Dallas, I know you're not calling me out and I don't mind a bit in the world telling you why I feel that there should be a closed part for organizers only. And you know me well enough to know that everything I do in the way of organizing is with the best interest of the cook in mind. I am a competitor as you know and I am in constant communication with other teams as you also know. I don't need to go to an organizer forum to know what the teams want and expect.
First let me tell you what my preconceived idea of this new forum is and what I expect to gain from it. My concept of the organizer forum is where I'm going to learn about which CBJ's, teams, sponsors and even reps are creating problems that could jeopardize the success of my event. These are all internal issues that the teams do not need to be aware of and can most likely be avoided all together with a heads up from other organizers.
I am not trying to keep the cook out of the loop but rather trying to foresee and prepare for any problems that might take away from their overall experience at my event. We had several major issues at Kettering last year that hopefully nobody outside of the committee knew about. We dealt with these issues quickly, quietly and effectively in order to minimize the impact they might have had on the overall event. These were not things that the teams needed to know about as they were all internal issues. If they would have gotten out of control, the teams and probably everyone else would have known about them and it would have had a direct effect on our success.
The other reason I voted for a closed forum was to crush Scottie's dreams.
BINGO.. you have said it eloquently and decisively. Much better than my rant below which i babbled out at 4am this morning. But i will post it anyway..
go get a beer or cup of coffe...
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I’ve been reading every perspective and I knew some would see this as an ‘exclusive club’ type thing. That is why I posted the question publicly. To see the consensus. I have been down this road before, when our competition forum was created and a few felt it would fuel the ‘us and them’ mentality. I assure you all that is not the case and this is to further help those that are trying to get into organizing contests. This would not only benefit all the teams, but if it does work out, and encourages more people to organize NEW contests, in new areas, we have now made more competitors. Those that have never competed, to have a local contest that was not there last year to try it out. We are about the growth and promotion of BBQ. Not dividing.
Anyone who knows this forum, knows we are big on 2 things. Open flow of communication and helping each other out. Our charter is the promotion of BBQ. Backyard and Competition. I would not allow anything to happen that I feel would divide or hinder the growth of our craft. We have a few organizers here who have asked me for a place where they can tap each other’s resources and share knowledge. We also have new organizers looking to us for help. I see this as an opportunity to extended services provided by this forum all in an effort to help the overall picture. If we create or bring more organizsers here, we will have better insight and possibly input inot our own contests.
As I see this, my intention is to give our organizers:
- A comfortable work area while in the early stages of contest planning where knowledge is centralized and has easy access to experienced resources.
- A place to canvas teams for input out front, and then take it back to the work area.
- This will be a place to quietly work thru problems before they become real problems and enlist other organizers for help. Sometimes having the public involved too soon makes matters worse. Things need to be worked out before going public with half assed information.
- A place to rant and cry and freak out
I am hoping it will help organizers to improve communication among themselves, learn from each other mistakes and successes, work through problems quickly and quietly,
and to help new organizers get things rolling. It will be for existing and experienced organizers AND those interested in organizing a contest. It is
by all means a vehicle for new organizers to tap the knowledge and resources of experienced ones. This will not only let the new guy learn from others mistakes before making their own, but help experienced organizers get through problems faced mid stream. Maybe later, as we see how its going, this can be extended to ‘volunteers’. Teams or people who are interested in HELPING organizers get things going at local venues thru contacts and local area knowledge. I also think it should be open to the REPS also. What we
are looking to avoid is open and superfluous chatter in the early stages when organizers are working under unknowns and restrictions that are not public knowledge and public input will just makes things difficult.
It is not meant to replace open discussion in the competition forum, and if it goes down that path, moderators will request the conversation go outside to the public areas. The intention is to give them a place to work, and utilize the expertise and experience of other organizers for common and specific issues and challenges.
Lets face it, they need a place to work quietly. Some things are better handled quietly, quickly and decisively and NOT PUBLICLY. It is meant to give the organizers a place to do
their jobs. Jobs they would normally do offline without having easy access to the help of other organizers. This is place they can go to for help for specific problems, or for ideas to face new challenges that others already experienced. I have seen it many times in this forum and others, that an organizer needs a place to discuss things without fear of being hammered for glib decisions, when final ones have not even been made. How many times have we seen contests announced publicly too early, and as things change the organizer gets their arse reamed out by half the planet.
This concept area is just the quiet private office to collect their thoughts and possibly have those helping out utilize the forum. No organizer, is going to publicly engage their organizing team in our public Competition forum and say, Joe, what is the status of the generators and water? Or BillyBob, has the governor proclamation come in yet,? And who is taking care of getting the porta potties? Arlie in TN, can help Joe out with a better portapottie company in KY, Merl can point out issues with the generator company Arlie is using.. etc… it is a cross reference and sharing of knowledge. I see discussions along the lines of contest security, sanitation, electric, water, volunteers, how to get support at the venues, costs associated with all of the above, etc.. these are things that all have to be put in place
before even thinking of inviting anyone. From this back office discussion, they now have an easy path to say, “lets ask outside!” and now yes, thru a simple post or poll, we, the cooks and teams may be able to help and offer
constructive input. But now, the organizers are not enlisting us for that. Having central location for both sides of the organizing table may help them work things out, AND INVOLVE US.
This is an expansion opportunity to allow all of us access to the other side of contests, many of us(teams), knows what it is like from the judging table, but are clueless from the organizers perspective. Attracting organizers, giving them a work area where they are comfortable, and at the same time access to us(the teams), may encourage them to get us more involved in our own contests.
I hope this clears up our perspective on what this can be. As you can see, it is not meant to separate, divide, or isolate. And if it does, it goes away. This may even already be in place somewhere else and we are not aware of it. Its not a new idea, I know that. From our perspective here, it is meant to help our organizers, to attract more organizers, give us more contests, and access to more information.
Sorry for the long rant, and scattered thoughts, but IMHO, I think this can work out and the more I thought about it, see it as a pretty good idea.