Got my first "3"

[tonto1117]

We saw some weird scoring from a couple of judges - 7s, 8s, 9s and then a 5 or 6. In our case, not so good a cook, we probably deserved them.....but a 3 needs some 'splaining!!!

"Any given day, any given table"

 

[Gowan]

The table captain has no authority. When we act as table captains, we are there to assist the judges in following KCBS rules, ensuring that each judge writes the proper team number in the right place on the judging slip and plate, places the sample in the correct spot on their judging plate, circles the proper category on their judging slip, and that they have the correct table number.

It is not the table captain's job to ask for an explanation of the judge's scoring. That is the rep's responsibility, and since comment cards are voluntary, even a rep cannot require a judge to fill one out (though they can ask the judge, if that judge deigns to hang around after judging, WTF?)

That is true, but as TC part of your job is to make sure the cards are legible. If a judge turns in an ambiguous scrawl that could be either a "3" or an "8", it's our job as TC to confirm with the judge the intended score and make sure that score is recorded correctly with the Rep.

It's the Rep's job to double-check the results off the computer against the score cards when they see an odd score like Brew-B-Q received to rule out a possible data entry error.

It does seem like this was a case where a mistake was made, although we once received an intentional 3 in a field of 8s and 9s. The category was Anything But and the judge "hated salmon". Obviously he should have excused himself from the table, but instead he gave us the 3 that cost us first place. It sucks, but it happens.

I feel your pain.

 

[Just Smokin' Around]

I would guess an 8 may have been read incorrectlyas a 3. If the number was confusing in anyway, the table captain can ask the judge to make sure it it is clear. In any case, unless there was a tie, the judges score was thrown out as the low score. I'm not sure it being an 8, making it a 987, would have made it count over the 978. Still, difficult to understand.

 

[Stoke&Smoke]

There was some weird stuff going on for sure. We had no problems, our scores were fairly normal. But our next door neighbor had something like an 8 6 1 score on one of his meats, can't recall if it was pork or ribs.

I didn't think that was possible to get a 1 from a single judge, unless maybe it was raw meat or something:shock:

 

[Just Smokin' Around]

There was some weird stuff going on for sure. We had no problems, our scores were fairly normal. But our next door neighbor had something like an 8 6 1 score on one of his meats, can't recall if it was pork or ribs.

I didn't think that was possible to get a 1 from a single judge, unless maybe it was raw meat or something:shock:

A 1 is a DQ and can only be allowed by the KCBS Rep. Even if the meat is raw, it can only be a 2 (inedible), not a 1. If the judge did not get a sample because pieces were stuck together or there were not enough, then a judge would see a 111, but not a score in taste and a 1 in tenderness.

 

[Stoke&Smoke]

That was what I thought as well. I told him to write KCBS on Monday to see if he could get an explanation.

 

[dmprantz]

1 contest I did this summer I got a 2 in chicken. All others were 8s &9s. went to the rep and said it was raw. So could be that one piece was not good. comment cards would be good

Some one official (It may have been Merl) said recently that if a turn in receives a DQ or a 2 that the rep should verify and inform the team. He said that even for a 2, the rep will take the napkin used to perform the napkin test to the team to show them and prove that it was raw.

Obviously this was a 3 and not a 2, but I would think that with the disparity the rep would have been involved some how. Personally, I think the software should detect these kinds of potential errors.

dmp

 

[Brew-B-Q]

I requested a copy of the judge slip, and I'm told I'll get it in a few days. Sure if it was an 8 I would have moved up to 2nd place in chicken and gotten some extra $$, but that's not the point. I just would like to know if someone truly hated it that much. I still think that writing out three or four would eliminate any concerns about typos.

 

[musicmanryann]

I requested a copy of the judge slip, and I'm told I'll get it in a few days. Sure if it was an 8 I would have moved up to 2nd place in chicken and gotten some extra $$, but that's not the point. I just would like to know if someone truly hated it that much. I still think that writing out three or four would eliminate any concerns about typos.

Or having them circle a number as well. I remember there was a thread about a similar issue earlier this season at a comp in MO.

I have a statistical model which all my scores in to so I can track how I do on all three criteria, on all four categories as well as overall. I looked at the score sheet from Libertyville for about three minutes and thats all it took for me to decide that one would not get inputted. The scores were so erratic it was easy to see that it was an outlier. Straight 9's from a couple of judges, then 7's and 6's from a couple of others (even a coupla 5's). I am still relatively new to this, but I haven't seen anything like it by a long shot.

 

[Podge]

I do not understand the justification of a 3 in taste with a 7 in tenderness. In my experience, taste is not too far off from tenderness. I bet it was meant to be an 8.

 

[Divemaster]

I agree that it's more than likely an 8.

I also agree that my scores at Libertyville were not what I expected (except for the brisket LOL)...

 

[Bentley]

I did not read all the other posts, someone probably already said this...Did you ask the reps if that could have been an 8? I would have wanted to see the score card.

 

[stlgreg]

I requested a copy of the judge slip, and I'm told I'll get it in a few days. Sure if it was an 8 I would have moved up to 2nd place in chicken and gotten some extra $$, but that's not the point. I just would like to know if someone truly hated it that much. I still think that writing out three or four would eliminate any concerns about typos.

I dont know the difference between where you finished and where 2nd place was but after doing the math your score would have only imporved by 1.143. I highlighted the dropped score and the score that would have been dropped.

978 30.2856
889 33.1428
937 19.9996
889 33.1428
989 33.7142
987 31.4286

978 30.2856
889 33.1428
987 31.4286
889 33.1428
989 33.7142
987 31.4286

 

[Brew-B-Q]

Well I don't know for sure how it works, but I thought going from dropping a 3 (counting a 7) to dropping a 7 (counting an 8 ) in taste would give me 2+ points.

Do you drop the lowest total score, or the lowest score in each category, appearance, taste, and tenderness? I always thought, perhaps incorrectly, that it was the lowest score in each category, not the sum of the lowest scoring judge.

 

[musicmanryann]

Well I don't know for sure how it works, but I thought going from dropping a 3 (counting a 7) to dropping a 7 (counting an 8 ) in taste would give me 2+ points.

Do you drop the lowest total score, or the lowest score in each category, appearance, taste, and tenderness? I always thought, perhaps incorrectly, that it was the lowest score in each category, not the sum of the lowest scoring judge.

It is the lowest judges' score, not each category.

 

[The Virginian]

could be a keying error

Last year we took third in brisket and had a 929 for one of our score. I asked the rep to look into it, actually just hoping that there was a comment card. It was a keying error, should have been an 8, and we were quietly awarded 1st place after the fact, plus the additional $$. If award $$ is at stake, might be worth asking.

Brett

 

[Podge]

Last year we took third in brisket and had a 929 for one of our score. I asked the rep to look into it, actually just hoping that there was a comment card. It was a keying error, should have been an 8, and we were quietly awarded 1st place after the fact, plus the additional $$. If award $$ is at stake, might be worth asking.

Brett

Now That is scary !!!!:icon_sick ..

 

[dmprantz]

Earlier this year I was awarded third in ribs. Right after awards it was loudly announced that presenter misread and I should have been fourth, but I would get to keep the $$$ even though I offerred to return it. I asked to make sure I understood how I came in fourth, and as it turned out, the announcer was right all along and I got third. They never loudly announced that I was that good, but at least I got my check and the knowledge.

dmp

 

[Brew-B-Q]

Well, I got a copy of the score and it was a friggin 3, no doubt about it.

 

[Podge]

Earlier this year I was awarded third in ribs. Right after awards it was loudly announced that presenter misread and I should have been fourth, but I would get to keep the $$$ even though I offerred to return it. I asked to make sure I understood how I came in fourth, and as it turned out, the announcer was right all along and I got third. They never loudly announced that I was that good, but at least I got my check and the knowledge.

dmp

I think i have one that tops that story !!:icon_blush:.. Last year, at The Jack, while calling the top 10 in sauce, they announced 10th place as "Last year's grand champion....".. so, him having said that, my brother and i jumped up with excitement !! (who wouldn't ??).. my brother made the sauce from the ground up, and i was really happy he got that call for us. we ran up there, got the check, ribbon, pictures, etc.. then come to find out, they announcer was wrong.. I felt horrible for my brother, and for the team that should have to do that walk, pics, etc.. what a friggin' train wreck !!!! :icon_pissed:icon_pissed.. i'm sitting here getting pissed again just thinking about it !!!