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yes, no problem | 10 | 14.93% | |
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01-24-2007, 03:55 PM | #1 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-25-05
Location: Jefferson City, Missouri
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Later turn-in times at contests
Some talk is being generated about having later turn-in times at contests and having the awards taking place in the evening on Saturday. I for one like breaking down after turn-ins on Saturday and getting the awards overwith so I can get home and recouperate from a long and usually very hot two days. I unload on Saturday night and shower and then it is sleep and rest and a couple small chores on Sunday after Church. I don't have the comfort of a RV at contests so I can stay cool and sleep in a bed so I look forward to getting to the house as soon as possible which is usually a 1-3 hour drive.
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01-24-2007, 03:58 PM | #2 |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 12-04-05
Location: Wantagh, NY
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Why not? I enjoy sitting in the blazing heat while the band plays on. OK i will go to my room now
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01-24-2007, 04:52 PM | #3 |
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Join Date: 08-11-03
Location: Long Island, NY
Name/Nickname : Phil
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There are a couple important reasons organizers are looking at later turn-in times(or knock down/exit times). I agree with wanting to get home and go to sleep, but i was enlightened this weekend as to why thats not always going to happen. I believe, not 100% sure, but think its not the later turn in that they are doing, but adjusting the end time of the contest. Would it be the same saying turnins are at 12-2, but awards dont start until 6-8PM?
1 - Safety. Usually, awards run around 4-5 O'Clock.. which at the busier events, is prime time for crowds.. and/or earlier crowds like to hang around to see the awards. When teams start breaking down and driving rigs out of fairgrounds or parking lots with hundreds if not thousands of people wandering around it causes and obvious safety hazard for those walking around. Event officials may lay down the law and not allow cars into or to leave the fair grounds when it is open to the public. Some towns and venues will NOT allow events to permit cars/trucks onto the grounds when it is still open to the public. Thats one reason organizers will not allow cars to stay at the sites, or allow them to return to the sites to hitch up and drive away. 2 - Crowd/spectator shows. Most contests are not in place to line any individuals pocket with $$, but usually have some form of charity or benefactor.. ie rotary, KoC, etc. They are there to make money, and lets face it.. WE(the teams) are not the main source of revenue for the event. The sponsors are, and the crowds are. If a festival, car show, bazaar, whatever has a BBQ contest as one part of the draw, people expect to see us there. On the same token, if a band is playing at 6-8, people start arriving around 4-6.. which is smack dab during the awards. Now, 2 things happen. 1 - again, the safety hazard is there with huge rigs trying to make it thru the crowd.. and 2 - If we are all gone by 6, the crowd, which again is the primary source of income comes to an empty lot and piles of ash. If thats the case, they will not return the next year, and without the crowds, the sponsors don't get exposure. Without the sponsors, there are no events.. Organizers and promoters would prefer to give the crowds something to see and also keep the sponsors happy.. and we, the competitors, are part of the show. Consider how all these are intertwined, the base event(carnival, car show, bands playing, etc).. , the sponsors, the crowds, and us.. There are so many things to look out for, and consider when putting together events.. its is not for the meek.. What I learned this weekend at KCBS is that what we see as competitors are a very very VERY small part of the big picture. These are NOT the sole reasons.. dont take it as gospel.. its what I learned at KCBS this weekend from talking to many people, and having a few meetings and may be just my interpertations. Hopefully some tof the experts will chime in too. But I believe these are just a couple reasons we may see later turn-in times at some events.
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01-24-2007, 04:59 PM | #4 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 05-10-06
Location: Overland Fark, KS
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I would be jsut fine with it. I wouldn't have to burn a vacation day at work to take Friday off, I could arrive Friday night and set up. I wouldn't have to stay Saturday night either, just go home, and still have Sunday to unwind. Of course, being in KC means I have nearby comps so there is no long drive home for me. I'm sure for those with long drives it would make a difference, but not for me. The way I see it, I will either spend 1.5 days in the heat (all Friday and half Saturday), or 1.5 days in the heat (Friday PM and all Saturday). That's just me however, one size does not fit all. And I'm still so comp green my opinion should probably be divided into a fraction.
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01-24-2007, 05:30 PM | #5 |
Quintessential Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-14-05
Location: Vernon, Connecticut
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Poobah,
I understand what you are saying and to some degree agree but what is not being considered is that alot of the contests here and in New England are Saturday and Sunday events. I for one would not like to be held hostage until 8:00 Sunday Night before I can leave for home. Especially when I have to return to work on Monday. While this may work on a Saturday, I don't think it works on a Sunday.
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01-24-2007, 07:16 PM | #6 |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 01-05-06
Location: Rockland, MA
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I hear that about the New England contests. I also know that some of the events up here simply state in the packet that you may not leave your vehicle on site AT ALL, and still others say that you will be stuck there for the duration. The bottom line ... it is up to each organizer.
As long as it is known ahead of time, the teams can then make the decision to cook an event or not. I also attended those meetings and the reasons FOR were very important...safety first. lunchlady
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01-24-2007, 07:32 PM | #7 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 08-13-03
Location: Clearwater, FL
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Safety can be an issue, but nearly every event we go to sets a no-earlier-than departure time -- and should enforce the no vehicle or no vehicle movement rules that are already in place.
Shifting cook schedules is no big deal. Holding teams hostage for the "public" is foolish -- teams that schmooze the public do so already...those that don't won't, even if held on-site longer. All teams start cleanup and teardown following turn-ins. Especially with small teams this time is valuable before we crash and burn. Each event can and should be allowed to make it's own decision regarding turnins and departure rules...it sounds like there may be valid reasons up in the NE for later turnins...but this should be clearly articulated in the packages and rules sessions... As a general wide-ranging change I wouldn't support it. If I'm close enough to get home that night I want to LEAVE after awards or right on the "allowed to move" time.
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01-24-2007, 07:38 PM | #8 |
Quintessential Chatty Farker
Join Date: 08-13-03
Location: Long Beach, CA
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Seems to me that people generally want to get results, pack up and get the fark home. It's not like most of the competitors live around the corner.
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01-24-2007, 08:30 PM | #9 |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 09-05-06
Location: Kansas City, KS
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If I live more than a couple hours from home... I am going to sleep over anyway. Having said that - Many of the venues don't allow you to keep your spot until Sunday. If it is a city street - you have to be packed up by 6-7pm to open the road. For campgroungs - many want to charge you additional for Sat. evening.
I think if they want to change the times too much, they would need to look at the impact for the cookers - and insure it isnt going to cost them too much more in time and money to make the change. If it does, you could lose alot of your teams, just due to that. Or you will cause more accidents - you get a tired group of folks, and make them go home later - after dark in some instances - and you will see more accidents from tired folk. Later times are ok - you just have to look at the ramifications for changing them.
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01-24-2007, 08:45 PM | #10 | |
Grand Poobah and Site Admin
Join Date: 08-11-03
Location: Long Island, NY
Name/Nickname : Phil
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first, i think i better clarify, that the discussion I was part of were just bringing up some issues and problems and solutions that arose during this past season for a few organizers. It was more of a horse and pony show about a few events. Some of which had big name bands and tremendous crowds. IT WAS NOT A DISCUSSION OF CHANGING ANY RULES OR REGULATIONS. It was "heres what happened and heres what I did".. that is all.
anyway.. Quote:
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01-24-2007, 08:51 PM | #11 |
Babbling Farker
Join Date: 02-19-06
Location: Kansas City
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Phil - I have to agree. We always stop or stay if it is going to be a long drive. Too much precious cargo to risk makin it home. Not to mention taking out a lane of traffic with 32' of trailer weighing 10,000lbs.
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01-24-2007, 09:04 PM | #12 |
Full Fledged Farker
Join Date: 08-11-06
Location: landrum, sc
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Tough call. Most of our contests are with in an hour of the house, so It wouldn't be a big deal. I have to agree with the Saturday visitors wanting to see all of the teams. It's a coin toss for me.
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01-24-2007, 09:41 PM | #13 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-04-05
Location: Pleasant Hill, MO
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I'm against it for the same fatigue factor. I'm farkin BEAT by the time we're packed up and all I want to do is hit the road and get the hell home.
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01-24-2007, 09:59 PM | #14 |
is one Smokin' Farker
Join Date: 05-20-06
Location: Kansas City
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So if turn in is done at 7pm and Im cooking a brisket for 12 hrs it has to go on at 7am. I need a couple hrs to prep it. Thats 5 am. But if I want to absorb flavor. OK thats 2 am. I got to set up my stuff. Midnight. Damn wish that contest would have started on Friday. Plus the award ceromony wouldnt start until midnight at larger events. keep it that same.
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01-25-2007, 12:03 AM | #15 |
On the road to being a farker
Join Date: 12-05-06
Location: Ville Platte LA
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I know i want to get it over with!
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