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Kevin Garceau 04-08-2008 06:56 AM

1000th post may be cool....but the 1001st post is just one betta :)

Bbq Bubba 04-08-2008 07:55 AM

Thanks for the extra pics Jerry, i understand now, pretty cool idea!! :cool:

Dr_KY 04-08-2008 10:00 AM

I didn't find a need for high temp paint and went with a basic black from the hardware store. In fact they run so stedy that I have a vinal sticker on the side and it's still in place.

I would burn it out just because it's god fun to play with fire. Once the burn is dome and has been cleaned then grad a stick of lard and season the brum.


Post 1003 and the first picture after breaking a grand rules.

http://i29.tinypic.com/dct2jk.jpg

h20loo 04-08-2008 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 608629)
I didn't find a need for high temp paint and went with a basic black from the hardware store. In fact they run so stedy that I have a vinal sticker on the side and it's still in place.

I would burn it out just because it's god fun to play with fire. Once the burn is dome and has been cleaned then grad a stick of lard and season the brum.


Just back from the pub DR K?? Not your usual spellingLOL!

I haven't been able to keep stickers on mine but they just fall off- I will try again once the temp stays above freezing.

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-09-2008 03:04 AM

Pic's of the charcoal basket
 
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I have run the charcoal basket through the break , its an octagonal basket with top dimension of @ 16 Dia and slops to a @ 12 octagonal base , 10 inches high -

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-09-2008 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 608629)
I would burn it out just because it's god fun to play with fire. Once the burn is dome and has been cleaned then grad a stick of lard and season the brum.

I have to agree with the Dr, I took the weed burner out for a joy ride after dinner tonight and I must say, it's phenomenal. I burned off two lids, extra crispy. they are not kidding about the jet engine wine these things put out, and the flames are spectacular.

one note to other first time users , is burn beyond black, at black you have only charred the paint. burn until you get a powdery gray or tan, you will see the paint start to ignite in small crumbly flakes.

it's a real shame that the local association will probably ban these in the next day or so.... man are these loud!!!

STX Cue 04-09-2008 12:42 PM

So having made it through all of the 1006 posts the proceeded this one, I have decided that I am going to do a little building this weekend if the weather holds. I have no idea why you guys couldn't have just offered one way of building it. Now I have decisions to make: four 1/2 inch intakes or one big one with the elevated valve? Drill several small holes in the lid or make one big one with a cool looking chrome exhaust?

You couldn't make it simple, could you?:biggrin:

Man, I am so excited about this I can hardly stand it. I may have to take tomorrow off to get started early!

The good news is that I can't even SEE my neighbors, so I don't have to worry about them complaining about the pear burner doing its thing. Of course it hasn't really rained here in months...that could be problematic.

If I do get started this weekend, rest assured that drum pron will be forthcoming...

Rookie'48 04-09-2008 10:03 PM

I've always figured that the neighbor who complains now, don't get fed later:twisted:.

jeffjenkins1 04-10-2008 09:20 AM

OK, I built my drum last weekend and I went with 4 - 3/4" intake holes, and I drilled 6 - 1/2" outlets in the lid. The outlets are evenly spaced and three inches in from the outside edge.

It ran great, burned for 10 hours on 10 pounds of charcoal. Except, it would not get over 225 degrees with all 4 intakes open.

The problem, IMHO, is that the outlets are not allowing enough flow. What do you guys think?

I am planning on drilling the six outlets out to 3/4" and see if my theory is correct.

Jeff

Dr_KY 04-10-2008 09:35 AM

I believe you have it sussed Jeff. :cool:

Barbarian 04-10-2008 11:54 AM

I would just make those four 3/4" holes into four 1" holes.
I have four 1" holes all with elbows, two have 3" pipes with caps and two have 24" pipes with elbows at the top for the magnet air controls.
No problem getting to 275*. Once it hits 190 I cap the two short ones and control the final temp with the magnets.

Mark 04-10-2008 12:47 PM

My approach allows me to exceed 400 deg. F and maintain control. Click below to see:
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...4&postcount=16

ipls3355 04-10-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffjenkins1 (Post 610348)
The problem, IMHO, is that the outlets are not allowing enough flow. What do you guys think?

Yes, I went from 4 3/4" holes to 8 and temps improved greatly

Mark 04-10-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ipls3355 (Post 610541)
Yes, I went from 4 3/4" holes to 8 and temps improved greatly

Yup, but now you have 8 handles to adjust. I only have 1.

BobBrisket 04-10-2008 02:46 PM

Well, I run my UDS with only 3, 3/4 holes and a Weber lid which only has four holes on it and I end having to run it with only one intake about half way open or the temps spike quick. With that configuration there is no problem keeping temps in the 225-250 range.

Mark 04-10-2008 04:03 PM

Yeah, I understand. But what if, for example, uou want to grill a pizza or finish some chicken crispy? You might not have enuf intake air.

jeffjenkins1 04-10-2008 10:43 PM

I am going to try the larger holes in the lid. I will only drill 3 of the 6 so my airflow will stay consistent. Right now, I can put the thermometer anywhare on the cooking grill and it reads withen 10 degrees.

Jeff

Dr_KY 04-12-2008 01:10 PM

Decided copy another brother here to make a new and wider stainless basket today. All that's left is to make several larger holes so the ash falls through...

http://i29.tinypic.com/r1d8cl.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/24estjl.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2jeuyq8.jpg

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-13-2008 02:25 AM

Nice basket Dr KY,

Dr_KY 04-13-2008 04:10 AM

Thanks HLS The idea came from JD I just adapted it to a no weld design.

Dr_KY 04-14-2008 05:04 AM

Added a clip so I can hang the lid on the side of the drum..
http://i28.tinypic.com/npqfde.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/1607spx.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/2cr6d0m.jpg

puff 04-14-2008 06:49 PM

Once again another great idea! Thanks! :biggrin:

JD McGee 04-14-2008 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 612171)
Decided copy another brother here to make a new and wider stainless basket today. All that's left is to make several larger holes so the ash falls through...

http://i29.tinypic.com/r1d8cl.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/24estjl.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2jeuyq8.jpg

That looks fairly familiar...:biggrin: FYI Doc...that design does not like lump charcoal. I had to re-light mine 3 times Sunday at Paul Kirk's class...it kept cloggin' up at the bottom. If you wanna burn lump...use a charcoal grate (style) for the bottom. It was my first time using lump (provided by the class)...briqs work like a charm and will hold a low-n-slow forever...I used 3/4 holes in the bottom.

Dr_KY 04-15-2008 02:33 AM

OH NOW you tell me!!! Just kidding. lololololol

Thanks for the info JD I'll slice some slots and drill some hols in it this weekend. So the 3.4 holes wernt big enough or could it hace been just too few?

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-15-2008 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark (Post 532414)
You don't need it Art. And unless you can idefinately dentify what kind of rubber it is (and its silicone) you don't want it.


I did get silicone , does that mean i want them? or can use them ? any idea what heat range they may take ?

Kidcurry73 04-15-2008 12:48 PM

On my way!!!!!!
 
WOW...what a thread, I am officially giving it Legendary Thread status...:wink:

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08162/legen...medium_171.jpg

Anyway, I am on my way to building my first UDS. I recently acquired 4 55 gallons drums for 5 bucks each and a older weber 22 inch grill for FREE!!. From the E on the vent I believe it to be a 1983 model. Its almost in too good of shape to ruin. It is missing its ash pan but thats easy to work around. I will be keeping it around and only borrowing the grates and lid for my UDS. I also have a brinkman electric smoken'grill that the neighbor was tossing out so I grabbed it for my ash pan/fire grate holder upper thinggy.:eusa_clapSmoker and food pron ASAP!

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08162/grill379.jpg

http://xs226.xs.to/xs226/08162/vent725.jpg

Mark 04-16-2008 09:11 AM

A silicone o-ring should be OK up to around 300 deg. F.

jdub 04-16-2008 09:20 AM

Thinking out loud
 
a 90 degree bend on the inside of each air intake. Swirl the air inside a bit to get a bit more "convection" and smooth out temps across the grates.

Eh? Whaddya think?

Kidcurry73 04-16-2008 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdub (Post 615013)
a 90 degree bend on the inside of each air intake. Swirl the air inside a bit to get a bit more "convection" and smooth out temps across the grates.

Eh? Whaddya think?

I have actually been thinking the same thing, point them in the same direction (left or right not up or down). Anyone with thermal convection dynamic knowledge. (is that even a thing :rolleyes:)

Dr_KY 04-17-2008 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdub (Post 615013)
a 90 degree bend on the inside of each air intake. Swirl the air inside a bit to get a bit more "convection" and smooth out temps across the grates.

Eh? Whaddya think?


I couldn't get all the way to 90* but...



http://i29.tinypic.com/2928i85.jpg


:lol::lol::lol:

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-19-2008 04:59 AM

Dr, there is a kink in your pipe :oops:

Dr_KY 04-19-2008 06:22 AM

lol Not for long though. I'll be cutting sections of that for my next drum build for a friend in the next few days.. I had planed on using it for an intake on mine but money talks. :cool:

JD McGee 04-19-2008 10:42 AM

I've been thinkin'...has anyone tried putting an access panel on their drums...ala WSM? It would have helped a lot last weekend when I was having' issues burning lump in my briq basket. I've got a few more drums laying around I can chop up...I think I'll come up with a sketch and see what you guys think.

JD McGee 04-19-2008 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kidcurry73 (Post 614315)
WOW...what a thread, I am officially giving it Legendary Thread status...:wink:




Anyway, I am on my way to building my first UDS. I recently acquired 4 55 gallons drums for 5 bucks each and a older weber 22 inch grill for FREE!!. From the E on the vent I believe it to be a 1983 model. Its almost in too good of shape to ruin. It is missing its ash pan but thats easy to work around. I will be keeping it around and only borrowing the grates and lid for my UDS. I also have a brinkman electric smoken'grill that the neighbor was tossing out so I grabbed it for my ash pan/fire grate holder upper thinggy.:eusa_clapSmoker and food pron ASAP!




Awesome...is it done yet??? :twisted:

Dr_KY 04-19-2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee (Post 617307)
I've been thinkin'...has anyone tried putting an access panel on their drums...ala WSM? It would have helped a lot last weekend when I was having' issues burning lump in my briq basket. I've got a few more drums laying around I can chop up...I think I'll come up with a sketch and see what you guys think.

Big Mista has a door on his are you thinking of going with a slider?

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-19-2008 05:06 PM

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I took closed drum and took both ends off
then I use two lids from open head drums to form the top and bottom

the ring binders seal them up tight and i can take the drum tube off as needed for cleaning , fuel issues and such

bigtex52 04-20-2008 02:41 PM

Nice job, HL&S! My next go, I may do the same. I built my first last weekend and can't get over how long a basket of lump lasts. I decided to let it burn itself out last night and it had other ideas about it. After burning for over 24 hrs at 230, it is still holding steady! One thing I haven't figured out, the bark on my meat isn't quite what it was on my offset. It doesn't get hard and crusty, but stays soft and moist. I have also noticed when I pull the lid to turn the meat that there is quite a bit of condensate on the bottom of the lid. Anybody else have similar things?

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-20-2008 03:04 PM

I went with 8 1/2 holes in the top and find the same issues

I placed them further in than many to try to even out the anticipated grill level temperature differences, so they are in a 12 inch centered circle pattern. but I'm considering making them bigger, perhaps up to 3/4 inch to get less exhaust restriction with I think may be the cause of the condensate

Dr_KY 04-20-2008 03:08 PM

I don't mind it at all as it only means there is more moisture inside the drum and I think thats a good thing.

bigtex52 04-20-2008 04:21 PM

I thought about that, Dr_KY, but it is dripping on the meat and it appears to be a mixture of water, soot and maybe even some creosote. I tasted it and it has a sour/acrid/bitter flavor. ???

JD McGee 04-20-2008 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 617313)
Big Mista has a door on his are you thinking of going with a slider?

Haven't thought about a slider...probably a bottom or side hinged.

JD McGee 04-20-2008 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtex52 (Post 617939)
Nice job, HL&S! My next go, I may do the same. I built my first last weekend and can't get over how long a basket of lump lasts. I decided to let it burn itself out last night and it had other ideas about it. After burning for over 24 hrs at 230, it is still holding steady! One thing I haven't figured out, the bark on my meat isn't quite what it was on my offset. It doesn't get hard and crusty, but stays soft and moist. I have also noticed when I pull the lid to turn the meat that there is quite a bit of condensate on the bottom of the lid. Anybody else have similar things?


Yep...had her loaded to the gills with 5 dozen chicken thighs on two racks last week and it was runnin down all sides!

Before...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...n/IMG_4013.jpg

After...

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...IMG_4025-1.jpg

Bbq Bubba 04-20-2008 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee (Post 617307)
I've been thinkin'...has anyone tried putting an access panel on their drums...ala WSM? It would have helped a lot last weekend when I was having' issues burning lump in my briq basket. I've got a few more drums laying around I can chop up...I think I'll come up with a sketch and see what you guys think.

Only prob i see is that the door has to be airtite, hard to do, for any air leakage will negate the long, controlled burn time we are able to achieve.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigtex52 (Post 617939)
Nice job, HL&S! My next go, I may do the same. I built my first last weekend and can't get over how long a basket of lump lasts. I decided to let it burn itself out last night and it had other ideas about it. After burning for over 24 hrs at 230, it is still holding steady! One thing I haven't figured out, the bark on my meat isn't quite what it was on my offset. It doesn't get hard and crusty, but stays soft and moist. I have also noticed when I pull the lid to turn the meat that there is quite a bit of condensate on the bottom of the lid. Anybody else have similar things?

What are you using for an exhaust?
Are you burning to much wood or getting "bad" smoke?

Hook_Line_and_Sinker 04-21-2008 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee (Post 617307)
I've been thinkin'...has anyone tried putting an access panel on their drums...ala WSM? It would have helped a lot last weekend when I was having' issues burning lump in my briq basket. I've got a few more drums laying around I can chop up...I think I'll come up with a sketch and see what you guys think.


Yes air tight is the issue on thin gage with a curve , if you have a roller and some trial and error time I'm sure you can get the metal matched up but then you will need to work out a way to fasten it and make it easy to operate as well

thats why I chose the open bottom the seal is air tight! I got a 35 hour burn with 12 lbs of kingsford, could have gone longer but i wanted to clear the ash and cook more

Mark 04-21-2008 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee (Post 617307)
I've been thinkin'...has anyone tried putting an access panel on their drums...ala WSM? It would have helped a lot last weekend when I was having' issues burning lump in my briq basket. I've got a few more drums laying around I can chop up...I think I'll come up with a sketch and see what you guys think.

Yep.

JD McGee 04-21-2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hook_Line_and_Sinker (Post 618322)
Yes air tight is the issue on thin gage with a curve , if you have a roller and some trial and error time I'm sure you can get the metal matched up but then you will need to work out a way to fasten it and make it easy to operate as well

No worries matching the curve...I've got plenty of identical drums to play with.:biggrin:

thats why I chose the open bottom the seal is air tight! I got a 35 hour burn with 12 lbs of kingsford, could have gone longer but i wanted to clear the ash and cook more

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 618403)
Yep.

Thanks for the ideas Mark...:idea:

Dr_KY 04-27-2008 07:56 AM

JD you were right as usual that basket STILL needs more holes. I may just cut most of the bottom our and use a grate.

JD McGee 04-27-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 622877)
JD you were right as usual that basket STILL needs more holes. I may just cut most of the bottom our and use a grate.

That's my plan as well...eventually. I rarely use lump in the drum and the basket (as is) works great for Kingsford briqs.

Dr_KY 04-27-2008 12:05 PM

I was cutting holes into it today and put a small load of lump in and had shake it several times. I usually use a mixture of both with the other basket and it runs fine.

chinesebob 04-27-2008 12:41 PM

Ok, Started on Drums 2 and 3. Burned them out really well, but went to use the wire brush on the angle grinder and it sounded like thunder. Would drilling the holes into the bottom make it quieter?

Bought 1 inch pipe but forgot to get the 1 1/8" stepdown so tried to cut out the holes with the torch. That was a mistake, or I need to put on a smaller torch tip....

Learning is never easy, but always fun.


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