BBQ Contest Conflict of Interest?

[Muzzlebrake]

the internet is SO cool....:biggrin:

>but if Pepsi is running a contest to send someone to the Super Bowl not only is that guy ineligible, so is his whole

Because they're PAID to work for Pepsi. BOD's aren't paid. Who would serve on the
BOD, unpaid, if not a cook or judge?

> That's how it is everywhere you look.

Yes, if you're looking into the ranks of paid employees. .

their families aren't, yet they are just as ineliglbe

Apples and Oranges.

That is simply because that person can influence the outcome.

Simply can not happen in KCBS or FBA contests.

When that BOD member is competing, they are simply a team who paid to be there, just like everyone else.
They have no special standing or influence--just that simple.

TIM

If I am to believe the Pepsi bottlecapper's 12 year old son has sway over the outcome of a national promotion, than am I really supposed to think that an officer of a national organization at a local contest or a sponsor of a contest competing in that contest can't have any effect?

Tim, you are a judge, but by KCBS rules you couldn't stop by and have breakfast with Rub on turn in day if you were judging.... why? I doubt that would have any impact on the results, certainly no more than you could have figured out if you had lunch the day before. its more than likely done to prevent the idea of any impropriety.

 

[Bastey Boy]

Tim, you are a judge, but by KCBS rules you couldn't stop by and have breakfast with Rub on turn in day if you were judging.... why? I doubt that would have any impact on the results, certainly no more than you could have figured out if you had lunch the day before. its more than likely done to prevent the idea of any impropriety.

Yes, I believe that is simply to remove any implications of impropriety.

 

[Skip]

Can't anyone (not just a BOD member) do that?

Yes but can just anyone have enough of a relationship with the rep to assure its placement? Or assure the judging table?

Of course this is all wild conjecture and would probably never happen. It was, however, posed as a question of how and I came up with what I feel would be the only way for it to happen. Do I think anyone in the FBA would even think of it. NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. As a competitor I know the standard I hold myself to and haven't yet found someone who's integrity falls below my own. The BOD, organizers, reps, competitor and judges I know are some of the most respectible people I have ever met. We all take this very seriously and those who don't won't last long.

 

[Skip]

Or some of the folks that have run the FBA are damn good cooks. What is more likely?

I don't have to guess that one. I know one personally and he cooks circles around most I know on his bad day.

Again this thread took on a life of its own as I typed my fun little response which then landed smack in the middle of a debate I sdidn't see coming. The thread got serious fast and my humor was lost in that.

 

[Lakeside Smoker]

Yes but can just anyone have enough of a relationship with the rep to assure its placement? Or assure the judging table?

Of course they could.
Just because you're on a BOD with someone doesn't mean they're all friends.

 

[Scottie]

As a competitor I know the standard I hold myself to and haven't yet found someone who's integrity falls below my own. The BOD, organizers, reps, competitor and judges I know are some of the most respectible people I have ever met. We all take this very seriously and those who don't won't last long.

I play the same way. I play by the rules that pro golfers go by. Police yourself....

 

[Smokin' Gnome BBQ]

I am on the BOD for Harrisburg PA, I also compete in Harrisburg. I am there to help the others see from a teams point of view. I think it helps bring things to light that may get missed if it was just a bunch of "money men" planning a comp. I personally would be ashamed to find out if someone shirked the rules because they new I helped plan an event.

 

[Bastey Boy]

Of course they could.
Just because you're on a BOD with someone doesn't mean they're all friends.

Aint that the truth!!!!! :lol:

 

[G$]

Last weekend, Foirrest (FBA Vice Pres.) took GC to my RGC by about 4 points.
The "conspirators" cut that one really close!
I guess the "vast conspirancy" is sloppy to let that happen

No Tim, it just shows how darn GOOD those conspirators are. Very accurate. :lol:

 

[ThomEmery]

The first cook off I organized my Son won the RC
I was scared to death he was going to be the Grand Champion
and.......................

 

[Smoke'n Ice]

If I did not trust the process, I would not compete. It is a hobby! When it becomes a business, then we would advance to a paid BOD, judges and reps. In the mean time, it is an amature sporting event that draws from all cross sections of life and yes, some may be crooks but they won't last long. Which are you?
Mack

Smoke'n Ice
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WSM (5)
Pitts & Spitts
Klose Pit
Original Kamato (45 years old and still working)
and other miscellaneous junk for making meat taste Good????

 

[smokincracker]

WHAT A CROCK OF SHiiiiiiiiiiiiT

O man all this time I was under the impression that I was FBA Vice-President 2008 and 2009. WTH am I spending all this time doing. I figured as long as I was an FBA officer I would continue to squeak out a win now and then…..and the pay is awesome!! Can you image the conflict that Reps must have…. President?, Vice-President? ETC? ETC? Who’s gonna win this week…What a CROCK

Let’s look at the facts 4 KCBS contests in FL 2 won by a FBA BOD, 1 won by a former FBA BOD. Then we move into GA. Then theirs the Royal! Perhaps the FBA BODs have the KCBS reps working for them as well.

You know the worst part of this thread is 90% of the guys chiming in have no idea how the process works and will never take the time to get involved and find out. ARM CHAIR SMOKERS…..

Please make a rule that would make it a conflict of interest then I’ll have an extra 15-20 hrs a week to run my own business. O wait I can’t do that because the people that do all the b;;tchin are too damn lazy to get involved.

I’m done here

 

[The_Kapn]

Jimmy,

I got in a hurry and screwed up your position.

Sorry.

Are we still friends ??

See ya at Perry.

TIM

 

[JD McGee]

Can anyone explain to me how a contest could be rigged to favor a BOD member?
Or, any team for that matter.

Just curious.

TIM

Easy...just use psychics...duh! :twisted: This thread is cracking me up.:lol::lol::lol:

I was asked by the president of our local BBQ association to run for the board. If I do I'll still compete (pretty much all the board members do)...if we win...people will just have to get over it because we plan on winning a lot!

 

[Rookie'48]

Judges fraternizing with contestants on turn in day is a big no-no. The judge would be sent home.

Blind judging is far from loosely defined. The KCBS reps do a great job of assuring no one gets an unfair advantage. Double blind, really.

Each team has a way they like to build their box ... Do I know who's hit the table? No. If the box is so clearly defined then it will be DQ'ed for marking. In a heart beat!

Is there a possibility that a judge will find themselves on a table with food from a friend of theirs......Yes it is possible. Is it possible that they will then be able to identify it? Yes that is possible too. Is it possible that the judge will then compromise their integrity and judge up on the submission. Yes that is possible too.

But that hypothetical judge still has only one set of scores to give for any one entry. The other 5 judges at that table would all have to be "bought off" also!

Let’s look at the facts 4 KCBS contests in FL 2 won by a FBA BOD, 1 won by a former FBA BOD. Then we move into GA. Then theirs the Royal! Perhaps the FBA BODs have the KCBS reps working for them as well. Maybe it was the meeting for the Brethren picture at Todd's place Friday evening? :twisted:

You know the worst part of this thread is 90% of the guys chiming in have no idea how the process works and will never take the time to get involved and find out. ARM CHAIR SMOKERS…..

I don't know if your % are exact, but in general I agree, Jimmy!

I think that this whole "rigging" thing is Bull Sh*t!

I've highlighted in red the pertinent info in my opinion. My answers are in blue. By the way ... I do not compete but I do judge (12 comps this year) and I'm friends with a lot of the cooks. I visit on Friday night, wave "hi" as I go by on Saturday morning, and have a cold one or two with different teams at the awards in the afternoon. In three years of judging almost 30 contests not once has any one even attempted to influence my judging. NOT ONCE!

OK - off of my soap box now.

 

[Jeff_in_KC]

Please let me apologize if I have implied that I thought anyone was cheating, that is not my intent and am sorry if anything that I have said was interpreted so. I was just using the Rub example that had been previously posted, to make a counterpoint, I was in no way trying to say he is a cheat in any way shape or form. Sorry



I don't know how anyone can, any more than I think the guy putting caps on bottles rig a contest, but if Pepsi is running a contest to send someone to the Super Bowl not only is that guy ineligible, so is his whole family. Thats just how it is everywhere you look.
Google contest rules and let me know how many results you find that don't contain a phrase similar to the one I have posted. You aren't going to find many if any at all, organizations that allow directors, organizers, sponsor or officials paid or not to compete within their own organization, it just does not happen. The overwhelming vast majority go to great lengths to ensure that anyone even remotely involved with the parent organization in any way is excluded from competing.

Sean, again, these are volunteers you're talking about, not employees like Pepsi, NASCAR, etc. Show me where it says volunteers can't compete or enter contests.

 

[HoDeDo]

I disagree with just about everyone here. I think that officials, organizers and sponsors should be barred from competing in contests that they have duties other than being a competitor.
I don't care what contest/raffle/sweepstakes whatever you "compete" in you usually will find wording such as " Employees of company X, its contest sponsor, advertising and promotional agencies and their respective affiliates and associates and such employees' immediate family members and persons with whom such employees are domiciled are excluded from this contest. ".
Its standard language in just about all contests, why is ours different? Would we allow Tony Stewart to be on the board of NASCAR or A-Rod be allowed to hold an office in the American League office? I don't think so.
If all of the things that everyone has said about any anonymity holds true why is there a rule about the judges staying away from teams? if the blind judging serves to keep sponsors, directors and organizers anonymous, why doesn't it work for the team a judge had breakfast with?

So to use the pepsi example... Pepsi is running the contest... KCBS (or FBA) or any of these organizations do not organize or run contests. they simply sanction them, and then provide oversite of the rules...A paid service. The organizers of each event, or the benefactor of the event (March of dimes, Rotary, K of C, etc)usually work together to run it. they are responsible for prizes, judges, scoring, etc. The KCBS board has no say at the contest level. they are selling sanctioning to the contest. they are paid by the event to provide the service. If anything they are there to protect the cooks and ensure that an event is living by the rules.

I think the fact here is that some of the best cooks happen to also be those that are most passionate about thier hobby, and support the boards of thier parent organizations. I think that is needed for the members... I also think that organizers and events control who thier judges, and support staff are, not KCBS... so there is not a conflict.

Or some of the folks that have run the FBA are damn good cooks. What is more likely?

Hey Cracker only took RESERVE Grand, at the Royal... :twisted:

O man all this time I was under the impression that I was FBA Vice-President 2008 and 2009. WTH am I spending all this time doing. I figured as long as I was an FBA officer I would continue to squeak out a win now and then…..and the pay is awesome!! Can you image the conflict that Reps must have…. President?, Vice-President? ETC? ETC? Who’s gonna win this week…What a CROCK

Let’s look at the facts 4 KCBS contests in FL 2 won by a FBA BOD, 1 won by a former FBA BOD. Then we move into GA. Then theirs the Royal! Perhaps the FBA BODs have the KCBS reps working for them as well.

You know the worst part of this thread is 90% of the guys chiming in have no idea how the process works and will never take the time to get involved and find out. ARM CHAIR SMOKERS…..

Please make a rule that would make it a conflict of interest then I’ll have an extra 15-20 hrs a week to run my own business. O wait I can’t do that because the people that do all the b;;tchin are too damn lazy to get involved.

I’m done here

Jimmy, I plan on coming to cook an FBA event, I would hope I get to cook against you, Tim, and Rub.

BTW - I am not sure where this got twisted up... but I have read through this thread twice, and I can't find where anyone accused Rub of anything. Tim actually used him as an example to prove the opposite. Scottie... go back and re-read.

 

[Plowboy]

Andy, congrats on the Yankees making the series. :wink:

 

[JD McGee]

Andy, congrats on the Yankees making the series. :wink:

WooHoo...Go Phillies! :twisted:

 

[HoDeDo]

Andy, congrats on the Yankees making the series. :wink:

Royals weren't gonna get there... Go Yankees!