KCBS Intarnational Initiative will not include me

[drbbq]

Some of what has been posted in this thread is accurate and some is not.

Once again people are jumping to conclusions because they have only learned fragments of the whole story and a handful of hearsay. If you actually listen to the discussion in the BOD tape you will have a much better understanding of the events, and if you have additional questions you should call Wayne Lohman and speak to him directly.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but it annoys me when people get up in arms over inflammatory posts without bothering to take the time to confirm the facts of the matter for themselves. This is exactly the sort of nonsense that creates divisions among the membership. All the energy taken up by these type of discussions acheives nothing but taking attention away from issues of true importance that need to be addressed within KCBS.

I gave my version. If you have other facts please share them or stay out of it.
You really think discussing this stuff is the problem? And not the actions? Really?

 

[Gowan]

Thank you, but no Ray. What you hope to gain by asking me to point out inaccuracies and omissions in your posts in public I cannot guess, but I don't play those games.

I merely suggested that people become fully informed on an issue before forming an opinion.

However, since you have chosen to address me here in this way, perhaps you will answer one question: Exactly how do you feel that your communication style and past history with the Board makes you a good choice to act as an ambassador for KCBS?

 

[drbbq]

Thank you, but no Ray. What you hope to gain by asking me to point out inaccuracies and omissions in your posts in public I cannot guess, but I don't play those games.

I merely suggested that people become fully informed on an issue before forming an opinion.

However, since you have chosen to address me here in this way, perhaps you will answer one question: Exactly how do you feel that your communication style and past history with the Board makes you a good choice to act as an ambassador for KCBS?

But how can we become fully informed if the people who "know" the facts, inaccuracies, and omissions won't share them with us? Once again please tell us the facts or stay out of it. Your vague references are just a smoke screen.

My past communication style with the board and my disagreement with a couple members shouldn't have them enforcing a vendetta against me if I'm a member and qualified for the assignment.

 

[timzcardz]

BOARD AGENDA - November 9, 2011

November 7, 2011


KANSAS CITY BARBEQUE SOCIETY
Board of Directors Meeting - November 9, 2011
AGENDA

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C. We would propose (reviewed and approved annually by the KCBS BOD) as a budget line item, for expenses that may be incurred (For example-possible costs for translation of any of our judge’s training and organizer manuals or costs for shipping the US rubs and sauces needed for classes).

To me this look like the introduction of a commercial product (marketing) to a yet untapped market on KCBS's dime.

Why wouldn't the first thought be to secure sponsorship to provide and ship rubs and sauces? Great expansion/marketing opportunity for the producer(s) and no cost to KCBS.

 

[Fat Freddy]

The reason I got into bbq at all was because of one person, Ray Lampe. I have never met the good doc or even talked with him, but I have seen him on TV and have bought several of his books. Since I have become a member of this forum I have seen DrBBQ post on here and help many people out and just discuss BBQ. I very seldom even see or hear anything from the other "legends" anywhere.

Only speaking for myself, but to me not using DrBBQ as an ambassador of BBQ is a mistake and all personal disagreements between Ray and members of the board should have never come into play if this is truly about what is good for KCBS

 

[Jorge]

Full Disclosure, for those that aren't aware: Ray is a personal friend of mine.

With that being out of the way....Purely in terms of marketing would a more well known cook, or cooks, be likely to lead to greater participation and possibly media coverage in Europe? Europe DOES have the internet, and they are actually very savvy about the use of it. Do you think Dr. BBQ, Chris Lilly, Adam Perry Lang (who spends a large part of the year in Europe the last I heard) for example would generate more interest and excitement via a Google search than Cook X? When presenting a subject matter expert it is kind of a big deal to have a resume to back that perception up. That's not a slam on the folks going to teach cooking elements in the program, and I've heard NOTHING negative about them. It's recognition of the fact that they aren't well known in this country to begin with.

I think the opportunity was there to getter a greater return on our investment.

 

[JD McGee]

I find it interesting that KCBS would be footing the bill for this program using my membership fees to teach overseas...how about spending the 10k up here in the Pacific Northwest...we're kinda like a foreign country when it comes to bbq...just sayin! :becky: Bummer Ray...their loss brother! :tsk:

 

[kihrer]

The reason I got into bbq at all was because of one person, Ray Lampe. I have never met the good doc or even talked with him, but I have seen him on TV and have bought several of his books. Since I have become a member of this forum I have seen DrBBQ post on here and help many people out and just discuss BBQ. I very seldom even see or hear anything from the other "legends" anywhere.

Only speaking for myself, but to me not using DrBBQ as an ambassador of BBQ is a mistake and all personal disagreements between Ray and members of the board should have never come into play if this is truly about what is good for KCBS

I have to agree with this. Not sure what kind of beef the BOD has with Ray, but I can't think of very many people who rank higher on the who's who of BBQ than DrBBQ. Especially for those of us who are new to competition and are trying to improve our game.

 

[Rookie'48]

Sooo, where's my KCBS class? I'm not Outside of the US, but I'm Outside of Kansas City - doesn't that count for something?

(please note that I AM being sarcastic here)

 

[Jeff_in_KC]

I agree with George that while there's nothing I've seen negative about the cooks they've chosen, there's not enough star-power there. Why in the world would you select unknowns with little KCBS cooking experience for the job? Why not open it up to applications to anyone interested and choose the best cooks to go? The whole thing smells to me.

 

[Dan - 3eyzbbq]

First of all I agree Dr. BBQ would be good for the outreach.

But, looking at it in a kind of detached way, isn't this like inviting yourself to the party and then being unhappy when your not invited (even though you were never invited to begin with?).

It may just be that the board made their decision to have some unknowns conduct the classes and now pride is getting in the way of them correcting their error. Either way, I would prefer the money be pumped into the US, not international.

 

[Divemaster]

Either way, I would prefer the money be pumped into the US, not international.

Bingo.

Let's fix our house before we start one on the other side of the pond.

 

[timzcardz]

But, looking at it in a kind of detached way, isn't this like inviting yourself to the party and then being unhappy when your not invited (even though you were never invited to begin with?).

Maybe it would be, if you weren't also paying for the party.

 

[Dan - 3eyzbbq]

Maybe it would be, if you weren't also paying for the party.

Point taken. So we can all go?

 

[Jorge]

But, looking at it in a kind of detached way, isn't this like inviting yourself to the party and then being unhappy when your not invited (even though you were never invited to begin with?).

The mission statement, and 501C status covers the expenditure. I agree we need to do more here, but don't have a problem with this concept. My personal issue, is the way it has been handled.

If you have ideas about how we can do more in terms of education or benefits for members I'd sincerely like to hear them.

 

[Frits]

Dr BBQ I am sorry to hear that you were not choosen to come to Europe to teach us.
I will be attending the KCBS judging coarse next year in the Netherlands. The next day we will compete in the Tony Stone competition.
This event will be held yearly so I hope you are allowed to come another year

 

[drbbq]

Dr BBQ I am sorry to hear that you were not choosen to come to Europe to teach us.
I will be attending the KCBS judging coarse next year in the Netherlands. The next day we will compete in the Tony Stone competition.
This event will be held yearly so I hope you are allowed to come another year

Hey Frits,
Can you provide info about these events?

 

[Gowan]

Despite the fact that both the November and December BoD meeting recordings were available for every member to review, it's painfully obvious that practically no one who has posted on this topic has taken the time to go to the source and get the facts. While that validates my original observation, it saddens me. How many people will vote in the upcoming election based on similarly skewed information?

I did not want to summarize the BoD actions myself as that would only be yet another hearsay source, but it seems I must if the facts are to actually be known here. So here is my summation, with the following disclaimer: DON"T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ UNTIL YOU VERIFY YOURSELF!

1) Ray Lampe is not the only person who has asked to be part of the new International Outreach Team
2) Ray Lampe has not been barred from participating in this KCBS effort
3) Wayne Lohman stated in the open Board session that since multiple people wanted to apply, that an announcement should be made and the opportunity opened up to the membership at large.
4) Wayne Lohman stated that he believed Ray Lampe could be an asset to KCBS, and that his application should be considered along with all other members who apply.
5) Don Harwell insisted that a roll call vote should be taken on his resolution to immediately appoint Ray Lampe to the Team. The Board voted not to accept this resolution.
6) Wayne Lohman suggested that the Team should be open to anybody who wishes to participate and the group hosting the Team could decide which people on the Team they would like to come to their particular event.

Again, I am not involved in this in any way beyond simply being a KCBS member who is interested in the operation of the organization. I don't know why anyone would want to ask me any questions about this rather than going directly to the source, but anyone who wishes to do so is welcome to message me here or on Facebook and I will respond privately via email or telephone.

Gowan Fenley
Cartersville, GA

 

[Gowan]

But how can we become fully informed if the people who "know" the facts, inaccuracies, and omissions won't share them with us? Once again please tell us the facts or stay out of it. Your vague references are just a smoke screen.

You should know by now I can't be bullied, Ray. Please refer to my post above. It's ridiculous that you should ask me to post them, as you either know them already and have chosen to omit them or you are grossly misinformed on the topic.

My past communication style with the board and my disagreement with a couple members shouldn't have them enforcing a vendetta against me if I'm a member and qualified for the assignment.

I agree completely with this statement. However, you have dodged my question as to your qualifications for the assignment. By definition, diplomacy is the major job of an ambassador. While I agree that you are certainly qualified as a BBQ cook and author, I'm not understanding how the "Honey badger don't care" attitude fits with the role of diplomat.

Nevertheless, I should think you would be happy with the direction the BoD is taking in inviting all interested members to apply. If your popularity overseas meets your expectations you should be in demand to be a part of International Outreach Events. Given this is the outcome you were seeking, it seems there is no reason to continue bashing the BoD about this issue.

 

[Scottie]

Gowan, I've listened to both BOD meetings. Should Lohman have been voting on thos issue? I know the facts. these folks were voted in before anyone had a chance to apply or any discussion on their merits were discussed. As a member, how should i look at thosr issues or am i part of the misinformed?

Thanks