Confusion with Appearance Scores (Or I hope you are as dumbfounded as me)

[stlgreg]

I agree, not fives or fours, but not nine's. Good advice on the putting green idea. I also think the ribs with the larger gap at the bottom is not very eye catching. Try going four over four next time, and get the grass in there tight. I looked at the meat first then the grass. I think the chicken looks pretty good. I can't tell, so maybe that's good, did you size them equally across rows? Meaning all of the same size in a row? Good luck. Scott

Yes we tried to size them together.

I made a horrible mistake on the way down - its only a 50 minute drive for me. I didnt put the parsley in a cooler. We lost so much that it was hard to fill the boxes. Michelle was nice enough to go to WalMart and buy what they had left and we were still short.

Even dunking it in ice water didnt help.

 

[KC_Bobby]

Now that you have seen teh pics would you believe this?
Chicken - 959887 - 5?
Ribs - 977478 - 4?

The chicken is not a 5 and the rib is not a 4 and I agree that they are out of line. However the average of the judges are:
chicken - 7.6666 (8.2 if the 5 was thrown out)
ribs - 7 (7.6 if the 4 was thrown out)

I feel when you average it out like that, the total app points are about right - the ribs may even be a bit high assuming the 4 was dropped. (Only seeing app scores we don't know which one was tossed.)

 

[motley que]

i dont know who it was - certified or not.
Brett you were there - how do those compare with what you saw? What would you have given them?

There were on average 3 cbj's per table. I tried to see what the non cbj's were scoring, but it was hard. Probably would have given 8's unless I knew it was yours, then 2's and 3's

 

[stlgreg]

Greg I feel your pain. It happened to me in Pork tenderness. I got 9,5,9,9,9,7. Now the rest of my scoring in the other categories I must say was the most consistent I have ever received. But I wish I would received a comment card on the 5. I'm curious if the rep even questioned it.

I guess I just deal with the fact that it's not a perfect system and keep pressing on.

After talking to them I can tell you no they didnt question anything. When i asked about comment cards or if anyone talked to the judge, I was told "No they cannot change the score"

They didnt even talk about comment cards. I was close enough that i heard the whole talk they gave to the judges. Tom was pretty upset comment cards were not made available.

 

[motley que]

i had one rib entry that was thrown in a box without any garnish and had a ton of sauce. We brought it to the table captains attention that it should be pooling and he took it to someone for clarification. was ruled not pooling. Crazy cause the captain thought it was also. dont know how anyone could have felt that it was that way. chit looked like chit

 

[paydabill]

I feel your pain brother - In ribs this last weekend we got a 6 - 9 - 8. The person did not like the look, but thought they were the best tasting things. The rest of the appearance scores were 8 and 9s.

 

[stlgreg]

i had one rib entry that was thrown in a box without any garnish and had a ton of sauce. We brought it to the table captains attention that it should be pooling and he took it to someone for clarification. was ruled not pooling. Crazy cause the captain thought it was also. dont know how anyone could have felt that it was that way. chit looked like chit

I had someone's entry provided to me earlier this year where the ribs were upsidedown. My first thought was they turned the box in upside down...ummm no, the garnish was in the right place. They just turned in them willy nilly upside down and one judge gave them a 9!

 

[motley que]

I had someone's entry provided to me earlier this year where the ribs were upsidedown. My first thought was they turned the box in upside down...ummm no, the garnish was in the right place. They just turned in them willy nilly upside down and one judge gave them a 9!

got one of those also, gave it a 6, and i thought that was generous

 

[stlgreg]

got one of those also, gave it a 6, and i thought that was generous

I heard someone did it at taylorville.
I wonder if someone is doing it on purpose.

 

[Bentley]

It may not be the judge. You were smart to question the rep. The 5 is harder to explain, but I wonder if the 4 could really have been a 9 and the person scoring read it wrong.

I have always wonder if a team is allowed to ask to see the score slip. By that time, awards are done an reps probably arent going to do anything anyway.

 

[stlgreg]

It may not be the judge. You were smart to question the rep. The 5 is harder to explain, but I wonder if the 4 could really have been a 9 and the person scoring read it wrong.

I have always wonder if a team is allowed to ask to see the score slip. By that time, awards are done an reps probably arent going to do anything anyway.

I really think there is a good possiblity that the four was data entry - handwriting problem, esp. since the issues these reps had the week before in Sedalia. I just dont trust their work.

The five could be for small pieces of chicken. Maybe the judge wants to see large pieces of chicken. I dont think that it is right to score that way but I think it is a possibility.

The four really makes no sense to me at all

 

[bignburlyman]

I thought the chicken looked good, would have scored at least an 8 by me, they may be small pieces but I liked the look. The ribs box looked unbalanced, too much green at the front. I'd say 7 scored from the pic.

David

Edit to add: I have input score cards for contests here, and have to say some people need remedial penmanship lessons, if the score is unreadable I will ask to have it confirmed before entry. But sometimes entry errors do occur, thats why I usually run the numbers in two different times.

 

[musicmanryann]

It may not be the judge. You were smart to question the rep. The 5 is harder to explain, but I wonder if the 4 could really have been a 9 and the person scoring read it wrong.

I have always wonder if a team is allowed to ask to see the score slip. By that time, awards are done an reps probably arent going to do anything anyway.

There was a thread that discussed this last week. Merl said it is allowed to ask to see the slips, but I believe he said he mails them once he gets home. Could be worng, but that is what I remember.

Overall though, if there was a mistake, or it was suspected there was a mistake in the data entry process, I know the reps or even the home office would investigate it and if there was an error, do whatever it takes to correct it.

 

[Brew-B-Q]

If penmanship is a concern, why don't they make slips that have 1-9 and you just put a check next to the number you want? I know the sheet would be larger, but it would eliminate any large errors.

 

[stlgreg]

I thought the chicken looked good, would have scored at least an 8 by me, they may be small pieces but I liked the look. The ribs box looked unbalanced, too much green at the front. I'd say 7 scored from the pic.

David

Edit to add: I have input score cards for contests here, and have to say some people need remedial penmanship lessons, if the score is unreadable I will ask to have it confirmed before entry. But sometimes entry errors do occur, thats why I usually run the numbers in two different times.

Thanks David. I thoguht it looked good too.

When I table captain, I always check the cards to make sure the scores are in line but also the numbers are readable. I would say at least once a contest i have to ask a judge what the number is. Rather sad.

 

[Brewmaster]

Maybe they need to go to a Scantron system. Fill in the little oval.

 

[stlgreg]

naw, lets use punch cards, that way we can blame the hanging chad.

 

[stlgreg]

Greg, Our chicken box must have hit the same table as yours.You have no 5 or 4 there at all, chicken 8, ribs 7.Michele told me late that morning that they had 100 % cbj's.
My chicken appearance ranged from 5 to 9. My last 4 chciken contest places are 8th ,3rd,7th, and pacific.....wait for it....37th..
You could tell the reps were lost just by the awards ceremony alone...sad..
I do think the organizer put on a fun contest though, except for the heat..

Hummm KCBS is listing 93% and I saw at least two CBJs that were acting as table captain instead of judging. So we had CBJs not eating so non-KCBS judges could eat.

 

[Bentley]

I saw at least two CBJs that were acting as table captain instead of judging. So we had CBJs not eating so non-KCBS judges could eat.

Seen that at more than one contest I have judged, never did get it!

 

[BRBBQ]

I agree, non kcbs judge. I judged a few comps last year that just found filler judges off the street. It's not fair to all teams.