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Help on Bark

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I smoked a 7 lb butt this weekend and had trouble getting the bark I was looking for. I smoked for about 6 hours unwrapped and then wrapped for another 2-1/2 until temp was 200. The butt turned out pretty good but did not have the black bark I was hoping for. I added a lot of Turb sugar in my rub which I thought would help but it did not. I did not spray it at all while on the smoke which might have helped. Any ideas?
 
Ok we need more info, but heres my assumptions. A butt thats cooked in 8 hours should weigh about 5 - 5.5 lbs if cooked around 240-250. A 7lb butt should run upwards of 10 hours at those temps.. thats 2 more hours in the heat and 2 more hours to form a bark. Yours being done in 8 says you were running high temps. The pics look like you were light on the rub and even with turbinado you need to maka a pretty pasty covering and give it time to carmelize.. mopping and spraying definately helps form the bark. I always give a heavy base rub of turbinado or brown sugar by wetting the buts down with cider vinegar and put the surgar on with a heavy hand and rub it into a thin paste, then I add my seasoing rub and rub that in further which helps to thicken up the paste a little bit. Also mop or spray with something that has a good amount of sugar in it to help with bark formation. I use apple juice mxed with.. whatever.. cherry juice, bourbon, pickle juice, vinegar.. whatever i fell like at the time. Also adding a touch of brown sugar to the mops or sprays add a little more to it and carmelize in the heat addig more texture to the bark.
 
Also, if you didn't use paprika in your rub - it'll help. The turbinado sugar makes a bit difference - and like Phil said make it pasty before you put on the rub.
 
And spraying with something sweet seems to help me

I use cherry kids juice box juice. so its hard to tell from your pic, but mine turn out kinda black with the sugar stuck/burnt to the grate. I dont flip, some do. Fat cap down
 
Deffinately make the paste. I always splash the meat with a good dose of worsteschire sauce before adding the rub. Produces good bark whether your doing ribs, butt, or brisket.
 
I Smoked a 7 lb butt this weekend and had trouble getting the bark I was looking for. I smoked for about 6 hours unwrapped and then wrapped for another 2-1/2 until temp was 200. The butt turned out pretty good but did not have the black bark I was hoping for.

Sigma, can you answer at what temps you think you were cooking, for my education.
 
I was having trouble at first with high temps (300-350) but I got the under control after about 1/2 an hour. After that I was between 200 and 250 all day. I left for church and when I came back the fire was down to about 150 so I had to bump it back up. So actually looking back, it was a pretty rough day and I should be happy the butt turned out as well as it did..

:roll:
 
If you're cooking on a Bandera you cannot leave to got to church or the bar unless you're using a basket or a minion method or you load up the box and haul ass to you destination (while praying you're temps don't sky rocket)
 
With the 'dera I don't leave. I do stuff around the farm and keep checking every 30 minutes. Cooler full of beer placed near the smoker keeps me close, too. :D
 
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adding this to the thread.. .it was an offline conversation that i think others can benefit from if neeeded.


sigmasmokers said:
So what is it that creates the good bark? Is it Low temps, smoke and sugar? Because the things I would have been missing of these is Low temps at first and sweet in a spray or mop. I have been having trouble with my Bandera only at first with the temp. As soon as I add the charcoal from my chimney, the temp starts climbing and the next thing I notice it's up around 350 - 375. Then I have to open the doors to bring the temp back down to between 225-250. Once its down it stays down. So I guess I should wait until after the temp rise and drop before I put on my meat?

bbqchef33 said:
The bark is the carmelization of the sugars, the meat, the rubs and sprays or mops. It takes a while to form, so high temps that cook the meat faster just browns the meat and the bark doesnt have a chance to form before the meat is done cooking. Using your pics as a guide, my butts look like that at about the 8 hour mark before the bark starts to set up. Before that, its just browned.

You also MUST have an ample amount of sugars which can come in many forms, Turbindo, Brown sugar, fruit juices, molassas, syrups, honey or BBQ sauces(maple works nice on turkey as does honey). When and how you use it depends on the type of sugar you use and the rate at which they carmelize. A fruit juice for instance can be used early and throughout the cook, but a molassas or syrup should be applied at the end or they will burn. I use apple juice throughout the cook, and may add syrups, honey or molassas, in small amounts later on in the cook to add flavor and enhance the bark. Tomato and heavy sugar based sauces will burn so should be used in the last 30-45 minutes.

As far as your temperture control goes, are you using the door thermometer or are you using a probe or oven type. ???

The door thermometer has been proven to be very inaccurate. Especially if you dont have a baffle installed. The temps should be measured inside the chamber with a seperate thermometer, not at the door. Also temperature control should be done at the damper on the firebox. If you have to close that damper more than 1/2 then your fire is too big. It helps a little to move the fuel away from the smoke box opening too. If it cant be controled withthe damper, either the damper is outr of whack and allows to much air, or your fire is just plain old too big. Bleeding heat off bu opening the chamber door should be a last resort. I will have a 300 degree chamber at the initial onset of the fire, but once i closwe the fdamper a little, temps come right down.

On beef cuts and large pork cuts its ok to start high and let them temps drop, but for ribs ore chicken, i would wait till the temps are no higher than 250-260 before putting them in, then let them drop further to 220-240.

I hope ya dont mind, but i am going to copy this into your post in qtalk. Others members will be able to add to it and some may appreciate the information.
 
Thanks a lot for the information. I am pretty new to BBQ and to this Site and everyone has treated me like a longtime BBQ Bro and I appreciate everyone. :D
 
After all the great advice above--I have learned alot.

Let me slip this in :lol:
The color is not the key!
Your taste is! :lol:
My bark is normally a golden or dark brown and I am happy with that.
I like a bit of "crisp" or "crust" in the bark and just a bit of flavor.
But, that is just me.
So, go by your taste and not by color--
JMHO
TIM
 
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