KCBS Intarnational Initiative will not include me

Scottie said:
Gowan, I've listened to both BOD meetings. Should Lohman have been voting on thos issue? I know the facts. these folks were voted in before anyone had a chance to apply or any discussion on their merits were discussed. As a member, how should i look at thosr issues or am i part of the misinformed?

Thanks
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That's terrific Scottie! I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one who listens to the BoD meetings.

You ask a valid question about the charter members of the International Team. It would be a good one to pose to the Board. Certainly I'm never qualified tell you or any other member how they should look at any issue. Nor is anyone else for that matter! My only hope is that folks will gather as many facts as they can before making up their own minds, and consider their data sources.

If you're asking my personal opinion, my guess is that since this group had independently developed an International Outreach initiative already and were offering to bring it "in-house" to KCBS that they assumed they would continue to be a part of the program as an official KCBS program. Of course that is only my deduction as to the motive - if you really want to know you should ring up Wayne or Bill and ask them.
 
Wayne's concern is that Ray represents Green Egg and has manufacturing connections. It sounded like to me that Don knew this wasn't going to happen because he mentioned the application of Ray's going in last month. Maybe something to do with the 72 hour rule last month which they did an override twice in the meeting. Tanna wanted it to go to closed session - she sounded a little ticked about the whole thing. My personal opinion, as someone who listened to the BoD, is that Ray got a bad shake. The old "let's be fair about it" doesn't seem to fair to me. But what do I know, I am only a newbie but in the short period of time I have paid attention, the politics run deep in KCBS!
 
There are a lot of people who deserve to go and maybe all that are going deserve it. If you take everything personal its never gonna be easy...
 
kihrer said:
Wayne's concern is that Ray represents Green Egg and has manufacturing connections. It sounded like to me that Don knew this wasn't going to happen because he mentioned the application of Ray's going in last month. Maybe something to do with the 72 hour rule last month which they did an override twice in the meeting. Tanna wanted it to go to closed session - she sounded a little ticked about the whole thing. My personal opinion, as someone who listened to the BoD, is that Ray got a bad shake. The old "let's be fair about it" doesn't seem to fair to me. But what do I know, I am only a newbie but in the short period of time I have paid attention, the politics run deep in KCBS!
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Lol I wouldn't expect a fair shake from Tana but the BGE thing is ludicrous. They're getting briskets from Snake River Farms and donated Rubs/sauces from people and there's bound to be some cooker involved.
 
Jacked UP BBQ said:
There are a lot of people who deserve to go and maybe all that are going deserve it. If you take everything personal its never gonna be easy...
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I am sure there are a lot of people who deserve to go - well maybe not a lot but several. What needs to be clarified for me is the true objective. I heard a bunch of talk about the Jack in the BOD. Why? Brown Foreman should pay for this initiative if all they are trying to accomplish is greater country representation at the Jack. Hell, they're loaded. Why does KCBS want to expand internationally? My guess is for more members and sanctioned events. Now if I am trying to accomplish that task, who do I want as an ambassador for BBQ. No doubt for me it would be Dr. BBQ. Why?

Take it from a newbie, when you are out there searching the world of competition BBQ, you are going to run across three prominent names: Chris Lilly, Miron Mixon, and Ray Lampe. Yes there are others but these are the names that are probably most recognized. Case in point, I just went through
that same search process not that long ago. I now own books by Lampe, Lilly, and Mixon. If I were told that any of them were going to be in my area, I'd come out to see them.

If I am KCBS and I am trying to grow the membership, and I just heard that one of the icons wanted to help out, you couldn't slow me down on how quick I'd be signing him up.

I'm not taking this personal beyond the point of being a voting member who thought the board did something really stupid. I will make sure my vote reflects that.
 
I love all the posters above that disagre with the fact that mr lampe has brought this up. Wouldn't you if your name was brought up in a vote??? I suppose you would all sit back and take it? Bull sh!t.

I am against the entire idea to begin with but don't see that it was in any way inappropriate for ray to bring this out in public. I think many board members, their friends, businesses have taken a free ride for far to long.

Signed
Not renewing my kcbs membership ( at least until they force me to when I sign up for next years SAMs club series events, then change the location, then charge me a fee to give me back my money)
 
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CivilWarBBQ said:
Despite the fact that both the November and December BoD meeting recordings were available for every member to review, it's painfully obvious that practically no one who has posted on this topic has taken the time to go to the source and get the facts. While that validates my original observation, it saddens me. How many people will vote in the upcoming election based on similarly skewed information?
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About 85%.

I can only find the Nov meeting on KCBS site, how do you pull up archives?
 
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Bentley said:
About 85%.

I can only find the Nov meeting on KCBS site, how do you pull up archives?
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Ahh, now there's a fair subject to gripe about! As far as I know, there is no archive available to the membership.

KCBS only keeps the most current recording available on the Website. Why so stingy given the rapidly falling cost of storage and bandwidth these days I have no idea.
 
CivilWarBBQ said:
Ahh, now there's a fair subject to gripe about! As far as I know, there is no archive available to the membership.

KCBS only keeps the most current recording available on the Website. Why so stingy given the rapidly falling cost of storage and bandwidth these days I have no idea.
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Why discuss this here Gowan? I'm sure if you emailed the board members directly they'd give you the real and honest answer. You're surely missing some facts that would clear everyone from any suspicion.

Sound familiar?
 
international BBQ classes

Having competed at The Jack for the last 2 years I have learned a lot. This year I finished 2nd of the European teams yet only managed to finish above a very few of the US and Canadian teams. It is therefore very clear we;re missing something! I think that there is a market for Competition classes here in Europe and several of the big name teams could easily fill classes [if they weren't stupidly greedy with their fees] and I'm sure that they would be well looked after
as there are many of us who would love to repay the fantastic hospitality we are shown each time we visit The Royal or The Jack. One of our greatest problems is the high cost of shipping which prohibits us from experiencing the wide variety of rubs and spices that you guys have. Maybe some of the manufacturers could look into ways of helping us by sending samples for instance. in return we could then help promote/ endorse their products through our own BBQ Associations. What we also lack is the experience of competing against you guys more regularly so I for one will be trying to raise the cash and sponsorship to spend 3 months Stateside competing in regional competitions. Never the less, I would like to say that the help and encouragement that I have received from Wayne and Bill and the International outreach team has been immense and for that I am very grateful. I look forward to meeting as many of you guys as I can next year in my quest for better BBQ.
 
drbbq said:
Why discuss this here Gowan? I'm sure if you emailed the board members directly they'd give you the real and honest answer. You're surely missing some facts that would clear everyone from any suspicion.

Sound familiar?
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Please stop Ray. You're only embarassing yourself.

If you really feel the need to continue, you can always answer the question I posed to you yesterday that you have not answered.
 
I guess the question I would like to ask Dr BBQ is, what would you like to have seen KCBS do differently? I reread your OP and I am not sure...I mean are you just ruffled that You did not get selected, or do you think the selection process was flawed? What should have been changed?

Harwell - Y, Lohman - N, Goycochea - Y, Shupe - N, Bigler - N, Bragg - Y, Lake - Abstain, Budai - N, Simmons - Absent, Kirk - Absent, Whitebook - Absent With (4) Nays, (3) Ayes and (1) Abstain. Motion failed.

Seems to me they took the vote knowing 3 folks were absent, why? Even the soft spoken, mild mannered person that I am might take exception to that. And why did one BOD abstain? As an almost 10 year Member of KCBS these are the question I find impossible to get an answer to and it just leads to apathy on my part and not wanting to participate with KCBS, other then to judge contests.

So, again, what sould the BOD have done differently?
 
drbbq said:
Well it looks like at least one event is already scheduled and is sponsored by Grill Dome which is a competitor of Big Green Egg. Probably just a coincidence though.

Last year I did organize the cook & judging class in the Netherlands. The Low & Slow BBQ team did the teaching. And they did huge job! with a lot of media attention. So American BBQ was wel promoted here.

As an organizer I did paid for everything because of that I have arranged locall sponsoring, also with Grill Dome as a sponsor for some cookers. It is just coincidence because I had the choice between Primo, BGE and Grill Dome. At the Dutch BBQ championship BGE is our sponsor partner, I am also a co-organizer of this event. So it is not about the brand of cookers.

It looks that is all about the money and about politics. But I know that is about the passion about BBQ and especially American BBQ Low & Slow. That is the reason why I organize this cook & judging class with the Tony Stone Low & Slow competition.

Like my friend from England already said: If we want te compete (like at the Jack) with American teams we need to practice more and learn more. To get a level playingfield. Because KCBS organize 350 competitions a year and there is none in Europe with the same set of rules. I would like to have more KCBS sanctioned compititions in Europe

If KCBS like to participate to expand this through their BOD decission. We entousiastic about this.

But I am funding my own event and I am happy that the Tony Stone Competition will be a KCBS santioned competition. And I if any American team will compete at this event we will give them them the same support and hospetality as we have get at the Jack.
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