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Who would be interested in buying some Oakridge replicated rubs if they were available?
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Juggy D Beerman
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Andrew, I will repeat what I posted earlier. Have you contacted Mike and asked how he would feel about you trying to replicate his recipes and market them?
Let's say you do not contact Mike and wind up replicating his recipes and successfully market the products. How do are you going to react if Mike decides to start up his business again using his old tried and true recipes that you have copied?
Let's say you do not contact Mike and wind up replicating his recipes and successfully market the products. How do are you going to react if Mike decides to start up his business again using his old tried and true recipes that you have copied?
Androoo78
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Juggy
Actually Yes, I did, over a year ago. He did not respond.
Honestly there is nothing proprietary about any seasoning or recipe. It's never going to be identical, that's impossible. But it might be better... My prime rib rub that I worked on for year's is amazing. Small tweak's here and there make me confident that it could never be exactly replicated. Im not even sure that I would ever sell the rubs anyhow, that's not my primary business and never will be.
But having researched this extensively, there is nothing that anyone can do. I could reverse engineer Pepsi for example, as long as I wasn't given their recipe by an employee, no legal action could occur.
Juggy D Beerman
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It might be legal to clone someone's recipes and profit from it, but does that make it right? I have had two different incidents in my life where my intellectual property was stolen and the replicators made money off my ideas, not me. I received no remuneration nor credit for my not yet patented ideas. This is why am I am what I have been saying. It doesn't bother me as much that you are trying to replicate someone else's no longer available product as it does trying to market that product as a clone of someone else's product.
Let's say you do replicate the Pepsi formula and decide to market it as Pesi. You think Pepsi is going to ignore that?
Let's say you do replicate the Pepsi formula and decide to market it as Pesi. You think Pepsi is going to ignore that?
Androoo78
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Intellectual property is very different than seasonings or any recipe for that matter...
And once again, I highly doubt it would ever market anything including my own rubs as I really don't believe that there is any money in the business, the costs are excessive.
I'm sorry that you are offended from past experiences of your own. But I'm not looking to harm anyone in any way, and I am not harming anyone -especially a business that was closed by their own decision. I'm just looking to enjoy good BBQ as I always have.
Shadowdog500
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If you want to sell his rub, why don’t you contact him and offer to buy his business, name, recipes and all.
kurtsara
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He said he’s tried to contact him, but has got no response, not to buy it, but just to contact him
Androoo78
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See attached. I reached out on fb.
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To be very clear, I think we all shared the love for Oakridge, but they are no longer in business. My journey and time spent to reverse engineer a favorite wasn't my first choice. And while I'm sure some of you have bad feelings on it, I would have much preferred to pay him for his recipe. But I assume he was just over everything associated with the business, hence the decision to close.
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Why not see if Mike is open to a licensing deal, where he gives you the right to reproduce his exact recipes using his brand, and he gets a % of sales? That way, the product will be exactly the same. Then you won't have to spend countless hours trying to duplicate the product, and Mike gets to benefit from your investment and efforts. That's a win-win all the way around.
That said, I'd LOVE to have Secret Weapon available again, and same for Competition Beef & Pork. I still have a little of both left, and am dreading the day I'm out.
PM me if you'd like to discuss further - I'm a marketing consultant, former president of an ad agency, and have put together a lot of revenue sharing deals & contracts.
That said, I'd LOVE to have Secret Weapon available again, and same for Competition Beef & Pork. I still have a little of both left, and am dreading the day I'm out.
PM me if you'd like to discuss further - I'm a marketing consultant, former president of an ad agency, and have put together a lot of revenue sharing deals & contracts.
Androoo78
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Honestly it's not a bad idea.... But, he didn't respond to me...
I also don't have a facility to produce on a business scale. Small batching is one thing. As far as the hours spent, Yes I've already spent countless hours, but that was fun and I enjoyed every single steak I made ...
Secondly, I don't really have the time or effort to open a seasoning business..
When I originally reached out to him it was to stock up or buy the recipe for personal purposes...
I love the idea or fantasy of having an amazing seasoning company. But unfortunately, that's probably all that it will ever be... Best case I would give/sell to friends and Possibly small batch to people who were interested..
I just don't see it being profitable or worth the efforts. So much competition and nothing to really set a product aside from them other than waiting for people to realize how good the rub really is...
I do appreciate the feedback and boy do i Miss Oakridge.... It's a Hall of famer for sure.
4ever3
somebody shut me the fark up.
It’s a seasoning blend, do you know how many brand A’s taste like brand B’s? A bunch!
If you want to try to replicate the flavor knock yourself out, there’s nothing anyone can do about it and you don’t need anyone’s permission.
Will I buy it? Doubtful, once my stash is gone it’s gone, and as far as I’m concerned there will never be another.
That being said I wish you the best of luck!
If you want to try to replicate the flavor knock yourself out, there’s nothing anyone can do about it and you don’t need anyone’s permission.
Will I buy it? Doubtful, once my stash is gone it’s gone, and as far as I’m concerned there will never be another.
That being said I wish you the best of luck!
kurtsara
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I have never tried any of it but we have been making our own rub for about 16 years
Itsdone
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Don't waste your time defending yourself, this guy likes to argue.
Androoo78
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I like to argue???
I hate arguing... Honestly I feel like I've been attacked by several people on this chat for no reason...
It's fine. I guess my original Post pissed people off, that wasn't the intention. I apologize to all if I was out of line.
Have a good night.
Itsdone
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I was referring to the guy that was arguing with you, but whatever, have a good night.
Juggy D Beerman
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Andrew, I don't know what Mike's plans were when he shut down his operation. I had thought the possibility of his taking a break from the business might have existed and there was a chance that he may come back. If he does decide to come back and you are in business selling rubs based on his recipes and marketing them as such, where does that leave Mike if he does decide to go back in business?
I never attacked you and I two concerns when I addressed you. I called you out on when you surveyed members in your original post about whether they would be interested in buying duplicates of Oak Ridge Rub. To me, this sounds like a survey from former Oak Ridge customers on whether they would buy your product. That also led me to believe that you were going to do this as a business venture.
I don't care if you can duplicate Mike's original recipes, more power to you if you can. I admire that ability. I am sure that on your own, you could conjure up some good original rubs. There are no legalities involved in this and that is because you cannot patent a recipe. I am old school. Back in the day, when you posted a recipe on the various internet discussion boards, if the recipe was not yours, it was expected that you gave the originator credit. Claiming a recipe as your own when it was copied and pasted, got you attacked. You have not been attacked by me. I have only questioned about your motives and ethics. I still say that just because it is legal, doesn't mean it is right. Your duplicating someone else's recipe and marketing as your own original product or a substitute for that same someone else's product is not right. Legal, but not right.
I would venture to guess that your offer to Mike was not the only offer he received. His lack of reply would leave someone to believe that he was not interested in your offer or any one else's offer. I am not defending Mike either as I only met him a few times back in his early days of when he went to various BBQ contests to introduce people to his products. Mike worked hard to establish his business. Your trying to revive his recipes by cloning them without his permission does not honor him.
I never attacked you and I two concerns when I addressed you. I called you out on when you surveyed members in your original post about whether they would be interested in buying duplicates of Oak Ridge Rub. To me, this sounds like a survey from former Oak Ridge customers on whether they would buy your product. That also led me to believe that you were going to do this as a business venture.
I don't care if you can duplicate Mike's original recipes, more power to you if you can. I admire that ability. I am sure that on your own, you could conjure up some good original rubs. There are no legalities involved in this and that is because you cannot patent a recipe. I am old school. Back in the day, when you posted a recipe on the various internet discussion boards, if the recipe was not yours, it was expected that you gave the originator credit. Claiming a recipe as your own when it was copied and pasted, got you attacked. You have not been attacked by me. I have only questioned about your motives and ethics. I still say that just because it is legal, doesn't mean it is right. Your duplicating someone else's recipe and marketing as your own original product or a substitute for that same someone else's product is not right. Legal, but not right.
I would venture to guess that your offer to Mike was not the only offer he received. His lack of reply would leave someone to believe that he was not interested in your offer or any one else's offer. I am not defending Mike either as I only met him a few times back in his early days of when he went to various BBQ contests to introduce people to his products. Mike worked hard to establish his business. Your trying to revive his recipes by cloning them without his permission does not honor him.
Androoo78
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That's what I initially thought. But text is difficult to read feelings most of the time
OK, hashed and re-hashed, let's find something else to banter about.
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Definitely interested...a brand worth resurrecting.
Black ops and Secret Weapon. Would love to support the process/production if needed.