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Smokin Gator 01-08-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker (Post 532600)
Thinking seriously about a purple and gold LSU can:grin:

Now that will truly redefine UGLY drum smoker!!!

Norcoredneck 01-08-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker (Post 532600)
I'm wondering if anyone has tried using the charcoal pan out of a Brinkman Gourmet ECB?

Do a search on Phoenix oh hell,
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...61&postcount=1

What I made using Single Fins ECB. He loves the set up.

DryCreek 01-08-2008 05:57 PM

After reading this complete post, I was wondering if there is now a consensus on the size of the charcoal basket? 15"diameter x 6" high seems to be popular. Any others that work well?

Rob

CajunSmoker 01-08-2008 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 532605)
Now that will truly redefine UGLY drum smoker!!!

You know what they say Brent, Beauty is in the eye of the Beer Holder:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 532668)
Do a search on Phoenix oh hell,
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...61&postcount=1

What I made using Single Fins ECB. He loves the set up.


I remember that one Norco, my pans a little different and I want to keep my ECB in working order, but I'm still going to give it a try. If it don't work, then I'll make a new basket.

chinesebob 01-08-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker (Post 532600)
I
I'm planning on using 2 - 1"x4" black iron pipe nipples with elbows and 30" risers and full port ball valves for the intake air. If it will work I want to put 4 evenly space pieces of 3/8" all thread rod in above the intakes to set the charcoal pan on so the bottom of the pan is just above the intake nipples.

What do you guys think about that plan?

Another ?, has anyone found any hi temp paint that can be mixed in colors? Thinking seriously about a purple and gold LSU can:grin:

If you look at pics of mine that's exactly what I did. I put 3 1" by 4" and just put a nipple on one of them. I thought about the risers but I just set my basket on top of the pipes. Not sure if that has a positive or negative affect.

I wonder if you put a high temp primer and black coat that would be enough. The other option would be to get a auto paint. Might need a sprayer for that.

If you find a place that sells templates for School or Pro teams let me know. I'm looking for a couple of teams :icon_smil.

chinesebob 01-08-2008 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 531772)
My take on this is the more you have inside the harder it is to clean out. The ash and grease build up and has to be scraped from time to time.

I thought about that. But they come off pretty easily.

CajunSmoker 01-08-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chinesebob (Post 532716)
If you look at pics of mine that's exactly what I did. I put 3 1" by 4" and just put a nipple on one of them. I thought about the risers but I just set my basket on top of the pipes. Not sure if that has a positive or negative affect.

I wonder if you put a high temp primer and black coat that would be enough. The other option would be to get a auto paint. Might need a sprayer for that.

I don't think the high temp primer idea will work because the barrel will still get to hot for the paint. I'm hoping they may mix some high heat colors to paint exhaust manifolds.

If you find a place that sells templates for School or Pro teams let me know. I'm looking for a couple of teams :icon_smil.

I hadn't thought about it being a problem getting templates but a quick google didn't look promising?!? I got a friend that runs a body shop that does a lot of custom painting, guess I need to go by for a visit and ask a few questions.:rolleyes: I'll let you know what I find out.

smooookin 01-08-2008 08:06 PM

Guys, unless you run with the lid off you can use any spray paint. I have posted this somewhere before but this summer we check the temp of a barrel while it was cooking and a black car setting on the car lot, They were just a few degrees apart. The camo barrel I painted was just plain old spray paint. After several cooks the paint was fine.

chinesebob 01-08-2008 11:02 PM

The guy that reconditions them just uses an average paint in sprayers. Nothing special. I think I'm going to looking for a used paint sprayer in the future.

Norcoredneck 01-09-2008 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chinesebob (Post 532899)
The guy that reconditions them just uses an average paint in sprayers. Nothing special. I think I'm going to looking for a used paint sprayer in the future.

If you don't want to spend a lot, I use one of these HVLP, nice and compact.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/gifs/clear.gif http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ck/sprayer.gif
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/gifs/clear.gif
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/gifs/clear.gif
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44677
Or if you want more quality
http://www.cpocampbellhausfeld.com/i...ium/hv2500.jpg
http://www.cpocampbellhausfeld.com/p...rs/hv2500.html

keale 01-09-2008 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/im...s/viewpost.gif
Thinking seriously about a purple and gold LSU can:grin:

Now that will truly redefine UGLY drum smoker!!! quote:Smokingator...

Thats funny! But Roger, You can paint it purple and gold, you guys deserve it! Thats hard for me to say you know!!:-P:-P

Dr_KY 01-09-2008 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by smooookin (Post 532778)
Guys, unless you run with the lid off you can use any spray paint. I have posted this somewhere before but this summer we check the temp of a barrel while it was cooking and a black car setting on the car lot, They were just a few degrees apart. The camo barrel I painted was just plain old spray paint. After several cooks the paint was fine.

Excellent! I figured as much. Now it's off to see what the hardware stor has on clearance. This thing could turn out some very silly colour. :wink:

CajunSmoker 01-09-2008 05:27 AM

Wow, thanks for the info. I had the impression that these things got really hot.

ipls3355 01-09-2008 10:05 AM

Sweet info, knowing that, maybe they can be painted team colors and marketed.

Barbarian 01-09-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker (Post 532600)
All I've been able to do is cut the roll off the top so my kettle lid will fit, then it started pouring down rain so I can't do the burn off of the coating inside.:mad:

So I got one of the Kettle Grills from Sears and the lid is to small, it sits right on top of the drum. So does "cut the roll off the top" make the outside diameter enough smaller for the Kettle lid to fit over the drum? And if it does, what are the options for how to make a clean cut on the roll?

Mark 01-09-2008 10:53 AM

Pat:

The harbor freight unit says "Sprays light, medium and heavy stain, varnish, and latex."

The other unit mentions "metalworking" Rather vauge.

Spray painting cars usually entails pretty high flows and pressures.

So please enlighten me.

Mark 01-09-2008 11:08 AM

Jerry:

Here's 2 options:

1. get a spare barrel lid and a sawsall and make a ring out of the outside edge.

2. get a spare lid clamping ring and cut it to fit tight inside the barel top.

Smokin Gator 01-09-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 533144)
So I got one of the Kettle Grills from Sears and the lid is to small, it sits right on top of the drum. So does "cut the roll off the top" make the outside diameter enough smaller for the Kettle lid to fit over the drum? And if it does, what are the options for how to make a clean cut on the roll?

I would be very cautious about cutting the entire top roll off of the drum. I think it adds a lot to the structural stiffness of the drum. IMHO you are much better off using an angle grinder to grind down the roll until the Weber lid fits snugly. That is what I did on my second UDS.

Maybe someone who has cut the roll off will chime in...

Barbarian 01-09-2008 03:28 PM

Thanks Brent, I was a bit concerned about cutting off the roll for that very reason. Now I have to look into an angle grinder!

D.F. Expat 01-09-2008 03:52 PM

on mine my uncle just used 2 hammers like they do when forming metal on cars, place a sledge hammer on the inside of the drum at the lip and hit the outside of the lip up and in towards the sledge with the other hammer. That way you dont have to worry about sharp edges or uneven cutting. I will post pics on Friday when I get mine here.

Dr_KY 01-09-2008 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark (Post 533146)
Pat:

The harbor freight unit says "Sprays light, medium and heavy stain, varnish, and latex."

The other unit mentions "metalworking" Rather vauge.

Spray painting cars usually entails pretty high flows and pressures.

So please enlighten me.

HVLP is used for painting cars ect. as far as my understanding and is law in California. High Volume Low Pressure. You wouldn't want high pressure when you are so close to something you are painting. I'll be going the rattle can route with mine to keep cost down.

cardiac_cadet002 01-09-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DryCreek (Post 532681)
After reading this complete post, I was wondering if there is now a consensus on the size of the charcoal basket? 15"diameter x 6" high seems to be popular. Any others that work well?

Rob

the size of the charcoal basket is totally up to you, you just want to be sure that 1, it can hold at least 10 lbs minimum (IMHO) of fuel i.e charcoal, lump, etc, and 2, it is small enough to place into the bottom of the drum without having to fight the bolts that hold the grates in place. My basket is 18" wide by 6" high and it accomplishes both of those.

gotwood 01-09-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr_KY (Post 533441)
HVLP is used for painting cars ect. as far as my understanding and is law in California. High Volume Low Pressure. You wouldn't want high pressure when you are so close to something you are painting. I'll be going the rattle can route with mine to keep cost down.

If you are going to buy something to paint, get an air assisted pump.
It will keep overspray down to a minimum, which means less product loss.
Not to mention the finish will be much better. check out Kremlin products

Norcoredneck 01-09-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gotwood (Post 533501)
If you are going to buy something to paint, get an air assisted pump.
It will keep overspray down to a minimum, which means less product loss.
Not to mention the finish will be much better. check out Kremlin products

Hvlp is a great transfer method. Not near the overspray that regular spreay guns use. I bought mine to do patio furniture. We have one of these at work and it worked great (more expensive of course). I went to get a water filter for my compressor and they had this. lot easier and more efficient than my Binks. No long air hose needed. I painted metal pool fence srctions also. Great tool to have. I also used it to spray doors, lot's easier than brush and better finish. Now back to drums.

CajunSmoker 01-09-2008 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barbarian (Post 533144)
So I got one of the Kettle Grills from Sears and the lid is to small, it sits right on top of the drum. So does "cut the roll off the top" make the outside diameter enough smaller for the Kettle lid to fit over the drum? And if it does, what are the options for how to make a clean cut on the roll?

I cut the top off mine with a sawzall with a metal cutting blade. I could have done a much better job if I had of had some metal blades for my jigsaw.

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 533216)
I would be very cautious about cutting the entire top roll off of the drum. I think it adds a lot to the structural stiffness of the drum. IMHO you are much better off using an angle grinder to grind down the roll until the Weber lid fits snugly. That is what I did on my second UDS. Maybe someone who has cut the roll off will chime in...

You are probably right Gator. I jumped ahead and cut the top off mine without thinking of the possible consequences. However, I did my burn in this afternoon and so far everything looks ok.:-D

Here are some pics of the burn out.:biggrin:
I bought a $4 bag of mesquite. I never cook on it but it is hot chit.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2...0384da9.th.jpg
Here is the barrel in full blaze and you can see the seam holding ok. You can also see the jagged top that I still have to grind down:oops:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...0383zz9.th.jpg

And here it is from the top view:icon_cool
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...0385mt3.th.jpg

chinesebob 01-09-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 533514)
Hvlp is a great transfer method. Not near the overspray that regular spreay guns use. I bought mine to do patio furniture. We have one of these at work and it worked great (more expensive of course). I went to get a water filter for my compressor and they had this. lot easier and more efficient than my Binks. No long air hose needed. I painted metal pool fence srctions also. Great tool to have. I also used it to spray doors, lot's easier than brush and better finish. Now back to drums.

Could you use it to paint walls? I hate painting rooms and my wife is constantly trying to get me to repaint the rooms.

Kremlin is a good product? I will be looking into these.

gotwood 01-09-2008 07:07 PM

http://www.ekremlin.com/Main/Literat...X_Brochure.pdf

Didnt look through the whole catalog, but at least the guns for Airmix are in here....not sure about the pumps.
I use a pump in my shop for spraying cabinets. But I could take the pump anywhere I want...all I need is some filtered air at about 50psi. The pump is the size of a carryon suitcase. Page 3 actually shows some of the pumps, but companies built these into portable units...if i can get photos i will

SmokeWatcher 01-09-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin Gator (Post 533216)
I would be very cautious about cutting the entire top roll off of the drum. I think it adds a lot to the structural stiffness of the drum. IMHO you are much better off using an angle grinder to grind down the roll until the Weber lid fits snugly. That is what I did on my second UDS.

Maybe someone who has cut the roll off will chime in...

That's what I ended up doing on mine...cutting the entire lip off. The Weber lid fits perfectly now, but it does present an edge you may have to file and be mindful of. I haven't noticed any loss of structural integrity either, it's still plenty rigid, but if I was to lay it down and roll it that might be a different story.

gotwood 01-10-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chinesebob (Post 533522)
Could you use it to paint walls? I hate painting rooms and my wife is constantly trying to get me to repaint the rooms.

Kremlin is a good product? I will be looking into these.

I've used tens of different types/manufactures....I wont use anything but Kremlin Airmix

But you would not use this to paint walls with, they do have other products though

Mark 01-10-2008 02:34 PM

I looked at the Kremlin brochure. Stuff looks pricey.

Let's not forget; these are Ugly Drum Smokers. I say keep them ugly!

Trying to make them pretty is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Ugly is beautiful; pass it on.

gotwood 01-10-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark (Post 534110)
I looked at the Kremlin brochure. Stuff looks pricey.

Let's not forget; these are Ugly Drum Smokers. I say keep them ugly!

Trying to make them pretty is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Ugly is beautiful; pass it on.

If you had beautiful custom finishes you would have a much much larger possible customer base.
would even go higher with artistic drawings etc on the drums.

But price-wise....Depending on the gun you chose and a lower volume portable pump would run about $1600

gotwood 01-10-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunSmoker (Post 533517)
I cut the top off mine with a sawzall with a metal cutting blade. I could have done a much better job if I had of had some metal blades for my jigsaw.



Here are some pics of the burn out.:biggrin:
I bought a $4 bag of mesquite. I never cook on it but it is hot chit.
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2...0384da9.th.jpg
Here is the barrel in full blaze and you can see the seam holding ok. You can also see the jagged top that I still have to grind down:oops:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...0383zz9.th.jpg

And here it is from the top view:icon_cool
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...0385mt3.th.jpg

How close is the fit for the weber lid??

My fix would be to get a somewhat "flexible" piece of steel...maybe 1/8" thick x 2 or 3" tall then either weld it to the inside of the drum or use some type of fasteners(stainless rivets) keep one inch or so of the metal band above the lip on drum.

broschultz 01-10-2008 03:25 PM

I have several drums I am preparing for members of the family. I found that one drum with a flat rim is a perfect fit for the weber tops. The rounded ones I have to grind down. In the future I will try to get drums with flat rims.

Norcoredneck 01-10-2008 04:53 PM

If you check your drum Weber lids fit most bottoms. I flipped mine over and cut the bottom out using a drum deheader and kept the band clamp and top on as bottom. An added bonus is that when it gets scruddy inside I can take bottom (old top) off and power wash cyllinder and bottom real well.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...k/IMG_2437.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...k/IMG_2438.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ck/Valve-1.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...k/IMG_2604.jpg

Beerwolf 01-10-2008 05:04 PM

Seems to be an awfull lof of work removing the rolled edge when all you really need to do is take a crescent wrench and use it to "tweak" the edge of the webber lid and it will fit over and seal pretty well.

Bbq Bubba 01-10-2008 05:30 PM

As i still cannot download my pic's, my UDS is completed and seasoning as we speak!!
Put 5# Rancher in my charcoal basket from my off-set and a 1/2 chimney of lit with some Mesquite about 1:30.
1 cap open and my ball valve 1/4 open and settled in at 235*.......5 HOURS AGO!!!
I am totally amazed at how these thing's run!! Lifted the lid to take a peak and have only burned about 1/2 of that charcoal, temp ran up to 270 from the blast of air and settled right back down to 230ish without touching a thing!! :biggrin:
Will be breaking it in this weekend with something, now to get some more part's for that other barrell!! :wink:

CajunSmoker 01-10-2008 06:15 PM

Congrats Bubba:cool: I finished mine today but I'm gonna wait til tomorrow to fire it up so the paint drys properly.

Look forward to seeing your pics, keep trying to post em.

fnnm358 01-10-2008 06:17 PM

was wondering what if a temp gage was mounted just off center on the lid still leaving room for a handle would this give a better temp reading than at great level and off to the side

If I can get over and pic up my drum tomorrow I will be starting my build Saturday

Bbq Bubba 01-10-2008 07:05 PM

My turn...........
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/80/s003mm1.jpg
By imn88fan

swamprb 01-10-2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fnnm358 (Post 534283)
was wondering what if a temp gage was mounted just off center on the lid still leaving room for a handle would this give a better temp reading than at great level and off to the side

If I can get over and pic up my drum tomorrow I will be starting my build Saturday

It wouldn't hurt to add a thermometer in the drum lid, the temps will register higher. I have one mounted in a drum lid and all my Weber lids have have them. I would consider a hole for a remote meat probe on the side at grate level too.

smooookin 01-10-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by swamprb (Post 534404)
I would consider a hole for a remote meat probe on the side at grate level too.


That is how I have done mine, thread it though a hole in the side and stick it through a block of wood in the middle of the grate.

Norcoredneck 01-10-2008 09:23 PM

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...k/IMG_2607.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...k/IMG_2606.jpg

SmokeWatcher 01-10-2008 10:32 PM

I'm considering moving my temperature gage from the side of my drum to the lid. Does it give more accurate readings there?

Norcoredneck 01-10-2008 10:34 PM

Like all domes top is hotter. i have 3 racks and average. Moat times 30-50 degrees delta.

N8man 01-10-2008 11:23 PM

Do you have a fire going in there or is that the wonderful Cali ambient air temp showing up on the temp gauges? 110*!?!?

Norcoredneck 01-11-2008 12:35 AM

Just in the Hot California summer sun.

Norcoredneck 01-11-2008 03:49 AM

A little trick to for removing paint after burn is take a wire wheel like this and trap between 2 nuts and washers on a 3 ft. piece of 1/2 allthread (threads are to fit 5/8-11thd shaft). Chuck up in a descent 1/2" drill motor and run up and down inside of drum while spinning.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k2...neck/91279.gif
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/gifs/clear.gif

Dr_KY 01-11-2008 04:04 AM

BINGO!!! problem solved thanks Norco.

cajun_1 01-18-2008 10:11 AM

Great thread ... Thanks for all the fantastic info. Now just gotta decipher (?) it all and start the build.

MT4Runner 01-21-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Norcoredneck (Post 534216)

Awesome ball valve mod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:


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