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I have several kamado's and really think that bang for your buck the KJ is the way to go. Bobby Brennan has really outdone himself with the new 2017 models. The innovation puts them in the lead of the "big three" KJ, BGE and Primo.

New hinge system, vent cap (for cooking in rain), flexible cooking racks, new gasket and the newly designed firebox all in 2017 not to mention rotisserie.

I have upgraded to the Komodo Kamado and they are a very fine piece of equipment. They are the last cooker you will likely ever buy. Very pleased with them but you are stepping up in price range. If money not a huge concern, look at the 23" Komodo Kamado Ultimate. It is the best grill that I have ever owned, pure luxury
 
I have several kamado's and really think that bang for your buck the KJ is the way to go. Bobby Brennan has really outdone himself with the new 2017 models. The innovation puts them in the lead of the "big three" KJ, BGE and Primo.

New hinge system, vent cap (for cooking in rain), flexible cooking racks, new gasket and the newly designed firebox all in 2017 not to mention rotisserie.

I have upgraded to the Komodo Kamado and they are a very fine piece of equipment. They are the last cooker you will likely ever buy. Very pleased with them but you are stepping up in price range. If money not a huge concern, look at the 23" Komodo Kamado Ultimate. It is the best grill that I have ever owned, pure luxury

What do you like better about the KK than the BJ for a 3k increase in price? I've seen you praise the KK a lot and I may bite the bullet someday.
 
I don't have either of the discussed kamados; but I have a Vision S-Series Professional and a little knowledge of the Big Green Egg.

The Kamado Joe grills are beautiful and seem to get better and better when I look at them in the store. With the said, I don't know anything about their warranty service.

The Big Green Egg has a great reputation and a lot of people know it. I have a friend who hangs out at his local hardware shop that sells them A LOT. He hangs out there so much that they actually hung a sign for his stupid hybrid police vehicle (yes, he's rolling a hybrid RAV4 police vehicle) to hold his parking spot. He bought his Egg from them, and has sold a bunch for them to his friends and coworkers.

He is constantly on me about their warranty. If something breaks, go to their retailers and they will replace it. One of my friends had an issue assembling the his Egg's nest, and it dumped his BGE on the ground. The hardware store just replaced it.

So while I love my Vision Grill (it is awesome for the price!!!), I wish I had the flexability/peace of mind that the BGE gives you with warranty issues.

And I'd pick a Vision/BGE/KJ over a Primo Oval myself. Any grill accessory you'll want (grates, racks, rotisserie, stones, cast iron, etc) will be easier to shop for and cheaper for a standard size round grill.
 
About the BGE warranty. They were very good. Got a large in '02, had several replacements of the firebox as usual. At one point, maybe 2010, the paint started coming off, they gave me a new body. Roofers dropped a ladder on it and broke the top and the cap. But between all of this I was able to cobble together a complete additional BGE after spending a couple hundred on grates, and give it to a friend.

That's a warranty. (The roofing company paid for the top).
 
I have several kamado's and really think that bang for your buck the KJ is the way to go. Bobby Brennan has really outdone himself with the new 2017 models. The innovation puts them in the lead of the "big three" KJ, BGE and Primo.

New hinge system, vent cap (for cooking in rain), flexible cooking racks, new gasket and the newly designed firebox all in 2017 not to mention rotisserie.

I have upgraded to the Komodo Kamado and they are a very fine piece of equipment. They are the last cooker you will likely ever buy. Very pleased with them but you are stepping up in price range. If money not a huge concern, look at the 23" Komodo Kamado Ultimate. It is the best grill that I have ever owned, pure luxury



Agreed...they are the Mack daddy of kamado style cookers for sure. Built like a tank and the solid stainless steel mechanisms and grill grates are very nice. Not to mention stunning to look at


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What do you like better about the KK than the BJ for a 3k increase in price? I've seen you praise the KK a lot and I may bite the bullet someday.

The KJ is a fantastic product, nobody can deny that. The customer service makes it outstanding!

I remember always reading the hype from owners of the KK and just started looking into them one day. I tried to find a negative review on them and couldn't. No warranty complaints anywhere and I thought this is to good to be true.

I went through some fire bowl and other replacements with the KJ, and started to wonder more about the KK. This is a hobby and like most hobbies we want the best.

When I finally pulled the trigger I was all in and totally excited.

Cooking on the KK is an experience. These things cook without a doubt better than any other kamado that I have owned or operated.

The KK is built like a tank, refractory cement instead of ceramic, a two piece fire bowl to prevent fire bowl cracks, built in charcoal baskets (no need for a kick ash basket), the beautiful tile finish with all sorts of technology that reduces the heat from escaping the grill. I can cook pizza at 550 and put my hand on the outside of the grill without burning myself.

Top damper allows me to cook in any environment without having to worry about rain getting in.

The stainless grates are all oversized industrial strength. Everything is designed perfectly and when you see them in person you know exactly why they cost what they do.

As for the cooking, once I started cooking on them, I noticed several things.

The KK is designed with a firebox that forces air through the charcoal basket. With a standard kamado, the air flows in and if the charcoal is compressed in the bowl air may struggle to flow through the charcoal. Air can escape and flow on the outside of the fire bowl and out the top vent.

On a standard kamado I had troubles sometimes getting my temps up. This was because the lump was packed to much. It was recommended to place larger pieces in first to create air gaps to help with the air flow. Also this creates more air intake than required, ultimately this could affect the moisture level inside of the kamado.

With the KK, the air flows freely through the wire basket. Air flow has no where else to go as the kk fire bowl is wedged in the bottom. I found that the smallest setting can make a world of difference. Minimal air flow is required to obtain temps. With less air flow, my fuel consumption dramatically improved and the moisture level is unbelievable. I noticed immediately how moist the cooking environment was compared to my other cookers.

The design of the KK also creates an excellent vacuum. With minor vent sexting tweaks, I can dial the temp in 1 degree increments without problem. I have way more control over my temp and temp stability is amazing. The 32 KK has been tested with burning for over 80 hours on one single load.

Cooking on the KK, I learned two things that I absolutely love. I love the smoking on a kamado. I would set my deflectors and make sure that they were in the right place to ensure that the food didn't burn up on low and slows. I hated getting the deflectors dirty as the creosote would build up on them and require burn offs.

With the KK... they come with a large deflector stone, however, you don't need it. You can cook low and slow without a deflector. Simply place a piece of foil on the lower grate and put your food on the main grate and you have perfect smoking set up. I don't wrestle with stones and clean up anymore. They say because the fire to grate distance is further away than most ceramic kamado cookers you can afford to do low and slow without the stones. I love this!

Also, pizza setup is simple. I place the super thick baking stone on the upper grate and done. No set up with deflectors and air gap then pizza stone. I just add one stone and let it heat soak and done.

The second cooking feature I love is that I really don't worry about burning meat or flareups anymore. As was mentioned above, the fire to grate distance is greater, allowing me to cook without worry of burning meat. If I want to get close to the fire, I just put the food on the lower grate and done.

I use to always set up two zone cooking with deflectors, and now, I can cook 2 zone with just the lower and main grate.

Three levels of grilling come standard with the KK, opposed to 1 level on most kamados.

And the best part.... in all the reading and learning about KK, I have never seen a single warranty issue.

Is it worth it? I think so. But I chose the kamado style cooker as my preferred method of cooking. Some spend way more on offsets etc, but different strokes for different folks. If you are into the kamado style of cooking, honestly the KK is worth it.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa .... get rid of WSM for a kamado? I think you meant add a kamado to your arsenal that already includes your WSM. There you go, I helped you right there. Your welcome.

I have five eggs and a bubba keg. I doubt the KJ is much different than the eggs, pick your favorite color, and also base it on price. Now the bubba keg, that's an efficient machine right there. Sometimes I think too efficient. Fine grill but I find I use the eggs more. But my favorite smoker is the WSM. Food is better on it than on the kamado. Yep, I said it.

I agree.

I have a KJ Classic and two Smokey Mountains, a 22.5 and an 18.5. Hands down the WSMs over the Kamado Joe for smoking.

The KJ is however great for grilling. But I'd never replace a WSM with a Kamado for smoking.

That said though, I have been more than happy with the KJ. The warranty and customer service are outstanding, and the accessories which come with it are top notch.
 
The KJ is a fantastic product, nobody can deny that. The customer service makes it outstanding!

I remember always reading the hype from owners of the KK and just started looking into them one day. I tried to find a negative review on them and couldn't. No warranty complaints anywhere and I thought this is to good to be true.

I went through some fire bowl and other replacements with the KJ, and started to wonder more about the KK. This is a hobby and like most hobbies we want the best.

When I finally pulled the trigger I was all in and totally excited.

Cooking on the KK is an experience. These things cook without a doubt better than any other kamado that I have owned or operated.

The KK is built like a tank, refractory cement instead of ceramic, a two piece fire bowl to prevent fire bowl cracks, built in charcoal baskets (no need for a kick ash basket), the beautiful tile finish with all sorts of technology that reduces the heat from escaping the grill. I can cook pizza at 550 and put my hand on the outside of the grill without burning myself.

Top damper allows me to cook in any environment without having to worry about rain getting in.

The stainless grates are all oversized industrial strength. Everything is designed perfectly and when you see them in person you know exactly why they cost what they do.

As for the cooking, once I started cooking on them, I noticed several things.

The KK is designed with a firebox that forces air through the charcoal basket. With a standard kamado, the air flows in and if the charcoal is compressed in the bowl air may struggle to flow through the charcoal. Air can escape and flow on the outside of the fire bowl and out the top vent.

On a standard kamado I had troubles sometimes getting my temps up. This was because the lump was packed to much. It was recommended to place larger pieces in first to create air gaps to help with the air flow. Also this creates more air intake than required, ultimately this could affect the moisture level inside of the kamado.

With the KK, the air flows freely through the wire basket. Air flow has no where else to go as the kk fire bowl is wedged in the bottom. I found that the smallest setting can make a world of difference. Minimal air flow is required to obtain temps. With less air flow, my fuel consumption dramatically improved and the moisture level is unbelievable. I noticed immediately how moist the cooking environment was compared to my other cookers.

The design of the KK also creates an excellent vacuum. With minor vent sexting tweaks, I can dial the temp in 1 degree increments without problem. I have way more control over my temp and temp stability is amazing. The 32 KK has been tested with burning for over 80 hours on one single load.

Cooking on the KK, I learned two things that I absolutely love. I love the smoking on a kamado. I would set my deflectors and make sure that they were in the right place to ensure that the food didn't burn up on low and slows. I hated getting the deflectors dirty as the creosote would build up on them and require burn offs.

With the KK... they come with a large deflector stone, however, you don't need it. You can cook low and slow without a deflector. Simply place a piece of foil on the lower grate and put your food on the main grate and you have perfect smoking set up. I don't wrestle with stones and clean up anymore. They say because the fire to grate distance is further away than most ceramic kamado cookers you can afford to do low and slow without the stones. I love this!

Also, pizza setup is simple. I place the super thick baking stone on the upper grate and done. No set up with deflectors and air gap then pizza stone. I just add one stone and let it heat soak and done.

The second cooking feature I love is that I really don't worry about burning meat or flareups anymore. As was mentioned above, the fire to grate distance is greater, allowing me to cook without worry of burning meat. If I want to get close to the fire, I just put the food on the lower grate and done.

I use to always set up two zone cooking with deflectors, and now, I can cook 2 zone with just the lower and main grate.

Three levels of grilling come standard with the KK, opposed to 1 level on most kamados.

And the best part.... in all the reading and learning about KK, I have never seen a single warranty issue.

Is it worth it? I think so. But I chose the kamado style cooker as my preferred method of cooking. Some spend way more on offsets etc, but different strokes for different folks. If you are into the kamado style of cooking, honestly the KK is worth it.

Thanks bosco for the information. If I ever see one in person it might plant that seed in my head that I need to get one.
 
If you look at the KK forum there are owners that are listed in areas that you can contact to see one in person.

If you are ever in the Toronto area, I'll let you see them and even cook something to snack on while you are viewing them
 
I agree.

I have a KJ Classic and two Smokey Mountains, a 22.5 and an 18.5. Hands down the WSMs over the Kamado Joe for smoking.

The KJ is however great for grilling. But I'd never replace a WSM with a Kamado for smoking.

That said though, I have been more than happy with the KJ. The warranty and customer service are outstanding, and the accessories which come with it are top notch.


I completely agree.

I own a Primo and a WSM.

Dont waste your money on a Kamado if you are looking for a smoker or a grill for that matter, a Weber kettle is just as capable a grill
 
If you look at the KK forum there are owners that are listed in areas that you can contact to see one in person.

If you are ever in the Toronto area, I'll let you see them and even cook something to snack on while you are viewing them

Careful with that Bosco guy, once you see the KK you will want one of every size! :biggrin1:
 
I completely agree.

I own a Primo and a WSM.

Dont waste your money on a Kamado if you are looking for a smoker or a grill for that matter, a Weber kettle is just as capable a grill

I think that you are way off on your assessment personally. I call kamados the Swiss Army knife of BBQ. They can do everything well but there are other things that do it better. A WSM is a great smoker but that's about it. With a Kamado you can low and slow, grill and high heat cook.

I won't take anything away from the kettle but the Kamado is a superior grill to a kettle in every possible way.

I agree that a dedicated smoker is of great value, but to call it a waste of money is so far from the truth. I am not sure where you have drawn that conclusion from.
 
I think that you are way off on your assessment personally. I call kamados the Swiss Army knife of BBQ. They can do everything well but there are other things that do it better. A WSM is a great smoker but that's about it. With a Kamado you can low and slow, grill and high heat cook.

I won't take anything away from the kettle but the Kamado is a superior grill to a kettle in every possible way.

I agree that a dedicated smoker is of great value, but to call it a waste of money is so far from the truth. I am not sure where you have drawn that conclusion from.

You make good points above.

My experiences have been varied, and thus far, I have not not been fortunate enough yet to find the jack of all trades Swiss Army knife of BBQ.

However what I have found is that there are some cookers which are "good" at multiple things, but not necessarily great at that same number of things, or more things. There is some compromise with all of them.

Case in point, my Kamado Joe Classic. A great cooker for what it is.

For smoking however, the KJ vs my WSM, I have found that it is difficult to keep temps in the 225* range in the KJ, and sometimes even a struggle to keep it at 250*-275* because over time, the clay from which the KJ is made will heat up and hold heat. It's effectively a kiln. The interior of that Kamado gets hot, stays hot, holds heat, and allows heat to build up as that clay gets hotter.

Also I've discovered that butts and briskets that I have smoked in the KJ tend to be dryer than those smoked in the WSMs.

I do use water in my WSMs, and even went so far as to use a large cake pan with water in it in my KJ after repeated results of what was dry meat, and struggling to keep temps even in the 275* range in the KJ after it had been going for a while and the heat had built up in it.

This when it was practically new, and thus with new gaskets.

Now can I smoke in a KJ? Yeah, sure. But I've found that I get both moister and more consistent results in my WSMs for smoking, and better temperature control than in the KJ. Just better results to the point that I no longer even attempt to smoke in my KJ when I have two WSMs to choose from.

I've dried out a few briskets, butts and racks of ribs attempting to smoke in my KJ. Edible, but still not the best results that I have gotten. My best smoking results have been on my WSMs, this is why I would never get rid of a WSM for a Kamado if I were smoking.

Again though, that said, the right tool for the job. When I need to really bring the heat, such as for searing a steak, making pizzas, and such, I can't beat the Kamado, and especially not with my old Weber Kettle which is out of service now.

The above statement is why I agreed with the initial comment by cokingdude555 when he said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa .... get rid of WSM for a kamado? I think you meant add a kamado to your arsenal that already includes your WSM. There you go, I helped you right there. Your welcome.

I have five eggs and a bubba keg. I doubt the KJ is much different than the eggs, pick your favorite color, and also base it on price. Now the bubba keg, that's an efficient machine right there. Sometimes I think too efficient. Fine grill but I find I use the eggs more. But my favorite smoker is the WSM. Food is better on it than on the kamado. Yep, I said it.

I definitely agree with this.

I completely agree.

I own a Primo and a WSM.

Dont waste your money on a Kamado if you are looking for a smoker or a grill for that matter, a Weber kettle is just as capable a grill

The only reason, or I should say the biggest reason that I have seen for my KJ was for when I really wanted high temps for searing steaks and such.

Using lump charcoal, I eventually, and it didn't take me long to do it, cracked the enamel and did some other damage attempting to bring my now retired Weber Kettle to temps approaching what can easily be obtained in a Kamado. I was pegging the stock lid thermometer in the Kettle using the Vortex and/or using lump charcoal too beneath cast iron grates.

After a little while, and not very much of that, the Kettle had had it. Weber sent me a new lower section, but I never used it, because I bought the KJ.

So while I would agree don't waste your money on a Kamado if you are looking for a smoker. But for certain high heat grilling and searing chores, I don't think that a Kettle can match the high heat performance capabilities of a Kamado. Especially over time.
 
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It used to be, bang for your buck KJ all day, but I think they upped their pricing, have not checked on it. The key benefit, which you can also retro fit to a BGE is the deflector, or as BGE people call it, plate setter. Works with either one so it's a wash. BGE is weird to me, that triple legged hot spot creating deflector, where KJ has the simple disc with a half inch air gap on the outside edge. When KJ was first getting started, I had one of the first ones out here as I was doing bbq demos for a distributor in my spare time, my KJ was a rock star. In fact, I miss it quite a bit. It could smack down the BGE by $200 per unit, assembled.

That being said price aside, I would opt for a Primo oval just for the brisket fit these days. I remember smushing brisket into my KJ. Ceramic cookers are a must have for inclement weather, like here in the PNW. They are impervious to pretty much anything but drunk friends trying to push them across a lawn. I will be getting another ceramic for the yard once the patio project is done, for sure. KJ will certainly be a consideration.
 
You make good points above.

My experiences have been varied, and thus far, I have not not been fortunate enough yet to find the jack of all trades Swiss Army knife of BBQ.

However what I have found is that there are some cookers which are "good" at multiple things, but not necessarily great at that same number of things, or more things. There is some compromise with all of them.

Case in point, my Kamado Joe Classic. A great cooker for what it is.

For smoking however, the KJ vs my WSM, I have found that it is difficult to keep temps in the 225* range in the KJ, and sometimes even a struggle to keep it at 250*-275* because over time, the clay from which the KJ is made will heat up and hold heat. It's effectively a kiln. The interior of that Kamado gets hot, stays hot, holds heat, and allows heat to build up as that clay gets hotter.

Also I've discovered that butts and briskets that I have smoked in the KJ tend to be dryer than those smoked in the WSMs.

I do use water in my WSMs, and even went so far as to use a large cake pan with water in it in my KJ after repeated results of what was dry meat, and struggling to keep temps even in the 275* range in the KJ after it had been going for a while and the heat had built up in it.

This when it was practically new, and thus with new gaskets.

Now can I smoke in a KJ? Yeah, sure. But I've found that I get both moister and more consistent results in my WSMs for smoking, and better temperature control than in the KJ. Just better results to the point that I no longer even attempt to smoke in my KJ when I have two WSMs to choose from.

I've dried out a few briskets, butts and racks of ribs attempting to smoke in my KJ. Edible, but still not the best results that I have gotten. My best smoking results have been on my WSMs, this is why I would never get rid of a WSM for a Kamado if I were smoking.

Again though, that said, the right tool for the job. When I need to really bring the heat, such as for searing a steak, making pizzas, and such, I can't beat the Kamado, and especially not with my old Weber Kettle which is out of service now.

The above statement is why I agreed with the initial comment by cokingdude555 when he said:



I definitely agree with this.



The only reason, or I should say the biggest reason that I have seen for my KJ was for when I really wanted high temps for searing steaks and such.

Using lump charcoal, I eventually, and it didn't take me long to do it, cracked the enamel and did some other damage attempting to bring my now retired Weber Kettle to temps approaching what can easily be obtained in a Kamado. I was pegging the stock lid thermometer in the Kettle using the Vortex and/or using lump charcoal too beneath cast iron grates.

After a little while, and not very much of that, the Kettle had had it. Weber sent me a new lower section, but I never used it, because I bought the KJ.

So while I would agree don't waste your money on a Kamado if you are looking for a smoker. But for certain high heat grilling and searing chores, I don't think that a Kettle can match the high heat performance capabilities of a Kamado. Especially over time.


I am I agreement with many of your points as I stated above already. I call it the Swiss Army knife of BBQ because it can do it all. It does every good but as I mentioned there are other tools that do it better. It will smoke but I have seen its limitations as well. Using a pellet smoker these days has impressed me with its low and slow capabilities.

I like having the pellet smoker now and I love my kamados.... but I understand the right tool for the job concept more so lately. But to call a Kamado useless as someone posted above is outrageous.

I still think I'll try an offset one day...
 
If you asked me to pick one ceramic grill and accessorize it, it would be the xl big green egg. the xl egg lends it self to more set-ups than the others .....can do purdy much what bosco mentioned with his kk when it comes to cooking.

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If you asked me to pick one ceramic grill and accessorize it, it would be the xl big green egg. the xl egg lends it self to more set-ups than the others .....can do purdy much what bosco mentioned with his kk when it comes to cooking.

t

Can you elaborate on this? Just curious in what way it's more versatile then a Kamado Joe.

I have a L BGE and I'm looking to upgrade to an XL either BGE or Big Joe. Thanks
 
Can you elaborate on this? Just curious in what way it's more versatile then a Kamado Joe.

I have a L BGE and I'm looking to upgrade to an XL either BGE or Big Joe. Thanks

I think a view of tjv's company website will help demonstrate:

https://ceramicgrillstore.com

I have and love many of his items. I use them in my large BGE and bubba keg. The adjustable rig would technically work in my xl egg too. I just haven't bought the xl version, I have the older squaty xl BGE dome.
 
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