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The most important thing you can do is first to give yourself an education on what all those acronyms mean and how they apply to your truck/trailer combination. Knowing exactly what your weights are and what equipment may or may not help you out will go a long way towards your safety and how hard you need to hit your wallet. Opinions are worth exactly what you paid for them. Knowing for a fact what the numbers are that apply to your rig is worth FAR more.

Buying a weight distributing hitch that is much too big is almost as bad as buying one that is too small (or none at all).

Find a weigh station that you can spend a little while making some measurments. Some truck stops will have one, moving/storage companies will probably have one. Talk to the manager there and tell them what you want to do. Chances are since you don't need a certified weight, they will let you take your measurements for free.

Start off by weighing your truck with a full gas tank and maybe even the stuff you're going to carry in the bed. Remember, when the truck was new they didn't include all the stuff that gets loaded in afterwards (people, topper, hitch, tools, cookers, coolers, etc.).

Then weigh your trailer (by itself) with all of your stuff loaded on. Then weigh the tongue of the trailer (with the trailer wheels off the scales). Then weigh the entire rig in full competition trim.

At that point you now know for a fact what you GCWR, Tongue weight, and axle weights are and can make intelligent decisions about a weight distributing hitch and whether or not you are violating any of the specs.

Verifying that you are within the truck and trailer weight specifications will go a long, long way with your insurance company if something bad happens. If they find out that you violated say GCWR, then you open yourself up big time to liability.

One other thing is, Are ALL of the tires on your truck AND trailer rated for the weights your putting on them? Fastest way I can think of to get yourself on the side of a highway is to try to run on under-rated or underinflated tires.

Whether or not you need any of the extraneous equipment (tranny cooler, bigger radiator, wind deflector, etc.) is dictated by how your rig runs down the road. But just remember, NONE of those items will add ONE SINGLE POUND OF WEIGHT to your GVWR, GCWR, or any other specification. They may make towing easier or cheaper but they can't change the original specs.

Sorry, didn't mean to get long-winded but it really torks me when I see a rig on the highway that is very obviously way out of spec. I'l get off my soapbox now.

Russ
 
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One other thing I should mention is that (in Iowa) you register your pickup for xxx tons. Most folks just go with the basic 3 ton registration and call it good, thinking that they will never haul anything over three tons. What the registered weight really covers is the total weight of the truck, trailer & load - your GVW in other words. If a cop wants to put your rig on a scale and you're not registered for that much weight it can get a tad pricey.
 
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Thanks to everyone for the replies! I found what I think is a winner tonight...."1999 Ford F-250 Super Duty XLT Supercab 6.8 10 Cyl. Electronic Fuel Injection Gasoline".

Does this sound sufficient? They were closed so I couldn't open the door to see the tag etc. Thanks again for all the help!

I found this...

http://pages.swcp.com/pcaskey/ford-towing.html

It looks like the only differential available then was 3.73. Towing capacity is shown as 13,100 and GCWR (combined weight of truck and trailer) is 20,000. The truck GVWR is listed as 8,800 and the trailer GVWR is 11,000, so even if both were loaded to the max you would be at 19,800.

It should be able to handle it without a problem.

Verify that it has the trans cooler. If it has a tow package (which I think is part of the Super Duty package) it should. You'll still need a good WD hitch with sway control. I have the Reese Dual Cam and it works great.
 
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Thanks again all.

Ron thanks for digging that up. It does have a tow package and I will be getting the sway hitch/bars with the trailer.
 
Don't worry about the V10, it will pull fine. It does get hungry (I got 9.4 last weekend in the Ozark mountains). If your gonna drive it every day a diesel may be worth it, but repairs do get pricey. DO go have the exhaust manifold bolts checked on that V10. They corrode easily and are a beotch to replace.
 
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I was looking through some old threads but became overwhelmed so thought I would just ask again.

I'm buying a 24' Forest River Work & Play toyhauler for competitions. The tag on the trailer has a GVWR of 11,010. Can I realistically and safely pull this with a 3/4 ton truck? A friend swears I need a v10 or diesel to pull it.

I am clueless when it comes to these things. Does the 11,010 account for an empty trailer or something different? :icon_blush: Thanks!!

Hello Pat;
Towing is what I do, and have for over 35 years... I run tow trucks...
With that said, if you can give some more "specs" on the truck, and actual wieght AND setup of the trailer, I can and will give you an actual and legal answer to your questions on it... Like I said, I have over 35 years in the towing and recovery business.
 
Hey Harold - Since towing is what you do how do you feel about the plethora of 1/2 ton trucks I see towing trailers and campers, all using equalizer hitches, and all on the ragged edge of the GVWR? I have an F150 that will technically pull my 9500# comp rig, but I pull it with an F350 dually because I don't want it to push me into harms way during a panic stop.
 
30' 5th wheel with Lang 84 in tow behind ram 1500 from SD to TN and back. No problems 10.5 mpg. I'd like a bigger truck but its just not in the cards right now.
 
A Lang's a pretty easy load to tow; moderate weight and very little wind resistance compared to an enclosed trailer. Your Ram should have no problem there other than MPG, but that's par for the course.
 
Based on my truck ... don't buy a Dodge Hemi 2500 with a 3.73 rear end. If gas, make sure it has the 4.10 rear end.

With my set up 4x4, QC, short-bed is only rated to tow 8,800 ... and I think that number is generous. Sure it pulls that (our Q'chin weighed in at 9,000), but it sucked something horrible. Our current trailer weighs in around 7,000 with all our gear it's better but it's still working the engine and transmission. Depending on the terrain, I'll sometimes lock it out of OT to keep it from shifting (gas is still cheaper than a new transmission)
 
A Lang's a pretty easy load to tow; moderate weight and very little wind resistance compared to an enclosed trailer. Your Ram should have no problem there other than MPG, but that's par for the course.

That Lang was behind the 5th wheel that was behind the Ram (2 trailers). Still a pretty easy tow though.
 
Based on my truck ... don't buy a Dodge Hemi 2500 with a 3.73 rear end. If gas, make sure it has the 4.10 rear end.

With my set up 4x4, QC, short-bed is only rated to tow 8,800 ... and I think that number is generous. Sure it pulls that (our Q'chin weighed in at 9,000), but it sucked something horrible. Our current trailer weighs in around 7,000 with all our gear it's better but it's still working the engine and transmission. Depending on the terrain, I'll sometimes lock it out of OT to keep it from shifting (gas is still cheaper than a new transmission)


I agree, I had a 1/2 ton dodge with 3:55 rear end, sigh( I know I know) I wasnt towing when i bought it... and it sucked bad to tow with, it was listed at like 7500 and i wasnt towing 1/2 that and it sucked....
 
The stamped tow weights on a vehicle have less to do with safety and more to do with warrantees.

Ya, until you get in an accident.

The GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating) of the trailer and the truck should never be over the rated combined weight amount for the truck or you risk a ticket and fines...even if the trailer ISN't loaded to capacity. The fact that it COULD be is enough to get you in trouble if you get pulled over. If you are in an accident, and you are over the rated weight, you will be ticketed and your insurance company might even decide not to pay the claim. (Insure the trailer, too, it's cheap. The tow vehicle coverage gives you liability coverage on your trailer, but not collision. Don't find that out the hard way.)

As another poster stated, transmission coolers, oil coolers, springs, brake controllers, etc. make it easier to tow, but they do not change the GCVWR.

I went with a small single axle trailer behind my RV because that is what it was rated for. I would feel better with a double axle trailer because it's safer in the event of a trailer tire blow out, but all the double axle trailers would put me over the rated amount.

RV people recommend at least 1 Horse Power on your engine for every 100 pounds of weight being moved. (vehicle and trailer) It's not a bad guide to make sure you have the power you need. Both of my tow vehicles have digital proportional braking controllers - highly recommended.
 
As another poster stated, transmission coolers, oil coolers, springs, brake controllers, etc. make it easier to tow, but they do not change the GCVWR.

I went with a small single axle trailer behind my RV because that is what it was rated for. I would feel better with a double axle trailer because it's safer in the event of a trailer tire blow out, but all the double axle trailers would put me over the rated amount.

Exactly what Im talking about. It is about warrantees not safety. Your GCVWR is about our government getting their taxes.

safety first!
 
I pulled a 10,000 lb trailer for a number of years all around the country in my other sport. I used a Chevy 3/4 ton with the Diesel and never lacked for power and at times out here in the west pulling over huge mountains. The best hitch is a Hensley and don't think that a regular weight dist. hitch is the same. With the winds we get and the trucks wizzing past, there is nothing like the security of a Hensley. No more white knuckles when running across the plains with huge side winds. Expensive, but so is the trailer, diesel and the family.
 
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