Kcbs elections

[GrillBillie_D]

Originally Posted by tduffy

Sounds like another direct violation of the bylaws by the BOD. Which board member told you this?

The Bylaws are a bit vague on elections. They only say that they must occur annually with electronic and written ballots as options. It doesn't really say when or who can vote.

[Slamdunkpro]

Originally Posted by GrillBillie_D

The Bylaws are a bit vague on elections. They only say that they must occur annually with electronic and written ballots as options. It doesn't really say when or who can vote.

This was on page 14 of the December Bullsheet:

"Reminder - Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th,
2018 to be eligible to vote in the 2019 Board of Directors Election.
Not sure about your membership, call the KCBS Office at 800-963-5227"

[Fat Freddy]

Rusty you are completely innocent in all of this and I personally am glad you brought this up.

Saying that, to me this is another example of a cluster fark. I know for sure as Slamdunkpro posted that you had to be a member in good standings by mid Dec. To me this is just another example of them making rules up as they go. Whats to keep someone from joining just to vote a certain way and or KCBS manipulating the scores? Something seems super fishy. Between conflict of interests on the board, all the closed door sessions, the entire new website and time it was started(election) and now this? I guess personally I have had my fill of what I perceive as some of the games going on

[Rusty Kettle]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

Rusty you are completely innocent in all of this and I personally am glad you brought this up.

Saying that, to me this is another example of a cluster fark. I know for sure as Slamdunkpro posted that you had to be a member in good standings by mid Dec. To me this is just another example of them making rules up as they go. Whats to keep someone from joining just to vote a certain way and or KCBS manipulating the scores? Something seems super fishy. Between conflict of interests on the board, all the closed door sessions, the entire new website and time it was started(election) and now this? I guess personally I have had my fill of what I perceive as some of the games going on

I honestly am not sure what the heck is going on. It does say it in the December
Bull sheet, I just looked it up in the archive on kcbs's website. Which is not at all what was communicated to me by KCBS. So yeah it sure looks odd. Luckily the same thing was communicated to a few other members. So at least people know I am not full of chit.
So far what I know is the following.

I was told I was fine to vote.
I voted. I posted this topic here. Was told basically I should not be able to vote due to my membership not being renewed in time. I posted a response because I was not aware of this rule. I contacted KCBS and was told I was fine to vote. Ok so then slamdunkpro posted that it said it in the bull sheet in December. I finished my response to kcbs and told them to come here and read the whole topic for themselves as slamdunkpro had questioned it based on the December Bullsheet.
Now I suppose we wait and see what happens next with this.

Talk about stepping on a land mine.

[Slamdunkpro]

Originally Posted by GrillBillie_D

The Bylaws are a bit vague on elections. They only say that they must occur annually with electronic and written ballots as options. It doesn't really say when or who can vote.

IANAL but my understanding is you have to make the election period public and finite. You can't just arbitrarily extend the membership in good standing date by 30 days. How many former KCBS members that might be interested thought they missed their window to renew and vote based on the published dates? This borders on deliberate disenfranchisement and may very well be grounds to challenge the election results.

[Burnt at Both Endz]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

Rusty you are completely innocent in all of this and I personally am glad you brought this up.

Saying that, to me this is another example of a cluster fark. I know for sure as Slamdunkpro posted that you had to be a member in good standings by mid Dec. To me this is just another example of them making rules up as they go. Whats to keep someone from joining just to vote a certain way and or KCBS manipulating the scores? Something seems super fishy. Between conflict of interests on the board, all the closed door sessions, the entire new website and time it was started(election) and now this? I guess personally I have had my fill of what I perceive as some of the games going on

Yeah, I'm done too. Just wish I'd not gotten the lifetime membership!

[GrillBillie_D]

I went back to the December Bullsheet and found some interesting things.

From the Randall Bowman's Presidents Corner statement:
"Voting will be done all online, so please make sure the KCBS office has your current email address so we can make sure you get the email links to vote." That statement alone is a violation of the Bylaws. Written paper ballots are always an option. This is from the President!

I also see where it states "Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th, 2018 to be eligible to vote" How will they explain this discrepancy?

[Slamdunkpro]

Originally Posted by GrillBillie_D

I also see where it states "Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th, 2018 to be eligible to vote" How will they explain this discrepancy?

"We had to extend the date for international members and due to website issues"

"Why haven't you published this information?"

"Herp derp herp derp - it's a secret" The lawyers told us to do it"

[Pappy Q]

Originally Posted by Rusty Kettle

I honestly am not sure what the heck is going on. It does say it in the December
Bull sheet, I just looked it up in the archive on kcbs's website. Which is not at all what was communicated to me by KCBS. So yeah it sure looks odd. Luckily the same thing was communicated to a few other members. So at least people know I am not full of chit.
So far what I know is the following.

I was told I was fine to vote.
I voted. I posted this topic here. Was told basically I should not be able to vote due to my membership not being renewed in time. I posted a response because I was not aware of this rule. I contacted KCBS and was told I was fine to vote. Ok so then slamdunkpro posted that it said it in the bull sheet in December. I finished my response to kcbs and told them to come here and read the whole topic for themselves as slamdunkpro had questioned it based on the December Bullsheet.
Now I suppose we wait and see what happens next with this.

Talk about stepping on a land mine.

Take a deep breath and chill. It’s just BBQ 🤪

[Rusty Kettle]

Originally Posted by Pappy Q

Take a deep breath and chill. It’s just BBQ 🤪

yeah I hear you. I said what I know and thats it. Beyond that if the board member I have been speaking to wants to chime in he can. It sounded like he was going to but maybe I misunderstood. I think he should speak up as it should be addressed.
As I understand it right now my vote counts.
I am not addressing it further unless something changes. If anyone wants to pm me they can but I really have nothing left to add. I recommend any further questions be directed to the board as really I am the guy that just blindly stepped in the mess.

[Jousting Pigs]

From the KCBS website today...

"There was an erroneous posting in the December Bullsheet concerning the KCBS elections. It stated “Reminder - Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th, 2018 to be eligible to vote in the 2019 Board of Directors Election. Not sure about your membership, call the KCBS Office at 800-963-5227”. We apologize for this mis-information. Current paid membership is required to vote and the election is open through January 16, 2019 at 5:00 central time. The BullSheet goes out to current membership and voting information has been communicated through board minutes, kcbs.us and social media. With the new platform and being able to communicate through more mediums, we fully hope and anticipate a higher voting percentage than years past. "

https://mms.kcbs.us/news_archive_hea...hp?org_id=KCBA

[Jorge]

Originally Posted by GrillBillie_D

I went back to the December Bullsheet and found some interesting things.

From the Randall Bowman's Presidents Corner statement:
"Voting will be done all online, so please make sure the KCBS office has your current email address so we can make sure you get the email links to vote." That statement alone is a violation of the Bylaws. Written paper ballots are always an option. This is from the President!

I also see where it states "Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th, 2018 to be eligible to vote" How will they explain this discrepancy?

Elsewhere, it's stated that member may request a paper ballot. The question about inconsistencies is more than fair though.

[Slamdunkpro]

Originally Posted by Jousting Pigs

From the KCBS website today...

"There was an erroneous posting in the December Bullsheet concerning the KCBS elections. It stated “Reminder - Your KCBS membership must be current as of December 15th, 2018 to be eligible to vote in the 2019 Board of Directors Election. Not sure about your membership, call the KCBS Office at 800-963-5227”. We apologize for this mis-information. Current paid membership is required to vote and the election is open through January 16, 2019 at 5:00 central time. The BullSheet goes out to current membership and voting information has been communicated through board minutes, kcbs.us and social media. With the new platform and being able to communicate through more mediums, we fully hope and anticipate a higher voting percentage than years past. "

https://mms.kcbs.us/news_archive_hea...hp?org_id=KCBA

It's sad that my first thought is "Posted because of an honest mistake (40 days after the fact) or posted because we got caught"

[Red Valley BBQ]

Originally Posted by Rusty Kettle

So I renewed my membership because of the requirement for membership to compete.

Since when?

[ewatts2003]

Originally Posted by red valley bbq

since when?

2019