Official 2010 Jack Draw Results

[Smokesman]

"First hand knowledge"??? "Integrity of the Jack"? This is getting ridiculous! If the New Mexico comp were a KCBS event this would be a non-issue because none of this would have ever happened. I read the IBCA rules last night and they are full of holes, vagaries and so poorly written it is no wonder confusion reigned. Harry Soo has been working his arse off to get to the Jack only to potentially be stopped cold by a poorly run comp. He defended himself just like anyone in his position would. Why Harry is being dragged through the dirt when the organizer and IBCA should be the ones with hell to pay. And if there is no one gunning for Harry then you could knock me over with a stick.

The mistakes made at the IBCA event should have ended there and Harry should not be penalized.

 

[2Fat]

Oh... there's a difference?

absolutely!

 

[Bentley]

That's not what he said.




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Like I said in my post, that is the perception I get from his post.

 

[ique]

Pretty sure John lives in South Dakota---

So if anyone is looking for a more reliable way to get into this contest, here is the plan... move to North Dakota

 

[Smoke'n Ice]

My understanding of the KCBS rules and procedure is to keep the results as the rep has final say but to correct any money payouts using KCBS funds but not change the results. There would also be some additional rep training involved but they would not have thrown the organizer and rep under the bus.

I may have heard a rumor that attornies were involved and "roll over and play dead" was the response in lieu of doing the right thing.

 

[Plowboy]

So if anyone is looking for a more reliable way to get into this contest, here is the plan... move to North Dakota

There's at least one team in North Dakota already: Spitfire. Better odds than in other places I guess.

 

[Sylvie]

At least those cali boys stick together...you can say that for them. but yeah his "haters gonna hate" blog post is hardly heartfelt or even informational.

I disagree with you. It was very heartfelt and I know this because I know Harry. We all have our own opinions and I stated mine just as you stated your's. I'll continue to pray that the hater's will be healed of their negative energy.

Cali Girl

 

[Bigmista]

Neil, I cant remember the last time you even cooked a contest, so your take on contests is a bit askew, you have no idea the level of competition out there anymore, and when a contraverys like this arises, people tend to complain. I even raised an eyebrow. Some people compeate for fun, such as yourself, and others take this a hellava lot more serious.

I competed at Que'n for Kids in June. 10th in Ribs, 5th in Brisket. 57 teams. I wasn't serious at all. Had a ball. Still walked. Sorry you weren't there.

...who's gonna strap on a set and contact IBCA? Writing it on here isn't going to get anything done about it. Blaming it on an individual isn't going to get anything done about it, the sanctioning body is the one that sends the list to the Jack, it wasn't Harry.

I believe I said that earlier. If you have and issue, either talk to that person or contact the sanctioning body. No reason for this conversation to have ever seen the light in this thread which was supposed to be a celebration of those who did qualify.

I wonder who was the first person to bring it up here was?

Debbie talked to Lynn today
We shall see the results soon

 

[JD McGee]

Can't we all just get along and invite me to the Jack to wash dishes?
(Lord knows I'll never get there by cookin...)
Ed

We got an open spot on our team Ed...plus I HATE doin' dishes...:becky: I kinda ignore them and let swamprb do them...:twisted: I'm sure he wouldn't mind...

 

[Plowboy]

We got an open spot on our team Ed...plus I HATE doin' dishes...:becky: I kinda ignore them and let swamprb do them...:twisted: I'm sure he wouldn't mind...

I've got a good feeling about you guys walking into the hollar. :thumb:

 

[Rub]

http://www.flbbq.org/albany.htm

if a qualifier has to have 25 teams, how did the Ross Team get into the draw?

It seems like this years has had more issues with the draw than those in recent memory. Lots of "25" team contests, disputed grands, and strangeness around the draw...maybe if the rules didnt make the NCAA rulebook look like the mayberry phone book this wouldnt be an issue.

Chad, all you have to do is ask me instead of speculating on a bulletin board. As president, I submitted the list of GCs for the FBA. The Albany contest was in it's first year with a proclamation, therefore required a minimum of 15 teams. The Albany contest had 22 teams. Qualifier.

 

[Tim H]

Thanks Matt

Congrats Tim on making the home state draw albeit a day late. Represent the Buckeye state well! You heading to Nelsonville?

Thanks Matt.

This past weekend was a roller coaster ride of emotions to say the least. What a trhrill it was to see the message board thread "Final Jack Draw Results" and open the file attachment to see that indeed our team was now on the list when I got on the site on Sunday morning.

Yes, I have entered into the Nelsonville, OH contest on the 15th. Stop by the Big Red trailer if you are there.

 

[Jorge]

Chad, all you have to do is ask me instead of speculating on a bulletin board. As president, I submitted the list of GCs for the FBA. The Albany contest was in it's first year with a proclamation, therefore required a minimum of 15 teams. The Albany contest had 22 teams. Qualifier.

I wanna hug you man! One Jack controversy solved!!!



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[ALX]

So if anyone is looking for a more reliable way to get into this contest, here is the plan... move to North Dakota

:clap2::clap2::thumb:...See you dere folks...Great work Jen and Jack........

 

[Jeff Selle]

"First hand knowledge"??? "Integrity of the Jack"? This is getting ridiculous! If the New Mexico comp were a KCBS event this would be a non-issue because none of this would have ever happened. I read the IBCA rules last night and they are full of holes, vagaries and so poorly written it is no wonder confusion reigned. Harry Soo has been working his arse off to get to the Jack only to potentially be stopped cold by a poorly run comp. He defended himself just like anyone in his position would. Why Harry is being dragged through the dirt when the organizer and IBCA should be the ones with hell to pay. And if there is no one gunning for Harry then you could knock me over with a stick.

The mistakes made at the IBCA event should have ended there and Harry should not be penalized.

Couldn't have said this better myself... I have hard time believing anyone in SYD's position wouldn't do exactly the same thing. They jumped through the hoops and landed 7 GCs, only to have one DQ'd due to administrative BS. That has been pretty well know in the BBQ world... It had to be considered in the draw.

 

[YankeeBBQ]

Couldn't have said this better myself... I have hard time believing anyone in SYD's position wouldn't do exactly the same thing. They jumped through the hoops and landed 7 GCs, only to have one DQ'd due to administrative BS. That has been pretty well know in the BBQ world... It had to be considered in the draw.

I like Harry Soo and should probably keep out of this but I feel the need to point out that the team that lost out in all of this is The Smoke Ring team. They were stripped of their GC at the NM event and didn't get a bung in the Jack Draw. That really sucks. He followed the rules as described by the head rep and he paid the ultimate price. Was that Harry's fault ? Maybe or maybe not . If Harry argued to have the rules changed after the event was over then he has some responsibility in the injustice against The Smoke Ring.

 

[Smokesman]

I like Harry Soo and should probably keep out of this but I feel the need to point out that the team that lost out in all of this is The Smoke Ring team. They were stripped of their GC at the NM event and didn't get a bung in the Jack Draw. That really sucks. He followed the rules as described by the head rep and he paid the ultimate price. Was that Harry's fault ? Maybe or maybe not . If Harry argued to have the rules changed after the event was over then he has some responsibility in the injustice against The Smoke Ring.

Is any of this Harry's fault? No! SYD showed up to cook at a qualifier for the Jack with no other intention than to cook their best. Like others they followed the rules as understood. Two things happened after the protest I find interesting, 1. At first SYD was named GC and Smoke Ring was named RGC, 2. then later after I would guess the IBCA had a chance to get all the facts together SYD as GC was reinforced when the overall scoring was corrected and Smoke Ring was moved to 4th. Finally, nowhere on the results page does it say the contest was no longer considered a qualifier.

The whole situation is indeed unfortunate. We were not there so all we can do is speculate. It is however obvious from all sides the rules for the NM comp were in question and unclear and the IBCA rules unlike KCBS leave the meats that count towards GC (3 or 4) up to the reps and/or organizer to decide. And from all that I have read it doesn't appear that anyone is questioning the final results. Smoke Ring wins GC if going by 3 meats, SYD wins if going by all 4. Hence the problem! Also, Harry could not have argued to have the rules changed because their is NO RULE in IBCA that says their contests are only 3 meats (Chick, ribs, brisket). And it doesn't appear Harry Soo was the only team to argue the point. But again I wasn't there and in the end can only speculate so this is just my opinion.

 

[Scottie]

I know that the IBCA did not submit the NM contest to the Jack as a sanctioned contest. So someone did...

And I completely agree with you Steve. No one even thinks about Jim...

 

[Jorge]

"First hand knowledge"??? "Integrity of the Jack"? This is getting ridiculous! If the New Mexico comp were a KCBS event this would be a non-issue because none of this would have ever happened. I read the IBCA rules last night and they are full of holes, vagaries and so poorly written it is no wonder confusion reigned. Harry Soo has been working his arse off to get to the Jack only to potentially be stopped cold by a poorly run comp. He defended himself just like anyone in his position would. Why Harry is being dragged through the dirt when the organizer and IBCA should be the ones with hell to pay. And if there is no one gunning for Harry then you could knock me over with a stick.

The mistakes made at the IBCA event should have ended there and Harry should not be penalized.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.... I believe that KCBS would have maintained the standings, which would have been Gary Howard getting the GC. Harry Soo would have gotten a check to compensate for the difference in prize money.

As for IBCA, that organization took responsibility for the errors early on and in public. Perhaps you missed that?

 

[ique]

I know that the IBCA did not submit the NM contest to the Jack as a sanctioned contest. So someone did...

And I completely agree with you Steve. No one even thinks about Jim...

Garry