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ipls3355 08-26-2007 11:30 AM

OK, I'm about ready to throw in the towel. I've built a brush fire in the drums, that worked fine for the outside paint. Attacked the inside with a barage or wire wheels, brushes and pads, that didn't do it. Torching them from the outside with a weed burner then wire wheels again still not getting all the inside paint. What the hell am I doing wrong?

Smokin Gator 08-26-2007 11:34 AM

I wish I could help... but I have never seen one with paint on the inside. The last one I did had some kind of coating as it was a food grade drum but it burned off albiet with some pretty big fires.

I would try burning again with wood. Get it really cranked up so flames are coming out of the top of the drum. If that doesn't get it then I would just look for a different drum.

Best of luck...

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 11:44 AM

I'm with Gator on the burn. One or two flaming fires with thin and dry wood pieces. Long, short, twigs, small logs, some large enough to stick out the top a foot or so. This has always worked for mine. Good luck.:shock:

ipls3355 08-26-2007 12:02 PM

I've definately been there. I thought these were food grade drums and this was the coating you're talking about, but it is stubborn chit.
Here it is after the burn and I started with the wire wheel
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn1.jpg

Here it is after wheel
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn2.jpg

I am not getting much more off with the weed burner. (but I am having fun burning the weeds in my driveway)

N8man 08-26-2007 05:25 PM

Big Burn
 
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I had to burn mine three times with Big Fire....
Attachment 9579
I used 5 Freight Pallets for fuel, it did the trick!

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 05:32 PM

:twisted: One thing I found a little helpful is to go ahead and drill the bottom holes before the burn. Seems to give a little more draft and hotter fire. IMHO!

Rub-A-Dub 08-26-2007 08:11 PM

can u get it sand blasted that should work

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:10 PM

:cool: The idea is doing it as cheep as possible...burning is kind of traditional for a UDS. Depending on sand blasting cost, you might look into a new barrel. Around here they are $65.00 new. I have found garage sale Webers for about $5.00 and you get the lid, both grates, and maybe a few extras, depending on which one you find. Again, cheap is kinda cool. And, they work fantastic!!!:eusa_clap

jgh1204 08-26-2007 09:18 PM

See the beginning of the thread for my burn out experience.

ipls3355 08-26-2007 09:26 PM

I thought of drilling the bottom holes to get a hotter fire. I was looking at the pics I posted and notices they looked a lot better then the drums looked today. It was real hot here, then I went on vacation so its been a couple weeks since I worked on these. I am not used to working with metal and didn't realize how quickly they would show surface rust (even though they are in the garage). I was dealing with more rust then paint which is why it wasn't burning off. I worked them over again and this time sprayed them with PAM since it will probably be a week till I touch them again. I'm excited about this project again.
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn3.jpg

I did have some good help today
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/girls1.jpg

Brian in So Cal 08-26-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meat Burner (Post 450519)
The controls are sooooo easy. Mine all have 4 1/2" ball valves. Get the temp up initially and close all half way down and it will cruise for hours and hours at 225-235.

Can you tell me how high from the bottom you drilled the 1/2 " holes.

Thanks,
Brian

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipls3355 (Post 451030)
I thought of drilling the bottom holes to get a hotter fire. I was looking at the pics I posted and notices they looked a lot better then the drums looked today. It was real hot here, then I went on vacation since I worked on these. I am not used to working with metal and didn't realize how quickly they would show surface rust (even though they are in the garage). I worked them over again and this time sprayed them with PAM since it will probably be a week till I touch them again.
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn3.jpg

That bad boy is ready for a fire with meat loaded on the grates. Good job...now get to Q'in.8) 8)

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:33 PM

Brian, 2" - 3" from the bottom is what I do. IMO, it allows some air under the firebasket for better circulation. I also use long (4" pipe nipples so the grate and/or firebasket will rest on them...up off the bottom of the barrel. Hope that helps, but check other posts for ideas as well.

Brian in So Cal 08-26-2007 09:39 PM

When you do the charcoal do you use the Minion Method for the long smoke?

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:45 PM

Brian, I put about 810 lbs of charcoal/lump and a few splits of whatever wood I have, then start about half chimney of charcoal and put it on top in the middle of the unlit. I get 8-10 hours this way. Bigmista is the master of the UDS. Check out some of his threads. I can get long, and I mean long burns, with more charcoal and shake or stir the basket from time to time. You will be really happy with the quality of Q this thing produces. The juices fall into the coal and burst smoke flavor all around...YUM YUM YUM!!!!!

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:47 PM

:eek: That is 8-10 lbs...not 810 lbs. No wander these things burn so long.:oops:

Brian in So Cal 08-26-2007 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meat Burner (Post 451044)
Brian, I put about 810 lbs of charcoal/lump and a few splits of whatever wood I have, !!

Hey meat burner, I am not sure I can find 810 lbs of charcoal.:-D Thanks for the tips. I have a drum just would like to get started on it. Going to pick up the items tomorrw.

Thanks again,
brian

Brian in So Cal 08-26-2007 09:50 PM

I see I did not post fast enough.

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian in So Cal (Post 451049)
Hey meat burner, I am not sure I can find 810 lbs of charcoal.:-D Thanks for the tips. I have a drum just would like to get started on it. Going to pick up the items tomorrw.

Thanks again,
brian

:oops: :oops: Check my edit. :icon_smil

Meat Burner 08-26-2007 09:52 PM

We bad!!! Enjoy the UDS...you will be very very happy you did it.

Bentley 08-26-2007 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipls3355 (Post 451030)
I thought of drilling the bottom holes to get a hotter fire. I was looking at the pics I posted and notices they looked a lot better then the drums looked today. It was real hot here, then I went on vacation so its been a couple weeks since I worked on these. I am not used to working with metal and didn't realize how quickly they would show surface rust (even though they are in the garage). I was dealing with more rust then paint which is why it wasn't burning off. I worked them over again and this time sprayed them with PAM since it will probably be a week till I touch them again. I'm excited about this project again.
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn3.jpg


And I thought I got mine shinie! You did good brother!

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n90/lwnna/UDS010.jpg

brdbbq 08-27-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ipls3355 (Post 451030)
I thought of drilling the bottom holes to get a hotter fire. I was looking at the pics I posted and notices they looked a lot better then the drums looked today. It was real hot here, then I went on vacation so its been a couple weeks since I worked on these. I am not used to working with metal and didn't realize how quickly they would show surface rust (even though they are in the garage). I was dealing with more rust then paint which is why it wasn't burning off. I worked them over again and this time sprayed them with PAM since it will probably be a week till I touch them again. I'm excited about this project again.
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn3.jpg

I did have some good help today
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/girls1.jpg

How did you get it so clean ?

keale 08-27-2007 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian in So Cal (Post 451049)
Hey meat burner, I am not sure I can find 810 lbs of charcoal.:-D Thanks for the tips. I have a drum just would like to get started on it. Going to pick up the items tomorrw.

Thanks again,
brian

Ask Pat, I hear he has a Rancher stash at his house!:-P

Brian in So Cal 08-27-2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keale (Post 451339)
Ask Pat, I hear he has a Rancher stash at his house!:-P

You mean like this one.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m.../marine016.jpg

ipls3355 08-27-2007 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brdbbq (Post 451245)
How did you get it so clean ?

Blood, sweat and tears....and a little of this
http://home.mchsi.com/~rankin/burn4.jpg

can't hardly lift my arms today

Norcoredneck 08-27-2007 11:07 PM

Save a little.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...redneck/16.gif
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...oredneck/8.gif

Brian in So Cal 08-28-2007 08:25 PM

The problem is I don't save, I always by other stuff when I go there.:roll: :-D

Norcoredneck 08-28-2007 08:35 PM

Restraint Brother.

Brian in So Cal 08-28-2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 452349)
Restraint Brother.


Okay, I got to know. Is that you submitting an offer for the Klose on ebay?:razz:

If so I hope you get it.

Norcoredneck 08-29-2007 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian in So Cal (Post 452408)
Okay, I got to know. Is that you submitting an offer for the Klose on ebay?:razz:

If so I hope you get it.

http://byandlarge.net/scuttlebutt/images/pigs-balls.jpg

Low Balled

jdub 08-29-2007 10:13 AM

What a great read.........
 
Greeting from the New Hampshire Seacoast.
Well, this looks like a winter project for sure. Just looks too good to be true!
I am originally from Middle Tennessee, and we had a few good BBQ joints around. Since I got the bug and started doing this I have noticed that most cookers are built to use indirect heat, but all the pits I went to growing up used some type of cooking directly over the coals. Maybe that is something that I can add back to the arsenal. I do have a Hasty Bake that you can cook over the coals, but it is a drafty fuel hog and it is hard to keep the temps down.
I doubt there is a question unanswered in these many pages, but I have a request-does anyone here have any "complete failure" stories from their UDS? Just trying to think of what not to do as well as what to do.

motley que 08-29-2007 10:16 AM

no such thing as a complete failure with and UDS

swamprb 08-29-2007 10:37 AM

Yeah! I took someones advice not to turn the meats, not a complete failure, but I was not pleased with the finished product. Since then I always turn and have not been disappointed!

Brian

Brian in So Cal 08-29-2007 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 452501)

i didn't need to see that before dinner.:-o

Browser 09-01-2007 06:51 AM

It's official, I HATE you guys with a passion!!!!!!:-D
Here was I, progressing along life's highway like a happy boy, when I discover you'r forum. Not only has it driven me to purchase a Weber Go Anywhere grill and a Rapidfire chimney starter whilst pursuing inventive ways of retaining moisture in my meat whilst grilling, now (despite collecting several old propane cylinders to build a reverse offset) I'm giving very serious consideration to building a UDS!!!! A local company sells drums on Ebay for £7.00 (I might even be able to get one from work gratis), the cooking grilles are about £14.00 each new from Weber or I'll buy a sheet of expanded stainless mesh and make 'em, I can get valves for air regulation from the skip at work, I've already got some steel to make a base frame and I think there's some castors lurking in my shed and the results you've all had look sooooo tasty.
What's stopping me? SWMBO saying "but I though you were going to make one out of gas cylinders?"!!!!!:-D
I hate you lot:razz:
p.s. when I build one (see, when not if you gits!!!!) is there any point including a water pan in the design, purely to keep the meat moist, or is this wasted effort?

Meat Burner 09-01-2007 09:05 AM

:mrgreen: Browser, not turning back now!!!!!! No need for a water pan...don't use them in a UDS. I hated myself so bad after I built my first one, I built 3 more. Good luck and post the progress.:mrgreen:

Brian in So Cal 09-01-2007 09:00 PM

Quick question, I want to do the burn on my drum, I saw someone used wood and piled it high. I was going to do the same thing and realized that the wood I have is hardwood like eukalptis and oak (Yea I know, Spelled it wrong). Can I use these woods are will it mess it up for cooking.

Thanks,
Brian

P.S. I also have a chitload of pine. But i know better. Also a lot of 2x4's which I know is also pine. I saw a picture on someone in this thread using that.

swamprb 09-01-2007 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian in So Cal (Post 454493)
Quick question, I want to do the burn on my drum, I saw someone used wood and piled it high. I was going to do the same thing and realized that the wood I have is hardwood like eukalptis and oak (Yea I know, Spelled it wrong). Can I use these woods are will it mess it up for cooking.

Thanks,
Brian

P.S. I also have a chitload of pine. But i know better. Also a lot of 2x4's which I know is also pine. I saw a picture on someone in this thread using that.

Are you burning off the lining? If so, just start a raging fire in it and let it get as big and hot without setting SoCal ablaze, you could layer/stack the wood in it and if you know where the intakes are going to be drill the holes now before you strike the match and really let the oxygen flow! This is such a PITA that it's almost worth it to find an unlined drum, but hey! after you've done it you'll see what I mean! The object of the UDS is to do it cheap and doing it yourself and I did! The second, third, fourth and waiting in the wings fifth drum are all unlined. UDS#1 is now just a burn barrel, givin it up for progress!

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...100_1817-1.jpg

Brian

ipls3355 09-02-2007 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 454541)
after you've done it you'll see what I mean!

Took me about 4 hours to clean the inside of mine after the burn. I hope to have final pics by the end of the weekend.

swamprb 09-02-2007 02:01 AM

Too bad your not closer to Seattle, I should go into the UDS business!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mat/411877798.html
Unlined and pretty too!

Brian

Norcoredneck 09-02-2007 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 454541)

The fleet! Now if you could only play Reggae music on them you could do
Parties.:biggrin:

Brian in So Cal 09-02-2007 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 454541)
Are you burning off the lining? If so, just start a raging fire in it and let it get as big and hot without setting SoCal ablaze, you could layer/stack the wood in it and if you know where the intakes are going to be drill the holes now before you strike the match and really let the oxygen flow! This is such a PITA that it's almost worth it to find an unlined drum, but hey! after you've done it you'll see what I mean! The object of the UDS is to do it cheap and doing it yourself and I did! The second, third, fourth and waiting in the wings fifth drum are all unlined. UDS#1 is now just a burn barrel, givin it up for progress!

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...100_1817-1.jpg

Brian

Man those are nice. Where did you get the bottom pan to add the wheels? Is that a smitty pan. My barrel had a water soluble lubricant. I am contacting Bentley to see what he did with his. What are you using for your vent plugs. I can't quite make them out?

Thanks for the help,
Brian

Brian in So Cal 09-02-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 454634)
Too bad your not closer to Seattle, I should go into the UDS business!
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mat/411877798.html
Unlined and pretty too!

Brian


Any chance of seeing the cart you made for your WSM's? I see it behind the UDS's

Thanks

Napper 09-02-2007 02:50 PM

Just built another UDS this morning. Burned it off with the "weed burner" torch. Takes a while but works good!
Doing a test burn as we speak. All plugs out it is running at about 460 degrees! A little too hot for butt cooking!!!!!!!!!!

This is drum # 12! I have 4 myself and have given the others away.
I get calls weekly about cooking questions!

Only way to go!

ipls3355 09-02-2007 02:57 PM

Napper,
Did you do anything to the inside after you torched it? I thought it had to be 'clean'. (see my pic above)

swamprb 09-02-2007 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian in So Cal (Post 454797)
Any chance of seeing the cart you made for your WSM's? I see it behind the UDS's

Thanks

Ask and you shall receive! This was the frame of a Weber Performer.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...d/100_1756.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...d/100_1758.jpg

I'm still working on the cart, have a sheet of stainless steel that will set on the top next to the folding table to use with the right WSM removed, need to cut the contour out and its good to go.

Brian

Rub-A-Dub 09-02-2007 04:04 PM

Very nice cart!!

Brian in So Cal 09-02-2007 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rub-A-Dub (Post 454828)
Very nice cart!!

I second that. That cart is sweet.

Norcoredneck 09-02-2007 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 454810)
Ask and you shall receive! This was the frame of a Weber Performer.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...d/100_1756.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t...d/100_1758.jpg

I'm still working on the cart, have a sheet of stainless steel that will set on the top next to the folding table to use with the right WSM removed, need to cut the contour out and its good to go.

Brian


Man that is nice.

Dovid 09-02-2007 08:03 PM

Ok guys, where is the best place to find that rolling base for the drums?
Thanks!


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