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Unread 07-25-2013, 07:27 AM   #226
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Straight, simple answers.

Candy Sue serves the KCBS membership well my friends.

unfortunately simple answers didnt really get to the point of confirming that the scores are accurate only that they are consistent. You know that there is a big difference and running the data through the same system in no way confirms accuracy.
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Unread 07-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #227
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I've read all Candy's responses to mean there was a human error in the process and she can't say that because it is a "personnel" issue.
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Unread 07-25-2013, 09:20 AM   #228
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Anyone know how a 29.1544 is possible with the new weighted scores?
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Unread 07-25-2013, 09:30 AM   #229
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Anyone know how a 29.1544 is possible with the new weighted scores?
Just got it to work...7,8,6
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Unread 07-25-2013, 09:36 AM   #231
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Anyone know how a 29.1544 is possible with the new weighted scores?
That score can be calculated using 7-8-6

7 x 0.5600 = 3.9200
8 x 2.2972 = 18.3776
6 x 1.1428 = 6.8568

Total = 29.1544
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Unread 07-25-2013, 12:15 PM   #232
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My point is that running the same data through the software is no way to confirm that the scores are actually correct, just that the system will act in the same manner consistently.

I am guessing that someone actually did the math by hand to confirm that the results from KCBScore are accurate, but you saying that KCBScore spits out the same results is VERY different than saying that it spits out the CORRECT scores.

So can you also confirm that the scores coming out of KCBScore are accurate and that has been verified by several different sources. Not just running the contest data back through KCBScore. Again, running the contest data through KCBScore multiple times DOES NOT confirm that the scores are accurate, only that KCBScore acts consistently. Which is a good thing and important, but it does not confirm the accuracy.

Also providing the method used to confirm the results were accurate would be great.


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I know you aren't asking me but listening to the bod meeting, I heard that contests were ran through both BQWin and KCBSScore for testing its accuracy.

The bod decided at another time to release the new weighting scale when score was released. This kind of muddy's the water releasing these two changes at the same time considering how big of a change KCBSScore is but "it is what it is".
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I know you aren't asking me but listening to the bod meeting, I heard that contests were ran through both BQWin and KCBSScore for testing its accuracy.

The bod decided at another time to release the new weighting scale when score was released. This kind of muddy's the water releasing these two changes at the same time considering how big of a change KCBSScore is but "it is what it is".
With weighting changes, results won't be exact between the old software and the new software scoring the same data. They can't be exact, there's a different multiplier on Appearance and Tenderness. There was beta testing with BQwin and KCBScore with the weighting being identical and the results were identical. KCBScore works the way it is supposed to work. Can we move on now? Maybe comment cards???
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Unread 07-25-2013, 12:57 PM   #234
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Can we move on now? Maybe comment cards???
I'd love to see the Comment Cards back for judges to use. I think that Don Harwell had a good idea to tear off the "new" number after re-writing the team number then staple it to the scorecard. Seems pretty simple to me. Now some will say that it only works for small contests as there would be too many teams and cards at larger contests, but aren't there more REPS at larger contests? Seems pretty equivalent to me.

If I give a team a 6 or below, I would expect the team to want to know WHY. Without comment cards they will never know.
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Candy, I think the accuracy of the scoring program is an issue of serious interest to all competitors and it seems that the discussion of any problems the program may have have hardly been beaten down in this or any other thread. We all want to have complete confidence in the program and you answering questions here goes a long way towards assuring that.

This program represents one of the biggest changes that Teams, Judges and Reps have experienced due to the wonderful sharing of information that it provides to us all. I truly hope that the information that is now being documented and distributed will lead the way for improvements wherever they can be made.
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Unread 07-25-2013, 01:21 PM   #236
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My scores were some of the ones in question and i feel confident that it was not an issue with the new system.

The human element has always been a source of potential errors and KCBScore now gives us more data to compare. In this case the additional data helped point out some scoring discrepancies. A valuable discussion might be how to minimize or QC the data entry points to remove as much of the human element as possible. A judges score going directly into the system might be one way to reduce errors. Obviously KCBS can't supply 50+ iPads to each competition but a bring your own device setup could have potential. Double entry of scores could also reduce error (and push back awards).

Any other ideas?
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Unread 07-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #237
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Vince, you obviously want to see the technical details of the new software and its testing methodology in a very granular fashion. I would not expect the KCBS BoD President to be versed in such - I suggest you direct your inquiry to the Technology Committee that has dealt with the software and its developers since inception.

I'm sure a simple phone call to the KCBS office will get you the contact information you need, and you can report back what you learn here.
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Unread 07-27-2013, 12:53 PM   #238
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Big concern is the bunching of the same teams' entries to different tables. Table captains make sure they haven't seen an entry before, but right now, there's no way to keep the same team entries from hitting the same tray going to a different table. Larger the contest, the less it's likely for this to happen. It is worrisome at smaller events though.
That's what table captain sheets are for. But then there are some contests that don't bother to use them. Consistency is the key. If everyone uses them, the chances are far less to seeing duplicates to a table. With 14 tables there is no excuse a team would land on the table 2X as I read in another posting
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