Questions on using drums scored for Uds's

[firecracker jack]

Posted these questions yesterday in the uds thread but didn't get a respone. Wanted to get started quickly if I can so I thought I'd try again...

I scored three drums in good shape for 40$, two of the drums are open ended, and I intend to use them for the smokers and the other drum is the closed ended type that I wanted to cut into app. thirds and use for the lids for the smokers.
The guy I bought them from said that the two open ended ones contained acrylic encapsulated in jell-caps. There was never any liquid inside, incontact with the barrel. It was all clean, bare metal with a lttle powder in the bottom. There was a noticeable odor. I was going to try washing them out and seeing if the smell goes away, and then burn them out real well.

The other one concerns me more, as it contained isopropyl acetate and has labels on it that says not to reuse container until professionally cleaned. I was told that it is an organic carbon based compound, and I thought I heard it said that if it's carbon based it can be burned out of the drum. It was also suggested that It could be dry-ice blasted(media blasting), to remove the rsidue and then burned it out.

Anyone fimiliar with this sort of situation? Any opinions or info?

firecrackerjack

 

[Jeff S.]

Thats the chemical symbol for ispropyl acetate, I believe the guy on the right ate food cooked in a storage drum.

JMHO, dont use the drum. Not worth it. This stuff is in the metal. Sure you can burn whats on the surface, but I think what is going to leach from the steel is what made the lil guys head fall off.:shocked:

I bought Food Grade drums for 12 bucks a piece.

 

[firecracker jack]

Thats the chemical symbol for ispropyl acetate, I believe the guy on the right ate food cooked in a storage drum.

JMHO, dont use the drum. Not worth it. This stuff is in the metal. Sure you can burn whats on the surface, but I think what is going to leach from the steel is what made the lil guys head fall off.:shocked:


I bought Food Grade drums for 12 bucks a piece.

Ok, thanks man! What I've been able to find on line about it didn't make me feel so good about using it.....Wouldn't want me head falling off...If it hasn't already:doh:!

Any thoughts on the other two...Acrylic encapsulated in jell-caps?

Thanks,
firecrackerjack

 

[Bbq Bubba]

Thats the chemical symbol for ispropyl acetate, I believe the guy on the right ate food cooked in a storage drum.

JMHO, dont use the drum. Not worth it. This stuff is in the metal. Sure you can burn whats on the surface, but I think what is going to leach from the steel is what made the lil guys head fall off.:shocked:

I bought Food Grade drums for 12 bucks a piece.

I will be the first to disagree with this statement.
Metal is NOT pourous and can not absorb chemical or liquid.
If a good washing doesn't get it clean, a good burn out will.

Keep us updated Jack! :thumb:

 

[expatpig]

Some types of cast steel are porous, drums are made of rolled steel, a cleaning and a burn should be fine.

 

[firecracker jack]

Well, unfortunately when I purchased the drums my head must have already fallen off cause I didn' read the label on the Isopropyl drum tell I got it home, or I would have past it up. The small cap on the lid
of the drum was gone and I smelled it, there really was no odor at al,l like the drum had been empty for quite awhile. I also read on line on a site with a discription of Isopropyl acetate that it decomposes when on steel, when exposed to air. There is however a label on the drum stating not to use the drum for any other purpose, and that it could have harful residues on it until professioally cleaned...Whatever that process is... My last drum build was made with a reconditioned drum where they bake the drum(in a furnace) back to bare metal. My brother told me about dry-ice blasting which should successfully remove any residues, and then burn it out real well.

I suppose if I could find unlined steel food grade drums somewhere? for whatever the price? I could just go by me a bunch and not worry about this chit:clap2::clap2:

Thanksfor your input...

firecrackerjack

 

[barneybasher1010]

Fire is your friend.:flame: Burn it out, it will be OK.

 

[Captain Dave]

Burn it and go with it. If you're still worried burn it twice. I know a guy with a couple of drums who didn't even get the liner off. He did burn them some, but then just burned a little extra wood to form a new "liner". No ill effects or tastes. Go figure.

 

[expatpig]

I get mine from a heavy truck dealership, bulk grease comes in them inside of a heavy poly bag. When they use up the grease, pull the bag out and you have a clean unlined drum. I do a burn out anyway, sand the outside and repaint.voila!

 

[firecracker jack]

Fire is your friend.:flame: Burn it out, it will be OK.

I like playing with fire:mad2:....Just don't like my head falling off.....So I'll burn the chit out of it....Heat should cause the metal to expand and open the pores and get into them as well....

firecrackerjack

 

[thirsty]

JMHO, dont use the drum. Not worth it. This stuff is in the metal.

Here is some info on Isopropyl Acetate http://w w w.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/isopropylacetate/recognition.html. Read this paragraph:

* Reactivity
1. Conditions contributing to instability: Heat, sparks, or flame.
2. Incompatibilities: Contact between isopropyl acetate and oxidizers, strong acids or bases, or nitrates should be avoided.
3. Hazardous decomposition products: Toxic gases and vapors (such as carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide) may be released in a fire involving isopropyl acetate.



Not worth it. Just my 2 cents

 

[sdb25]

IMHO, you guys worry too much. Just my $.02.

I mean, come on; carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide? Every time you bbq you create each of these.

Burn the barrel out, and you'll be fine.

 

[Jeff S.]

Steel does absorb certain Acids. I deal with chemicals everyday. The problem with this chemical is the Acetic acid. Not that it is anything that might kill you, but it will carry other chemicals with it

If you have any doubt about the contents of the drum, then something is already telling you NO.

Most folks will say "give her a good burn, it will be fine" but they probably wont be eating anything you cook.

It is not worth your health to take a chance like that.

 

[Bbq Bubba]

FYI Jack.

Food grade barrels are not unlined. They usually have the dreaded orange liner in them, the toughest of all liners.

Unlined barrels usually contain a bladder holding the product inside, thus no reason to line the barrel. :thumb:

 

[firecracker jack]

Ok! Thanks for all of your input....Although I feel that burning the drum out would probably remove any residues left inside, why take the chance...It's not like I spent a fortune on it, and I can find another..This discussion might help others out if they're in the same situation......

Now that the Isopropyl Acetate drum has been successfully set aside for waste oil or something:mod:.....Does anyone have any input on the other two drums that contained jell-cap encapsulated acrylic. The drums were pretty much just bare metal with a powder residue in the bottom?

Anybody deal with this product? Could'nt find much on line about any such a thing....I can always give em to the boss for use at the shop.....I'm almost to that point, and just buying brand new unlined drums that have never had nothin in 'em...:clap2:

firecrackerjack

 

[Jeff S.]

No liner, no acidic contents, a good burn or two should be all thats needed for the other two. The powder in the bottom is a product that they use to keep the jell-caps from sticking together. Had to ask my supplier about that one.

I am having a helluva time finding unlined barrels, sure does save alot of work. Bbq Bubba is right, that orange/brick colored liner is the worst. Even after burning grinding wirewheeling there was still traces of the dreaded liner in the drum. Actually ate into the steel.

 

[Rich Parker]

Where I live big fires are not allowed so I paid $65 for a brand new unlined drum. No headache and less work.

 

[Bbq Bubba]

Where I live big fires are not allowed so I paid $65 for a brand new unlined drum. No headache and less work.

Nancy.

 

[1FUNVET]

Where I live big fires are not allowed so I paid $65 for a brand new unlined drum. No headache and less work.

Should have made a bunch of little fires. :becky:

 

[PaulG78]

Where I live big fires are not allowed so I paid $65 for a brand new unlined drum. No headache and less work.

I've found a good source for shot blasted barrels, right in our own back yard. $20 with ring. There may be a chance of getting them for less if a few are bought at once. Let me know if / when you want to buy and maybe I'll pick up a couple too. Here's what they look like:

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83904