Team of the Year Idea - What do you think?

[afreemaniii]

Why couldn't the TOY race be done using average performance and not a tally of points collected over the year? Yes, teams that compete 20-30 times a year will undoubtedly do well in a race where points are accumulated. And yes, those same teams may do fine under this idea, but it gives the smaller teams a chance.

Let's say I compete in 5 contests in a year and my finishes were GC, GC, RGC, 3rd, and 6th. That's a pretty damn impressive year and my average finishing spot 2.5.

Let's Team X competes 28 times and finishes 7, 4, 3, 1, 6, 3, 10, 4, 3, 13, 1, 10, 4, 1, 1, 6, 6, 1, 5, 6, 7, 1, 3, 1, 82, 5, 2, 4. Their average finishing spot is 7.14.

Yes, there could be other factors taken into play such as weighting the field so that a Smoke on the Water contest is worth more than a 15 year first year contest, but in the end you open the overall TOY contest to more teams that are still REALLY good, but don't have the time or money to compete every weekend.

Just a thought. Fire away at the idea and point out the flaws in my plan that I overlooked. There's bound to be one or ten.

 

[Scottie]

I don't think a team that only cooks 5 contests should be considered for team of the year... Let's face it. KCBS wants teams that cook contests. Not just 5, but as many as they can get teams to cook. I can see it as being 10 as the minumum, but 5 isn't going to fly.

As a cook, I wouldn't want a team that cooks 5 contests be considered team of the year. I want a team that is out there and competing. I guarantee you.. The system that they have in place, rewards the top team in KCBS. You can't tell me that Rod, Rob or Tuffy were not the best teams the last 3 years...

 

[Smokedelic]

Why couldn't the TOY race be done using average performance and not a tally of points collected over the year? Yes, teams that compete 20-30 times a year will undoubtedly do well in a race where points are accumulated. And yes, those same teams may do fine under this idea, but it gives the smaller teams a chance.

Let's say I compete in 5 contests in a year and my finishes were GC, GC, RGC, 3rd, and 6th. That's a pretty damn impressive year and my average finishing spot 2.5.

Let's Team X competes 28 times and finishes 7, 4, 3, 1, 6, 3, 10, 4, 3, 13, 1, 10, 4, 1, 1, 6, 6, 1, 5, 6, 7, 1, 3, 1, 82, 5, 2, 4. Their average finishing spot is 7.14.

Yes, there could be other factors taken into play such as weighting the field so that a Smoke on the Water contest is worth more than a 15 year first year contest, but in the end you open the overall TOY contest to more teams that are still REALLY good, but don't have the time or money to compete every weekend.

Just a thought. Fire away at the idea and point out the flaws in my plan that I overlooked. There's bound to be one or ten.

Using your example, and with all due respect, while you might feel that the 5 contest finishes you list is a damn impressive year, it doesn't hold a candle to the accomplishments of team X.

The thing that makes team X's accomplishments damn impressive is they've shown they can go out and be competitive almost every week of the contest season. It probably also means they've done well in different regions of the country.

Being consistently good, over that long of a stretch is, IMO, what makes a Team of the Year candidate. No slight to "the smaller teams", but to be considered a Team of the Year, you should be out cooking all year, or at least the vast majority of it.

 

[ThomEmery]

Yes best 10 maybe even more counting for the National is a given

 

[Jeff_in_KC]

Using your example, and with all due respect, while you might feel that the 5 contest finishes you list is a damn impressive year, it doesn't hold a candle to the accomplishments of team X.

The thing that makes team X's accomplishments damn impressive is they've shown they can go out and be competitive almost every week of the contest season. It probably also means they've done well in different regions of the country.

Being consistently good, over that long of a stretch is, IMO, what makes a Team of the Year candidate. No slight to "the smaller teams", but to be considered a Team of the Year, you should be out cooking all year, or at least the vast majority of it.

Mike, I think you nailed it with that post.

 

[JayAre]

I agree with most here on this one, the big guys are out there week in and week out...and should be the TOY, But it would be nice to give the smaller teams some sort of recognition for their accomplishments. So why not have an overall TOY as is now, then some sort of award for the 1-5 comps per yr team, 6-10 comps per yr etc. Best small team, or whatever you want to call it. If a small team gets best kcbs small team of the year award, wouldnt that inspire them to do more, which is promoting bbq and bbq contest?? I know it would.

 

[DawgPhan]

I agree with most here on this one, the big guys are out there week in and week out...and should be the TOY, But it would be nice to give the smaller teams some sort of recognition for their accomplishments. So why not have an overall TOY as is now, then some sort of award for the 1-5 comps per yr team, 6-10 comps per yr etc. Best small team, or whatever you want to call it. If a small team gets best kcbs small team of the year award, wouldnt that inspire them to do more, which is promoting bbq and bbq contest?? I know it would.

But that TOY doesnt just happen. Tracking all of that and having it be something that KCBS can promote requires effort, cash, people and time...is that something that KCBS is willing to take away from something else so that a few teams who cooked 4 or 5 contests in a single year can get a trophy a banquet they probably wont even attend?

There simply isnt any good reason to try and recognize a team that isn't cooking more than a dozen times a year.

 

[JayAre]

But that TOY doesnt just happen. Tracking all of that and having it be something that KCBS can promote requires effort, cash, people and time...is that something that KCBS is willing to take away from something else so that a few teams who cooked 4 or 5 contests in a single year can get a trophy a banquet they probably wont even attend?

There simply isnt any good reason to try and recognize a team that isn't cooking more than a dozen times a year.

I see and understand your point, but, without those 10 and under cooks, contest entries wouldnt be what they are...field fillers?? I dont think that term sets well with me, I work just as hard and spend just as much. I suppose the recognition at the comp is enough, assuming you do well, but I pay my kcbs dues like everyone else...:-D

 

[ThomEmery]

But that TOY doesnt just happen. Tracking all of that and having it be something that KCBS can promote requires effort, cash, people and time...is that something that KCBS is willing to take away from something else so that a few teams who cooked 4 or 5 contests in a single year can get a trophy a banquet they probably wont even attend?

There simply isnt any good reason to try and recognize a team that isn't cooking more than a dozen times a year.

I already have a funding source
for this idea
Clarification it is Best 5 scores not 5 contests
Anyone who could cook 5 contests and GC 5 times would most likely be cookin the National Pro ToY
Regional teams would probably end up cooking 12ish to get a very good best 5 scores. agreed?
Just as the National Pro ToY is best 10.... You know it takes way more than 10 cooks to win it

 

[DawgPhan]

I already have a funding source
for this idea
Clarification it is Best 5 scores not 5 contests
Anyone who could cook 5 contests and GC 5 times would most likely be cookin the National Pro ToY
Regional teams would probably end up cooking 12ish to get a very good best 5 scores. agreed?
Just as the National Pro ToY is best 10.... You know it takes way more than 10 cooks to win it

So if you are talking teams that are cooking 12+ contests each season you arent really talking about the lower end of the scale anyway. And I still think that it would be better to put any resources to use on the current system and just make that one work the way it should. Until the first system works correctly I have a heard time understanding why we would need a second system that does the same thing...you dont happen to work in the government do you? I kid I kid...

 

[ThomEmery]

No I own a trash company It is always in season
The system does work we just have to trust guys like the pickled pig to make it better
I am talkin best 5 scores It is up to them to make it happen as fast as that can be done
reality is it will take more than 5 cooks to score 5 great wins

 

[The Pickled Pig]

I think that anytime we find ways to recognize accomplishments we should do so. A piece of silk, a plaque, a public announcement are all cheap ways to give out recognition.

However, don't most regional associations already have points contests?

 

[ThomEmery]

Yes many do
The regions I am talking about are much larger than the present system
your right do not want to step on those long established association ToYs
This would be 5 or 6 across the whole country

 

[The Pickled Pig]

No I own a trash company It is always in season
The system does work we just have to trust guys like the pickled pig to make it better
I am talkin best 5 scores It is up to them to make it happen as fast as that can be done
reality is it will take more than 5 cooks to score 5 great wins

Thanks for the plug. :becky:

It might take all of 20 minutes to have a page up that ranks teams based on a max of 5 contests. But keep in mind there are a lot of teams that have 5 GCs. You could filter out any teams that compete in 10 or more contests.

 

[JayAre]

I already have a funding source
for this idea
Clarification it is Best 5 scores not 5 contests
Anyone who could cook 5 contests and GC 5 times would most likely be cookin the National Pro ToY
Regional teams would probably end up cooking 12ish to get a very good best 5 scores. agreed?
Just as the National Pro ToY is best 10.... You know it takes way more than 10 cooks to win it

Interesting for sure...

I was looking at the stats on pickled pig...there are only a hand full of teams doing 15 or more contests (39) the majority of teams are doing 5 and less contests...
1-5 contests = 4206 teams (2699 of those only doing one)
5-10 = 416
10-15 = 106
15+= 39

So if the teams that do the majority of the contests are not represented come end of year recognition, how much of the TOY is accurate?? (think Able Acres here, they have done 6 contests, and got 4 GC's, 2 RG's)

again, not saying the guys that do the high number of contests dont deserve TOY, just that teams that dont compete as much probably deserve something too. and for the record, I dont think I would be in any of those groups, Ive done 8 so far and have one more planned, still wouldnt be in the upper class of my "catagory" :wink:

 

[ThomEmery]

I am considering a run for the KCBS BoD
This is one idea to work to create a better KCBS for all teams
The top teams are doing well and rightfully so.... heck they can do even better in the future
The middle and the new teams be needin love also

 

[DawgPhan]

I can agree that KCBS could do a better job of spreading the love.

 

[indianagriller]

So no body thinks a team the cooks 6 contests and GC 4 RGC 2, could be considered TOY. That seems like a team that is pretty dominant. Are they TOY worthy?

 

[ThomEmery]

If they are the right wins
could be Brother
It is all in the numbers correct

 

[2Fat]

So no body thinks a team the cooks 6 contests and GC 4 RGC 2, could be considered TOY. That seems like a team that is pretty dominant. Are they TOY worthy?

Have never cooked with(or know of) the team you mentioned but imo the TOY is for those that prove themselves in different areas of the country cooking often--against the best most every weekend....can't be considered the best without singing in Carnegie Hall if you get my drift