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Blue Kettle 02-03-2018 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by el luchador (Post 3944933)
lets say you had to drive a couple of hours to get a barrel, and a couple of hours back.

so, say 4 hours total.

you'll probably spend 2x that much time getting a lined drum ready. remove liner, grind outside paint off, repaint, etc.

So, would you rather spend 8 hours grinding out liner, or 4 hours driving listening to music?

I know what my choice would be.

HAHA. Good point. Still, my cheapness of not wanting to spend money on gas if I don't have to might still win out. Also this place that's a couple hours away is only open Monday through Friday so there's the matter of getting off work which is potentially problematic.

Czarbecue 02-03-2018 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Kettle (Post 3944936)
HAHA. Good point. Still, my cheapness of not wanting to spend money on gas if I don't have to might still win out. Also this place that's a couple hours away is only open Monday through Friday so there's the matter of getting off work which is potentially problematic.


Cough, sick day, cough.

Livinthelife 02-03-2018 12:59 AM

I don't know if anyone tried this but it worked for me pretty well. After a big fire to blister the paint inside and out, I put a few shovels of rock and a little sand with 5 or 10 gallons of water in my drum. Put the lid on with the clamp and rolled it around for a few minutes. Must be done before adding nipples of course.
It scrubbed it out pretty good. Made shinning it up wih a coarse scotch pad easy.

el luchador 02-03-2018 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Kettle (Post 3944936)
HAHA. Good point. Still, my cheapness of not wanting to spend money on gas if I don't have to might still win out. Also this place that's a couple hours away is only open Monday through Friday so there's the matter of getting off work which is potentially problematic.

prepping a lined drum is not free either.

Nuco59 02-03-2018 07:50 AM

"Since you ended up having to grind it from the inside anyway do you think that if you had done that from the beginning the burn would have been more effective? Or, were the fires necessary to make the grinding easier? If I could literally just grind I might actually prefer that to screwing with a toxic plastic fire in the backyard."

That liner (thin as it is) is pretty rugged- you "need" the fire to break it down. Even after a good burn, the liner removal is still tedious. IF you just wanted to tackle it with grinder/brush wheels/ flap wheels- I guess you could give it a go. Set it up horizontally on some saw horses and a "comfortable" height (it won't be comfortable for long) and get after it.

Blue Kettle 02-03-2018 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuco59 (Post 3945015)
"Since you ended up having to grind it from the inside anyway do you think that if you had done that from the beginning the burn would have been more effective? Or, were the fires necessary to make the grinding easier? If I could literally just grind I might actually prefer that to screwing with a toxic plastic fire in the backyard."

That liner (thin as it is) is pretty rugged- you "need" the fire to break it down. Even after a good burn, the liner removal is still tedious. IF you just wanted to tackle it with grinder/brush wheels/ flap wheels- I guess you could give it a go. Set it up horizontally on some saw horses and a "comfortable" height (it won't be comfortable for long) and get after it.

Okay. I think you all have me convinced. If I do this, new drum it is. Frankly at this point the pit barrel cooker or something similar with a porcelain enamel coating is starting to sound pretty attractive.

el luchador 02-03-2018 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Kettle (Post 3945051)
Okay. I think you all have me convinced. If I do this, new drum it is. Frankly at this point the pit barrel cooker or something similar with a porcelain enamel coating is starting to sound pretty attractive.

lol blue kettle you crack me up.

you say you are cheap and dont want to order a new drum for $101 but not so cheap that you dont mind spending $300 on a premade kit?


the pbc is a good UDS - you'll enjoy it.

remind me again why are you not just sticking to your kettle?

Blue Kettle 02-03-2018 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by el luchador (Post 3945056)
lol blue kettle you crack me up.

you say you are cheap and dont want to order a new drum for $101 but not so cheap that you dont mind spending $300 on a premade kit?


the pbc is a good UDS - you'll enjoy it.

remind me again why are you not just sticking to your kettle?

You know, I've been asking myself that also. The initial idea was I wanted something closer to set it and forget it and with longer burn times. An initial inquiry on my very first post on here had multiple people tell me a UDS was the way to go. I'm a do it yourselfer type so the idea of building my own smoker is cool to me. But I've also got some white elephants around the house where I've never finished projects. So for me, its a balance between how cool building a really functional smoker sounds, and the reality of possibly ending up with a bucket of bolts taking up space in the garage that I never get done the way I want to. In which case the spending some additional cash and getting a PBC or Barrel House Cooker or Smokey Mountain sounds pretty good.

I know, it's sort of nutty.

dadsr4 02-03-2018 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by el luchador (Post 3945056)
lol blue kettle you crack me up.

you say you are cheap and dont want to order a new drum for $101 but not so cheap that you dont mind spending $300 on a premade kit?


the pbc is a good UDS - you'll enjoy it.

remind me again why are you not just sticking to your kettle?

https://i.imgur.com/YLzJLJl.jpg

el luchador 02-03-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Kettle (Post 3945058)
You know, I've been asking myself that also. The initial idea was I wanted something closer to set it and forget it and with longer burn times. An initial inquiry on my very first post on here had multiple people tell me a UDS was the way to go. I'm a do it yourselfer type so the idea of building my own smoker is cool to me. But I've also got some white elephants around the house where I've never finished projects. So for me, its a balance between how cool building a really functional smoker sounds, and the reality of possibly ending up with a bucket of bolts taking up space in the garage that I never get done the way I want to. In which case the spending some additional cash and getting a PBC or Barrel House Cooker or Smokey Mountain sounds pretty good.

I know, it's sort of nutty.

I wont try to convince you either way as only you know your personal situation but building a uds from an unlined drum and metal bucket is something that will take you two hours if you take an hour long break while building it.

good luck with whatever decision you take.

while contemplating your choice you should work on the temp management of your kettle - for starters, the bottom adjustment are too big for fine control of air. I would try closing that off and controlling the "pit" with just the top vents. put as much charcoal as you can pile on one side.

if you cant get it with just the top vents, then drill a new intake hole/s that have fine adjustability.

you might be able to solve your issue without spending more than 5 bucks.

Blue Kettle 02-03-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by el luchador (Post 3945115)
I wont try to convince you either way as only you know your personal situation but building a uds from an unlined drum and metal bucket is something that will take you two hours if you take an hour long break while building it.

good luck with whatever decision you take.

while contemplating your choice you should work on the temp management of your kettle - for starters, the bottom adjustment are too big for fine control of air. I would try closing that off and controlling the "pit" with just the top vents. put as much charcoal as you can pile on one side.

if you cant get it with just the top vents, then drill a new intake hole/s that have fine adjustability.

you might be able to solve your issue without spending more than 5 bucks.

Thanks. I was THIS close to ordering a BBQ guru party Q one day to get the set it and forget it thing, but I'm a bit unsure of drilling a hole in the kettle. It has sentimental value to me even if that sounds sort of nuts also.

dadsr4 02-03-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Kettle (Post 3945151)
Thanks. I was THIS close to ordering a BBQ guru party Q one day to get the set it and forget it thing, but I'm a bit unsure of drilling a hole in the kettle. It has sentimental value to me even if that sounds sort of nuts also.

Mines 39 years old and I can't get myself to drill a hole for the temperature probe.:roll:

Czarbecue 02-03-2018 01:57 PM

So I have about 5 real cooks in my UDS with the vortex charcoal box. I thought it would be a set it and forget it but it's just like my old WSM. I'm constantly adjusting the intake because my temps will bounce from 225 to 325, but I do like how I can change the temps on the dime... it just travels sometimes. But once I wrapped, it cruised at 298 for 2 hours and leveled out at 275 for the next 4. But that was already at the 7 hour mark though. The obvious factors are my spritzing time but still... I figured it would be more stable than this.

Maybe it's time for that guru?

dadsr4 02-03-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Czarbecue (Post 3945225)
So I have about 5 real cooks in my UDS with the vortex charcoal box. I thought it would be a set it and forget it but it's just like my old WSM. I'm constantly adjusting the intake because my temps will bounce from 225 to 325, but I do like how I can change the temps on the dime... it just travels sometimes. But once I wrapped, it cruised at 298 for 2 hours and leveled out at 275 for the next 4. But that was already at the 7 hour mark though. The obvious factors are my spritzing time but still... I figured it would be more stable than this.

Maybe it's time for that guru?

You open the lid to spritz, the coals get a big gulp of oxygen. Think of it as opening a 22.5" diameter intake. Try shutting the vents before opening the lid.

el luchador 02-03-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Czarbecue (Post 3945225)
So I have about 5 real cooks in my UDS with the vortex charcoal box. I thought it would be a set it and forget it but it's just like my old WSM. I'm constantly adjusting the intake because my temps will bounce from 225 to 325, but I do like how I can change the temps on the dime... it just travels sometimes. But once I wrapped, it cruised at 298 for 2 hours and leveled out at 275 for the next 4. But that was already at the 7 hour mark though. The obvious factors are my spritzing time but still... I figured it would be more stable than this.

Maybe it's time for that guru?

With the uds if you open the lid the temps will jump big-time and only way to get it down quickly would be to spray water on it.

You also have to sneak up on. The temps. And it doesn't take a lot of intake for the temps to run away from you.

Having said that, an auto controller is not a bad idea.


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