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Old 10-27-2021, 09:48 AM   #1
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If you don't follow my channel or haven't seen it yet, here's the link to my newest video. If you do watch it, please watch until the very end, it's only 17 minutes and I really bring it home in the last 5 minutes.

YouTube: Cancel Culture and the Death of Oakridge BBQ



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Old 10-27-2021, 01:04 PM   #2
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I've always meant to give this a try, but I'm a lazy fark, and never got around to it. Sampler pack order just placed directly because I figure Amazon is part of the problem and no stores near me. Fark cancel culture and what it is doing to our country.
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I'm sorry you're going through this. Well said on the video, though, and especially the last few minutes!
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The video link is broken for me. Any other way to access it?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oQJakX7kE

That is the link I get which shows up.
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Thanks for the help Bruce.

I watched the video and Mike is, as I expected, spot on. I may be optimistic or just plain dumb but I see signs that the cancel culture movement is eating itself.

Let's hope I'm right.
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I don't understand, Mike. Wouldn't you want these shenanigans to just die on the proverbial vine... maybe put some distance between politics and OakRidge BBQ? Instead, you make another video about the subject... keeping the connection alive.

You hosted disinformation about the 2020 election on your website... as you mentioned in a previous video. Now, you're grumpy when folks use that same website to continue to bring politics to your business' front door?

Mike, you're an absolute GENIUS when it comes to seasonings, rubs, spices, and the BBQ world! But... maybe not so much on the political and PR front, brother. Hope you can put this mess behind you and concentrate on what really matters.
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I gotta go with Marc on this. Spending time answering to Internet trolls is at best a waste and worst a short spiral down the toilet.
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I don't understand, Mike. Wouldn't you want these shenanigans to just die on the proverbial vine... maybe put some distance between politics and OakRidge BBQ? Instead, you make another video about the subject... keeping the connection alive.

You hosted disinformation about the 2020 election on your website... as you mentioned in a previous video. Now, you're grumpy when folks use that same website to continue to bring politics to your business' front door?

Mike, you're an absolute GENIUS when it comes to seasonings, rubs, spices, and the BBQ world! But... maybe not so much on the political and PR front, brother. Hope you can put this mess behind you and concentrate on what really matters.
Marc, are you a Socialist? I never pegged you for one, especially considering you are former military and have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution.

The pretext to your statement regarding "disinformation" makes two core presumptions I believe are incorrect and misguided.

1.) You presume the information is disinformation, but how do YOU know? Have you actually examined the primary evidence with an open unbiased mind, or just blindly listened to what the media and politicians have told you? I've examined the primary source information for myself and find a strong case for interference and unconstitutional behavior, and I think any rational adult able to put aside their own personal biases would have a hard time not seeing the same things I'm seeing. Did you watch the Maricopa County Election Audit evidentiary hearing on the Arizona Senate floor? I watched the entire thing, live. There was clear evidence of tampering and not following established state and federal election regulations, not to mention possible felonious obstruction activities by the Maricopa county election officials. These are just the facts. You can't just watch the media's one-sided presentation of the evidence and take it as gospel. You actually have to take the time and review all of the primary evidence for yourself and be prepared and open to being personally/ideologically confronted by the evidence when it differs from what you want to be true. Do not leave it up to the sophistry and obfuscation tactics employed by the "State" media.

2.) Even more problematic is the core presupposition one must hold to even arrive at such a position. The presupposition that information -- when deemed dangerous -- must/should be squelched, is very destructive to freedom and liberty. First, who is deeming it dangerous? What are their motives? Second, since when are words/ideas dangerous? Open debate in the public square is the magic this Constitutional Republic was built on. How could silencing the open debate of whether our elections are following State and Federal constitutional regulations be beneficial? Who would benefit from the censorship?? The truth certainly does not benefit. However, the truth always comes out in the end, so hiding/destroying information does not make the truth go away. It will eventually come out. So, you have to ask yourself, who has the most to gain/loose by the suppression of ideas? I thought we learned collectively the last time information was squelched by the burning of books -- this was a bad idea and a dark blot in the history of America.

I didn't like it when Hillary cried foul for four years on the 2016 election results, but my eyes hadn't been fully opened to the real possibility that she might have actually been telling the truth. After all the bull$hit of 2020 and 2021, I am now much more aware of the brokenness of our political system and I won't allow my personal biases to blind me to openly admitting the possibility just because I don't like her at all, and "my side" won so who cares.

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I have a good friend who is a professor in Ukraine. Some years back, Ukraine was deep in a civil war, and his city was even besieged. There were many different opinions in his city and people were split. Many friendships were torn apart. Early on, he forbade any discussion of the war or politics in his laboratory. He told me that I was the only one he could discuss his feelings with and I received many emails from him that were especially agonizing. I also knew many members of his laboratory and they also sent me similar emails. Some were from one viewpoint and others were from another. I did what I could do: I listened. Somehow, they got through the worst of it and their laboratory is intact and has been extremely productive despite working during a civil war. I know personally people working together who are on completely different sides of the conflict and they still work together and their friendships have been preserved. This was a very valuable lesson for me. Sometimes it is best to respect everyone and not to say anything that may alienate half the people you know. In an ideal world it would not matter, but we do not live in an ideal world.
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I gotta go with Marc on this. Spending time answering to Internet trolls is at best a waste and worst a short spiral down the toilet.
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Sometimes it is best to respect everyone and not to say anything that may alienate half the people you know. In an ideal world it would not matter, but we do not live in an ideal world.
The quote below from the Arizona Attorney General succinctly codifies exactly why I am no longer staying quiet -- admittedly at the risk of potentially alienating some past or potential future customers:

I feel like there’s this window of opportunity, this key moment in history that if we don’t stand up now and protect the Constitution and rule of law, we’ll never get it back.” ~ AZ A.G. Brnovich


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Mike, do you know the First Law of Holes? When you're in a hole, stop digging.

I like the rubs and have several packages on hand. But your thread here amazes me.

First, it is a fact that the majority of Americans think that our elections are free and fair, albeit subject to small errors because we are human. The majority IMO think the current kerfuffle is silly. Some of us are even stronger, considering the former president to be mentally ill and transparently amoral. But my point is this: There is probably no business benefit to you from exposing your opinions in the context of the business. What you believe, right or wrong, is in the minority. One rule I live by is this: "If you don't want to get bitten, don't wake the bear." You woke the bear and are suffering the consequences.

A second observation based on reading your post #9 is this: There have been thousands of people working thousands of hours to check out this "rigged election" paranoia. They have come up with nothing other than a few human errors. There is a long list of courts scattered all over the country that have determined that the paranoia is not well-founded, to the point that several attorneys will probably be disbarred for malfeasance in even bringing the suits. Yet in post #9 you assert that all these people are wrong, simply based on a few hours of television time watching a clown show in Arizona. Which, like all the others, found nothing wrong. I find that to be incredibly arrogant.

But, Mike, just remember the first law of holes and things will almost certainly get better.

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I’ll first say that I’m a satisfied customer of several years. I don’t know if I’m the norm, but I don’t generally allow political biases to influence my purchases- if I like a product, and I’m treated with respect, and receive good service, I buy the product. I like your rubs, and at the moment I have no intention to stop using them. That being said…

I have to agree with those urging you to separate your strong political opinions from your business. In the spirit of full disclosure, I think the conspiracy theories of your ilk are mostly silly - but I’m not interested in debating that polarizing issue on a BBQ forum. You seem stunned that sharing those opinions is alienating some of you customer base. I understand and appreciate what a polarizing thing the current political climate has become…but to me, it seems needlessly risky and reckless - as a successful business owner - to do what you’re doing now. Is this the hill you really want to die on? If you want a successful business, it seems too obvious…don’t alienate customers. If your political points of view are more important to you than making money, then by all means stand your ground.

There’s an old adage that says: among friends, never argue politics or religion - they are arguments that you surely cannot win. All you’re likely to do is lose friends. It’s been my experience that people are rarely- if ever- swayed by differing opinions where politics or religion are concerned. People gonna believe what they believe - whether supported by fact or not.

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Mike, do you know the First Law of Holes? When you're in a hole, stop digging.

I like the rubs and have several packages on hand. But your thread here amazes me.

First, it is a fact that the majority of Americans think that our elections are free and fair, albeit subject to small errors because we are human. The majority IMO think the current kerfuffle is silly. Some of us are even stronger, considering the former president to be mentally ill and transparently amoral. But my point is this: There is probably no business benefit to you from exposing your opinions in the context of the business. What you believe, right or wrong, is in the minority. One rule I live by is this: "If you don't want to get bitten, don't wake the bear." You woke the bear and are suffering the consequences.

A second observation based on reading your post #9 is this: There have been thousands of people working thousands of hours to check out this "rigged election" paranoia. They have come up with nothing other than a few human errors. There is a long list of courts scattered all over the country that have determined that the paranoia is not well-founded, to the point that several attorneys will probably be disbarred for malfeasance in even bringing the suits. Yet in post #9 you assert that all these people are wrong, simply based on a few hours of television time watching a clown show in Arizona. Which, like all the others, found nothing wrong. I find that to be incredibly arrogant.

But, Mike, just remember the first law of holes and things will almost certainly get better.
I'm sorry to disagree with you airdale, but nothing you said above was factually accurate. Sorry. As far as the "hole" you say I'm in... like I said before, if being freed of any alleged hole as you call it means I must shut my mouth and not speak out against things being done that I do not believe are in the best interest of this country, then in the hole I will stay. I will never sell my soul to win some stupid earthly prize of men.

Regarding the rest of your post:

According to polls out just this week, "Nearly 7 in 10 GOP voters don’t believe the 2020 election was free and fair and/or have little to no trust in the U.S. election system, while 49 percent doubt that next year’s midterms will be free and fair." Additionally, the polls show nearly half of voters (48 percent) — including 73 percent of Republicans, 42 percent of independents and 29 percent of Democrats — said they would vote for a candidate who believes the results of the 2020 presidential election should be investigated.

Furthermore, it is absolutely not true the Arizona audit found nothing. The way the liberal media spun and truncated the information presented was utterly laughable. They found more than enough for the State Attorney General to begin his own investigations into the findings with the end intent of criminal charges being brought. State constitutional election laws were broken. Is the rule of law no longer important in this post-modern dystopian society?

Finally, it is unfair and completely incorrect of you to generalize my understanding of the reported election abnormalities down to "few hours of television time watching a clown show in Arizona." You clearly have no friggin' idea about me and who I am. I am the canary in the coal mine. I was always the skeptical one, never believing anything like this would be possible. I never subscribed to "conspiracy theories" and I never spoke out. But, as I've said above, after all the bull$hit of 2020 and 2021, I am now much more aware of the brokenness of our political system, which includes our elections.

The truth will eventually come out. It may take years, but it will eventually come out.

Don't want to loose you as a customer or friend, but I will not bend my knee to this kind of tyranny being brought against anyone who will not subscribe to the liberal story line.


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... Don't want to loose you as a customer, but I will not bend my knee to this kind of tyranny being brought against anyone who will not subscribe to the liberal story line. ...
I don't care about your politics but I'm sorry to hear of your decision to deliberately hurt your business. It's your business, you get to decide. But, really, to complain about the consequences of a decision you yourself made to rub your customers' noses in your politics seems to be a bit self indulgent.

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I agree completely.
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