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06-20-2013, 08:31 AM | #61 | |
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 01-11-08
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http://www.kcbs.us/news.php?id=513 http://www.kcbs.us/news.php?id=658 SOME ONE cheated, and the rep was helpd accountable for one year. SOME ONE wore an apron, and I was held accountable for three years. I don't disagree that there is more to both stories, but for a group who was so obsessed with the integrity and reputation of the brand, for a group who wants to be "The NFL of the BBQ World," does this further those goals? dmp |
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06-20-2013, 08:47 AM | #62 |
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So are these the only two people that have been punished by KCBS? Why are we comparing only these two?
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06-20-2013, 08:56 AM | #63 | |
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Join Date: 05-30-07
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It seems that there are a bunch of Rep advisories, etc. but, I don't see any Cook advisories letting us know what/who to watch out for..... |
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06-20-2013, 08:58 AM | #64 |
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because one offense is deemed a lapse of judgement and someone harshly punished that had nothing to do with it
and the other offense completely comprimised the entire integrity of the scoring system and got a hand slap in comparision |
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06-20-2013, 09:01 AM | #65 |
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Because the OP is the one serving the three year ban and he believes that his punishment is more severe for doing less.
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06-20-2013, 09:10 AM | #66 |
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What a great thread to read right before heading out to my first comp.
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06-20-2013, 09:28 AM | #67 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-10-11
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
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That being said, to the OP, they certainly are 2 very important scenarios that bring to light issues with how KCBS is run and how problems are currently dealt with. Hopefully going forward when conversations like these happen it can help turn the mirror on KCBS and tighten up how things are run and people/teams are treated fairly. The apron was bad, but not 3yrs plus probation bad. It doesn't sound like it was planned. The information presented about the falsifying scorecards seems premeditated and premeditated cheating/falsifying is not acceptable. A 1yr sentence on that is a joke and looks very bad for KCBS and how they deal with issues.
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06-20-2013, 10:36 AM | #68 | |
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Join Date: 12-31-10
Location: Albert City, Iowa
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I am not defending the apron issue, though I feel Daniel was punished to extremes, and I have no clue what happened at Myrtle Beach. But in my opinion the North Platte incident was much much worse and I personally am disgusted that the rep can be reinstated so soon. Sorry about not naming names earlier, I was trying to have fun with it before I got all pi$$ed off about it again.
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06-20-2013, 10:41 AM | #69 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 07-15-09
Location: Memphis, TN...Formerly of Decatur, AL
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Well, KCBS will never, EVER, see any of my money after this. Not even for a Restaurant Depot day pass if I never decide to actually compete one day.
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06-20-2013, 10:49 AM | #70 | |
somebody shut me the fark up.
Join Date: 01-10-11
Location: Lawrenceville, GA
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Cheating/falsifying is so much the worse offender here.
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06-20-2013, 11:07 AM | #71 | |
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Now, we don't even really know if we did or didn't. That sucks, especially for first timers that blow a bunch of money just to try it out. I applaud the BOD members that voted no.
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06-20-2013, 11:35 AM | #72 |
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Join Date: 08-26-11
Location: Douglasville, GA
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I guess I'm playing devil's advocate here, but when I read the KCBS article presented, I don't feel that the word "cheated" is correct to use in regards to the Reps.
It seems that the Mistake the reps made was not verifying that there were enough judges at each table, and fixing that issue. During the judging, it is my experience that the Reps are away from the cook tables. Is it possible that the Reps didn't realize the issue of being 2 judges short and didn't notice til time to tally up the scores? If that is possible, then it seems the judges did the best thing they could at that point. They averaged the other 4 cards to create the additional two scores, which seems to be the rule for "missing score cards" per KCBS. What I'm saying, is, from the first 4 pages of this thread, you would think the Reps falsified scores on purpose to help a team achieve a higher standing. From the KCBS meeting minutes, I don't see that as being the case in my eyes. Think of it this way....if they were trying to help out a team, why would they average the scores instead of taking the highest....Averaging probably lead to some 8's instead of 9's. Again, I may be playing devil's advocate, but I don't feel that anyone should be bashed when most of us only know the details listed in 4-5 lines on the KCBS website. Now I will also comment on the Apron subject, since like it or not, if you bring up this thread as a "response" to your punishment, you've got to know its going to be talked about..... As far as that situation, A person on the team made a deliberate choice to wear something inappropriate to awards. As the father of a small child, and knowing how many children were potentially in attendance, I have no remorse for any punishment of the individual, up to a permanent ban of KCBS events. For DMPRANTZ, I agree that as the team captain, its your job to be aware of who is on your team and you are responsible for those people. I do hope that the event and KCBS includes something along those lines in their rules and Regulations, as it should be. I would not dare include anyone on my team who would perform such a morally offensive act, and have no problems with KCBS or events banning/punishing teams who do. I think 1-2 years would have been sufficient, but we elect the KCBS officials, and they took a vote on it, so it is what it is. |
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06-20-2013, 11:47 AM | #73 |
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Join Date: 05-26-08
Location: Omaha, NE
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Well, based on my experience with a rules violation at a Sam's Club event nothing would have happened.
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06-20-2013, 11:54 AM | #74 | |
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BBQ Comps are real fun and you will meet some very good people indeed!!!
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06-20-2013, 11:54 AM | #75 | ||
is One Chatty Farker
Join Date: 01-11-08
Location: Nashville
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Respectfully....
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"cards were falsified in the two categories." The averaging procedure which you later describe is what I took to happen by the KCBS after the cheating had been detected, not the original actions. If some one knows more about this situation and would like to correct my enterpretation, please do so. Quote:
And, while I don't want to turn this into that long argument, I was not the "team captain," but was the "head cook," and again, that was because I filled out the applications. We were a team, not a military organization with ranks and hierarchy. What's more, despite all the yelling, the KCBS rules do not indicate that the head cook is responsible solely and punishable for the actions of all team members. That's a longer topic, but the implications that that is written are false. dmp |
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