First Brisket this weekend - need LOTS of help!

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We have been planning to celebrate my FIL's birthday this weekend while we're in town visiting my in-laws so I offered to smoke a pork shoulder or make pulled beef (pepper stout beef) since he loves BBQ. Well, I just got a call from my wife and found out that I am smoking a brisket that my MIL already has in their freezer. I believe it is a flat weighing around 4 lbs, but I'll have to take my scale out to confirm when I get there Friday night. Dinner will be at 5 on Sunday, so allowing for plenty of time to rest, I'd like to have it coming off the grill into a cooler around 1. I've been wanting to cook a brisket, but this is not exactly what I had in mind...

I know about Bluedawg's method to cook at 300 to cook a whole packer more quickly. Is there any reason this wouldn't work on just a smaller flat? I am thinking that if I start out cooking at 300 or so until I hit a certain IT, I can then cut the heat back to say 250 or so to give myself a wider window to work with when testing for probe tender to avoid over cooking.

I am thinking right now, based on the timeframes in Bludawg's post, that I'll get up around 5 to get the brisket on the smoker by 6. Assuming around 4 hours for the bark to set, I'll wrap in butcher paper (or foil if I cannot find any butcher paper in time), then cook another 30 minutes or so before starting to check for probe tenderness. I'm going to have a thermometer in the meat just to monitor temperature and progress so I can get a feel for when to lower the pit temp as the temp ramps up.

Anyone have any other thoughts? Do my timeframes seem reasonable for a 4 pound flat, or am I allowing too much time to cook? Will a flat this small do as well with a cooler hold for 4+/- hours as a full packer would or should I try to plan it to be done closer to meal time?
 
For reference, here is the Bludawgs brisket recipe/method that I referred to:

This is MUCH easier

BluDawgs Brisket

K.I S.S. some of the best brisket you will ever eat! Total cook time including the rest 8 hrs or less. I promise it will be as moist as mornin dew on the lilly, tender as a mothers love, pure beefy smoky goodness.

1 packer 12-15 lb
Trim off the hard fat on each side of the flat thin the fat cap to 1/4"

Mix your Rub
1 part kosher salt 4 parts Med grind Black peppa by volume( this is a true 50/50 BY weight)
apply a coat of rub you need to be able to see the meat through the rub clearly.

Pre heat the pit to 300 deg
place brisket on the pit Fat Cap Down and point to the firebox unless it is a RF cooker then point to away from the FB

Maintain pit between 275-325 if cookin on a stick burner
cook Brisket 4 hrs
remove from pit wrap in a single layer of Butcher paper Return to pit Fat cap up.
after 1 hr probe the thicket part of the Flat only! If it isn't *probe tender it should be within 1 hr.
once it is probe tender remove from the pit keep it wrapped in the paper you cooked it in and allow it to rest on your counter until the Internal temp reaches 150 this will take about two hrs.
Don't ever slice more than you can eat big pieces retain moisture and won't dry up on you like slices will.
*PROBE TENDER> This is the feel that is mimicked by cutting room temperature butter with a hot knife, there should be no drag
 
So you already have BluDawg's method, that's a good start.
For your first brisket, nobody did you a favor by having just a flat to cook. The danger is that it will be dry. You'll probably be able to wrap it before the 4-hour mark. I use butcher paper but you might want to use foil this time, here's why: have a disposable pan underneath the flat on a lower rack (if that is possible). When you foil it, pour in the liquid from the pan so the flat can braise and help it to stay moist. This will cut down on the bark but you can get some of that back by finishing the flat with no foil.
You can probably get away with not starting the cook so early in the morning.
Good luck!
 
So you already have BluDawg's method, that's a good start.
For your first brisket, nobody did you a favor by having just a flat to cook. The danger is that it will be dry. You'll probably be able to wrap it before the 4-hour mark. I use butcher paper but you might want to use foil this time, here's why: have a disposable pan underneath the flat on a lower rack (if that is possible). When you foil it, pour in the liquid from the pan so the flat can braise and help it to stay moist. This will cut down on the bark but you can get some of that back by finishing the flat with no foil.
You can probably get away with not starting the cook so early in the morning.
Good luck!

Are you thinking it might be dry due to lack of fat to render, or due to over/under-cooking since the window for proper doneness will be smaller?

Thanks for the quick feedback. At least I'm going to be taking my own kettle out there to cook on so I'll have a familiar cooker. That's 1 think in my favor...lol...
 
Are you thinking it might be dry due to lack of fat to render, or due to over/under-cooking since the window for proper doneness will be smaller?...

Both?

Just don't undercook it. It took me many attempts to get that through my thick head.

I like the sound of your S&P rub: that's all you really need. Just cook it, wrap it at some point, and cook until probe tender. I bet everyone will love it!
 
I would think 4lb flat is going to be fully cooked in 5 hrs or less, especially at 300 degrees.
 
I would think 4lb flat is going to be fully cooked in 5 hrs or less, especially at 300 degrees.

Thanks. I saw in another thread that you cook flats by themselves and wrap. What temp and how long do you cook them for, typically?
 
Thanks. I saw in another thread that you cook flats by themselves and wrap. What temp and how long do you cook them for, typically?

Just remember that the higher the temp, the narrower the window for pulling at the right time.
 
Just remember that the higher the temp, the narrower the window for pulling at the right time.

Right. That's why I'm thinking that if this brisket is really going to cook that quickly I can afford to go lower and give myself a bigger window to pull it at the right time.
 
Thanks. I saw in another thread that you cook flats by themselves and wrap. What temp and how long do you cook them for, typically?

I am certainly no expert, but I know what works for me. I try to keep the temp in the 225-250 range. You should have plenty of time to cook a small flat, so I would suggest letting it get up to wrapping temp slowly, and use a pan with some au jus to finish. You may end up have to hold it for a while, and that seem to be the best way to keep it moist if you finish early.... which Ive done a few times. (insert PE joke here).
 
Both?

Just don't undercook it. It took me many attempts to get that through my thick head.

I like the sound of your S&P rub: that's all you really need. Just cook it, wrap it at some point, and cook until probe tender. I bet everyone will love it!

I use a version of Big Bad Beef rub (from Amazingribs dotcom) for my brisket. I cut down on the black pepper though as I find this too peppery for my taste. They recommend salting the meat first, and separately, which I do when I am not running short on time. I highly recommend it.

Ingredients
3 tablespoon coarsely ground black pepper
1 tablespoon granulated white sugar
1 tablespoon onion powder
2 teaspoons mustard powder
2 teaspoons garlic powder
2 teaspoons chili or ancho powder
1 teaspoon chipotle or cayenne powder
 
I prefer Packers. I would cook it in a disposable foil pan on on of the racks made to fit in the pan - even Dollar tree has them. I'd add a little bit of beef broth. I'd start checking it at 3.5 hrs - probally take 4-5 hrs but you never know.
 
Unfortunately, there isn't much hope for a 4 lb flat, IMO. The big packers are hard enough to cook, tiny flats....no thanks.

That said, good luck with your cook.
 
I am certainly no expert, but I know what works for me. I try to keep the temp in the 225-250 range. You should have plenty of time to cook a small flat, so I would suggest letting it get up to wrapping temp slowly, and use a pan with some au jus to finish. You may end up have to hold it for a while, and that seem to be the best way to keep it moist if you finish early.... which Ive done a few times. (insert PE joke here).

Excellent information, thank you!
 
By slow cooking larger pieces of meat you're doing a few things knowingly or unknowingly.
You're buying time to render fat effectively.
You're adding more moisture to your cooking environment (cook chamber and within soft tissues).
You're slowing heat transfer into meat by adding mass to cooking environment.

These are some reasons why smoking a four pound brisket at three hundred seems counterintuitive to me. You're decreasing cook time not allowing fat to render properly while forcing out moisture rapidly that you can't afford to force out. The stall here is your friend and by cooking at higher temps you're reducing the stall. You're also decreasing the time that your meat is exposed to smoke.

It's not that you can't get moist and soft meat from a four pounder. People do it all the time in pressure cookers and slow cookers for things like pot roast and corned beef. Heck, you could sous vide a brisket at 140-150 degrees for days and have it come out awesome (it's not just temperature, it's time). It's about creating an environment that allows this to happen, and with a four pounder on a smoker the deck is stacked against you. Try to level the playing field with moisture, temperature, and time.
 
Just to add one more comment to the many great ones given above...

- I cook my packer briskets 1 hour for every lb at 250-275. (13lb - 13 hours)
- Cook with the point towards the fire (Or if heat source is under brisket, cook with fat cap down)
- Equal parts Salt and pepper. Coat the whole thing liberally. Don't look back!
- Wrap Briskets when meat has a mahogany/less than black color. Usually around 6-7 hours in. This is also around 155-160 internal temp.
- Pull brisket at 198-200. Place brisket in a cooler or the oven set at 170 for a few hours.
- Whole process should take however long to cook plus 2 hours. (13 lb brisket = 13 hours cook time + 2 hours of rest.)
 
By slow cooking larger pieces of meat you're doing a few things knowingly or unknowingly.
You're buying time to render fat effectively.
You're adding more moisture to your cooking environment (cook chamber and within soft tissues).
You're slowing heat transfer into meat by adding mass to cooking environment.

These are some reasons why smoking a four pound brisket at three hundred seems counterintuitive to me. You're decreasing cook time not allowing fat to render properly while forcing out moisture rapidly that you can't afford to force out. The stall here is your friend and by cooking at higher temps you're reducing the stall. You're also decreasing the time that your meat is exposed to smoke.

It's not that you can't get moist and soft meat from a four pounder. People do it all the time in pressure cookers and slow cookers for things like pot roast and corned beef. Heck, you could sous vide a brisket at 140-150 degrees for days and have it come out awesome (it's not just temperature, it's time). It's about creating an environment that allows this to happen, and with a four pounder on a smoker the deck is stacked against you. Try to level the playing field with moisture, temperature, and time.

That post makes a whole lot of sense. Thanks! I was planning to cook at 309 to make sure that it gets done in time. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like that is not likely to be a concern. My shifted thinking is to cook lower - 225 or 250 and wrap with a bit of au jus/beef broth on a pan to ensure moistness. Hopefully, I'll catch it early enough and be able to finish it unwrapped to re-set the bark.
 
Here's my thought.... Buy a whole packet brisket. Cook it. Along with the flat only your MIL bought. Flats are difficult to cook. They dry out and are mediocre unless you know what your doing or you get lucky. Packers are more forgive able when it comes to whole packers and just flats.

Cook your whole packet at whatever degree you want until it gets a nice color. Wrap that baby up and cook it till its probe tender. Cook the flat the same exact way. Let both of them rest and when it comes time to slice. If the flat is dry. CHOP IT UP! Nothing wrong with a little chopped brisket. As for the extra brisket and explaining it to your MIL. Tell her you wanted you make sure y'all had enough food. Good luck man! I look forward to the progress.
 
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