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jwall
04-11-2010, 09:28 AM
:tsk: Well I found I am highly allergic to MSG.... to the point of blowing up like a balloon and looking orange like an oompa loompa...:shocked::shocked:

I am wondering if ya'll would be willing to share some of your MSG free rubs that you use.. recipes as well if possible... you can PM those if you dont want to make itpublic knowledge..

I will be getting rid of a bunch of my rubs since they almost all have MSG.

UGH!! no fun! and what a waste of money.:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

Thanks

HeSmellsLikeSmoke
04-11-2010, 09:33 AM
I have pretty well gone to Kosher salt and corse black pepper with a little paprika and garlic salt for nearly all my cooks. Give it a try. I bet you will be surprised.

Rick's Tropical Delight
04-11-2010, 09:43 AM
dizzy pig rubs have no msg

thirdeye
04-11-2010, 09:44 AM
I have a jar of the mix Jim mentioned in my pantry too. The flavors seems to meld after a week or so.

For store bought rubs, give Dizzy Pig a look. All their rubs are MSG free. This will give you about a dozen to choose from. I use about 6 of them.

justjack
04-11-2010, 09:44 AM
Yeah, the stuff put my mother in hospital after copping a shedload it in a chinese restaurant.
I agree with Hesmellslikesmoke, make your own rubs from natural ingredients and you'll never look back. I rarely do the same one twice, yet they all come up pretty good, some naturally are better than others, but playing about is half the fun. My ingredients include sea salt, pepper, garlic fresh or granulated, onion the same, fresh or dried herbs such as marjoram, basil, oregano, parsley, thyme etc etc, paprika and the list goes on. Your only limit is your imagination really.

MilitantSquatter
04-11-2010, 09:46 AM
I agree with Dizzy Pig as an option.. high quality ingredients and nice mix of products.

txschutte
04-11-2010, 09:50 AM
Earl Campbell's, no MSG.

Jeroen
04-11-2010, 10:05 AM
I have the same problem with blowing up, lost a few nights sleep after visiting Dim Sum restaurants...

I use Dizzy Pig and organic rubs.
I season a lot with freshley ground spices (cumin, koriander, nutmeg etc...), they give a much more intense flavour, so they don't need any msg enhancement.
I bought a little grinder a few years ago and I'm really happy with it.

BigButzBBQ
04-11-2010, 10:12 AM
I like experimenting w/ 8-3-1 base (8 parts sugar, 3 parts kosher salt, 1 part chili powder) the usual recipe requires 1 more part of mixed up whatever else you want but, for me I like more spices then just the 1 part addition. Usually throw in some garlic for sure, maybe some celery salt, some cumin, granulated garlic, black pepper... you get the idea. Refuse to use MSG in my cooking. Good luck!

bigabyte
04-11-2010, 10:44 AM
Do you have the same experience with seaweed flakes, like Dulse for example? Just curious. Those can make a good MSG replacement in rubs where just a little MSG is used for a bit of that Umami taste.

JD McGee
04-11-2010, 11:34 AM
Ditto on the Dizzy Pig rubs...PM sent as well...:cool:

landarc
04-11-2010, 01:59 PM
I use a simple mix of kosher salt, fresh ground black pepper, chile powder (I make my own) and citrus peel for most cooking. I will supplement with a more seasoned rub which might contain sugars (turbinado and/or brown), celery seed, cayenne, paprika, dehydrated onion and granulated garlic.

peppasawce
04-11-2010, 02:28 PM
No MSG for me please...High Blood Pressure will make you read trhe label...Mix your own spices Brother, and always use Kosher and, or, Sea Salt It will work just fine!!!

Papa Payne
04-11-2010, 03:38 PM
I have pretty well gone to Kosher salt and corse black pepper with a little paprika and garlic salt for nearly all my cooks. Give it a try. I bet you will be surprised.

X1 ^^^^^^^^^

Very sound advice. I've backed up to a very basic rub of Kosher salt and coarse black pepper and eveyone really liked it. Better than the other rubs I was experimenting with....

Papa

ShutYrMouth
04-11-2010, 04:33 PM
i agree
just make your own
all these rubs out there on the market and i've never tried one of them
maybe i should, maybe mine sucks. haha. who knows
make your own!
greg

jwall
04-12-2010, 01:12 PM
Thanks everyone! I appreciate it... Who knew you could be allergic to the crud...

tmjst
04-12-2010, 03:43 PM
If you're allergic to MSG, you also will be allergic to soy sauce, tomatoes, shrimp, and parmesan cheese (among other things). They're all FULL of glutamate!!!!

On the other hand, if you can eat these without an allergic reaction, you may well be allergic to something else and not glutamate. Food allergies definitely aren't something to mess around with - you need to be certain that you're avoiding the real culprit.

Chef Jim
04-12-2010, 03:51 PM
I have made my own rub for years. Use Paprika as a base, Garlic powder, Cayenne, cumin, S&P.

Or you can try Heide Basik. She makes some nice rubs. Might be just a little pricy but I have found them to be very good. http://www.backtothebasiks.com/spices/

I really like the Key West Citurs for something new and different. And right on all her labels, no MSG!

Good luck.

deguerre
04-12-2010, 03:56 PM
None of the Todd's Dirt rubs have MSG in them either and they are very versatile.

Ryan Chester
04-12-2010, 04:51 PM
All rubs by The Rub Co. are MSG free. www.therubco.com

PatioDaddio
04-12-2010, 10:07 PM
Give Kosmo's Q Dirty Bird rub (http://www.kosmosq.com/products) a shot (scroll down). It's MSG-free and a pretty dang good all-purpose rub.

John

seattlepitboss
04-13-2010, 06:52 AM
If you can't hang with MSG don't use any Plowboy's recipe like Yardbird or Bovine Bold. They're both loaded.

drbbq
04-13-2010, 07:51 AM
Don't EVER judge a BBQ cook-off if you can't have MSG because many of the top competitors use it. That's sort of my gauge of how many people really are allergic to it. I've never heard of a judge declining to eat the food because of it and I've never heard of one having a reaction.

wildflower
04-13-2010, 08:54 AM
Do it yourself, much better :bow:

Jorge
04-13-2010, 08:59 AM
If you can't hang with MSG don't use any Plowboy's recipe like Yardbird or Bovine Bold. They're both loaded.

I think 'loaded' is pretty harsh.

I used the last of my Bovine Bold the other day, so I can't check the label. I think the next run of Yardbird will be MSG free as well but Todd would need to confirm that.

In the interest of full disclosure, Todd is a personal friend of mine. That being said, we ALL need to be careful about what we say regarding various products. Both positive and negative comments need to be factual. Whether it's a company, individual, forum member, or someone we've never heard of, I'd hate to see inaccurate information from this forum negatively impact the sales or public perception of any product.

Plowboy
04-13-2010, 09:33 AM
I think 'loaded' is pretty harsh.

I used the last of my Bovine Bold the other day, so I can't check the label. I think the next run of Yardbird will be MSG free as well but Todd would need to confirm that.

In the interest of full disclosure, Todd is a personal friend of mine. That being said, we ALL need to be careful about what we say regarding various products. Both positive and negative comments need to be factual. Whether it's a company, individual, forum member, or someone we've never heard of, I'd hate to see inaccurate information from this forum negatively impact the sales or public perception of any product.

There are TRACE amounts of MSG in the products. Co-packer and I have reviewed and tested MSG free versions. Working on new labels. Should be cutting over to MSG free this summer.

If you can't hang with MSG don't use any Plowboy's recipe like Yardbird or Bovine Bold. They're both loaded.

And you know my recipes... how? How do you know they are "loaded"?

bigabyte
04-13-2010, 09:37 AM
I'm loaded with MSG. Blame me!

big brother smoke
04-13-2010, 10:24 AM
MSG is not an Allergen.

Just sayin!

http://www.msgtruth.org/allergy.htm


Guess yawl don't eat doritos or other chips, lol!

Stoke&Smoke
04-13-2010, 10:41 AM
If you're allergic to MSG, you also will be allergic to soy sauce, tomatoes, shrimp, and parmesan cheese (among other things). They're all FULL of glutamate!!!!

On the other hand, if you can eat these without an allergic reaction, you may well be allergic to something else and not glutamate. Food allergies definitely aren't something to mess around with - you need to be certain that you're avoiding the real culprit.


This is sound advice! Go see an allergist. MSG may be the culprit, but MSG and natural glutemates are in all sorts of foods. Label might not say MSG, it may instead say hydrolized vegetable protein, hydolyzed yeast, soy extracts, etc.

Glutemates are, to some degree, in almost all packaged foods these days. Sometimes, even if the produclt label says no MSG, it may still contain some other form of glutemate. They are in canned soups and veggies, part of many artificially flavored foods, etc.

For your healths sake, see your doc about your symptoms, and then consider an allergist as well

dmprantz
04-13-2010, 10:47 AM
I agree with the above. MSG is not known to be an allergen. Many ppl have adverse reactions to high sodium foods and blame it on MSG, but if it's really sodium, many rubs will cause you to react the same or worse. Also, if it was caused by Asian food, it could be a peanut allergy. I agree that you should find the true cause of your reactions from a trained professional.

All of that being said, 3Eyz rub is MSG free and available in many places.

dmp

JohnJ
04-13-2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks everyone! I appreciate it... Who knew you could be allergic to the crud...MSG is not an Allergen.MSG may not be an allergen but I too am sensitive to it. Anytime I eat anything with MSG including too many of certain brands of chips (like Dorritos), a lot of restaurant and packaged oriental foods and etc., I get a very bizarre headache. Too much MSG and it is almost migraine like. After getting done judging a contest this past weekend, I thought my head was going to explode!

As long as it doesn't kill me a little discomfort the amount of fun received is worth it... I think.

John

jwall
04-13-2010, 12:36 PM
I do know I am allergic to MSG and I have been to a doctor about it.. So lets not assume I haven't.. I do watch what I eat and yes no Doritos for me :tsk:

I have become more aware of what I eat and read labels religiously. One label slipped by me when my son went shopping.:doh: Oh well so be it.

As for plowboys I look forward to trying the MSG free one... And for all the other recommendations I will be ordering a bottle of each to see how it works for me... Been using the Dizzy Pig for a while now and enjoy their rubs.

Thanks all again... lets not assume until all the facts are in...:thumb:

keale
04-13-2010, 03:18 PM
I feel your pain bro's! Well actually my wife does! 10 years of migraines...nothing helped... she stopped eating anything (there's ton's) of food with MSG and SODIUM NITITE or was it Nitrate?(preservative) The last year her migraines have gotten at least 90% less... I wish I knew what one was exactly causing it as we stopped both at the same time...but she doesn't care, she's not willing to find out...she had those bad ones where the neurologist would drug her up, and if that didn't work, take her to ER for morphine and other high grade stuff...

cdollar
04-13-2010, 03:33 PM
If you're allergic to MSG, you also will be allergic to soy sauce, tomatoes, shrimp, and parmesan cheese (among other things). They're all FULL of glutamate!!!!

On the other hand, if you can eat these without an allergic reaction, you may well be allergic to something else and not glutamate. Food allergies definitely aren't something to mess around with - you need to be certain that you're avoiding the real culprit.

Not true, my wife can eat all of those without problems, but dust a little MSG on anything she eats, and her lips and tongue swell, canker sores pop up, and a migraine sets in. And yes, she has been to a doctor about it. His answer: "You're allergic to MSG. Stay away from it.".


Chuck

SirPorkaLot
04-13-2010, 03:50 PM
Try Stubbs rubs. They are all MSG free, and available nationally.

http://www.stubbsbbq.com/bbq_rub.php

deez butts
04-14-2010, 12:05 AM
Just food for thought on the MSG allergy topic, a lot of the commercially available MSG is extracted from wheat proteins. The protein is what people are allergic to so if someone is allergic to MSG they may also have an allergy to wheat. Although it may not show up the same way or as severely. So you may want to get checked for a wheat allergy.

seattlepitboss
04-14-2010, 04:14 AM
And you know my recipes... how? How do you know they are "loaded"?

I withdraw my statement. Let's just say MSG is on the list of ingredients of both products. Which I know because I'm a customer of yours, and a happy one! I was somewhat taken aback when I first saw MSG on the ingredient list of both products, that's until I got the reactions of the people I cook for, which were 100% enthusiastically positive.

I'm no food lawyer. But I think that ingredient lists have to be ordered, so the thing that there's the most of appears first, then the thing that there's the next most of, and so forth. So the list should end with the particular substance that occurs in the smallest quantity. The only other thing I want to say is that MSG isn't the last ingredient in either list.

I only brought this up because the OP said he was MSG-sensitive, and I figured he deserved to know.

seattlepitboss

thedirtman
04-14-2010, 10:18 AM
All of my Todd's Dirt Seasonings/rubs have NO MSG and are Gluten Free, no additives 100% all natural. I know a lot of people who have issues with MSG and Gluten. I feel for them.
Todd

jwall
04-14-2010, 10:43 AM
That is why I will be placing an order to give it a whirl.... My wife was like "That really looks like dirt" I told her we were going to try it and see and shes like sounds good to me... :thumb:

dmprantz
04-14-2010, 01:40 PM
I do know I am allergic to MSG and I have been to a doctor about it..

I'm glad that you have found some suggestions on rubs to try that meet your requirement. Please keep in mind that I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I've been thinking about this and since you have been to a medical doctor who has confirmed that you are allergic to MSG, I'd like to know how he determined that. Did he check your immune response or histamine levels after contact with or ingestion of MSG? Did he recommend an antihistamine or even prescribe an epinephrine pen in case you should eat at a restaurant which uses MSG without your knowledge or against your ordering requests? I would just like to understand how some one could be allergic to MSG.

Thanks,

dmp

tmjst
04-14-2010, 02:03 PM
I'm glad that you have found some suggestions on rubs to try that meet your requirement. Please keep in mind that I am not trying to be antagonistic, but I've been thinking about this and since you have been to a medical doctor who has confirmed that you are allergic to MSG, I'd like to know how he determined that. Did he check your immune response or histamine levels after contact with or ingestion of MSG? Did he recommend an antihistamine or even prescribe an epinephrine pen in case you should eat at a restaurant which uses MSG without your knowledge or against your ordering requests? I would just like to understand how some one could be allergic to MSG.

Thanks,

dmp

I suspect that the MD used the non-medical version of "allergic," the way many people use it, to mean "any random sensitivity." It's very difficult to explain how anyone could be actually allergic to glutamate, because it's in all kinds of food and, in fact, your body manufactures several grams of it every day. An average person has something like 3 pounds of glutamate bound up in various proteins. But some people seem to be sensitive to glutamates, and incorrectly call the sensitivity an allergy. A far *greater* number blame glutamates for things that aren't caused by glutamates at all. Isolating food sensitivities is incredibly hard.

That's why I'm concerned for the Brethren who first reported the problem... the odds are *very* high that he (she?) has a wrong diagnosis. As far as I can tell, swelling and orange skin aren't typical symptoms of either MSG sensitivity or any allergy.

Of course, the original poster didn't ask for medical advice, and I'm no doctor, so I won't mind at all if you ignore me completely. :thumb:

jwall
04-14-2010, 02:25 PM
dmprantz - No you are not be antagonistic but this is starting to border on rude and asinine.

So to briefly answer your question:

First he made me list what foods I ate before I had the "reaction" for the day before.

He then ran tests on my blood before and after I ingested a small amount at his office and monitored the results of the tests for 48 hours... He also tested for other possible causes of the reaction and other possible allergic reactions. Guess what he came up with the highest probability? MSG glutamates... and some other things that are none of your business nor up for discussion.

He did not supply me an epi pen.

Most restaurants are pretty honest with what they use..(I used to manage a restaurant in the Walt Disney area for 3 years... Want me to prove that too?) I have been aware of this for a while now so I always ask and if the waiter seems unsure I ask for the manager and explain the reason why..

We are working with a vitamin regmine first to see if it minimizes the reaction to it as I am not a fan of long term medications (personal belief) and no I wont go into my personal beliefs. Some doctors believe it helps some dont... so we will see

I do not mind sharing what he did, but seriously do I need to keep proving this...:crazy: Do you want to see the blood tests?:roll: If this does not answer your question too bad as this is all I will share as I am not here to prove anything.

I am a member of a forum who asked a question and was expecting to get a educated answers to it.. Not a PROVE IT! :roll: For the most part I received some great replies and suggestions.

Ask yourself this: Do we ask anyone on here to prove that they actually made the food they did? No we look at pictures and take their word for it (yes their word odd concept these days I guess :rolleyes:)... who knows maybe someone else made it and they are taking credit for it.. Or do we ask someone to prove they are allergic to peanuts, dogs or cats for that matter...


Thanks to the ones who have helped and offered some suggestions of other products.

jwall
04-14-2010, 02:29 PM
to help y'all out on symptoms and all. Did I have them all no I had some..

I got this from here
http://www.foodfacts.com/education/index.cfm?ingredient=3&topic=77


Effects and Symptoms

Effects:

Cardiac
Circulatory
Neurological
Respiratory
Skin
Urological

Typical symptoms of free-glutamic acid sensitive people

Headache/Migraines
Depression, mood swings
Flushing
Sweating
Sense of facial pressure or tightness
Numbness, tingling or burning around mouth
Heart palpitations
Shortness of breath
Nausea
Weakness
Chest pain
Asthma
Swelling
Skin rash
Anxiety
Hyperactivity
Drop in blood pressure
Stiffness
Joint pain

cdollar
04-14-2010, 03:38 PM
Good response, Jwall. What you see here is a typical response from people who do not suffer MSG related reactions and are ignorant of the misery it can cause. Call it an allergy, call it a reaction, or call it Fred, it still causes a problem for those sensitive to it. I also think it is rude to tell someone they do not know anything about what is or is not going on with that person's body.


Chuck

kickassbbq
04-14-2010, 04:23 PM
MSG is an excellent Colon Flush for me. 15 minutes after eating it, I am RUNNING to the John!!!!
I do not think I am making this up.

big brother smoke
04-14-2010, 06:21 PM
I believe you are taking the questions wrong. It sounds to me that we are trying to help you understand that the source of the described misery may just beyond MSG.

However, gettting all fired and stressed out about people questioning your post on a forum is not neccesary, IMHO.

Jorge
04-14-2010, 06:29 PM
Mod Note: There is a ton of conflicting information/opinion about MSG available. Let's try to keep the discussion civil and not question motives or integrity.

jwall
04-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Asking questions and all but questioning ones word or integrity is pushing it. I was brought up to respect others. My dad always said. Mean what you say and say what you mean.

Feel free to ask construtive questions but to question if I really went to the dr or it's all in my head is crap!

I appreciate the other insight of others and informed the doctor of it as well. Right now it's a waiting game to see how things pan out

Not stressed at all about this more like floored. I ask a simple question and it turns out like this.

This really makes me question the forum and others

jwall
04-14-2010, 06:35 PM
Thanks Mod. Just what I was getting to.

GWags
04-14-2010, 11:47 PM
I mean this in the utmost respectful way: If you ask 3 MD's or DO's to look at the same lab results and symptoms they may/won't always interpret that info the same way. My point is I never take any one person's (doc, lawyer, carpenter, plumber, fill in the blank) word as absolute "gospel". Too often we take one "experts" opinion as the end all be all. This is a general statement and not aimed towards anyone.

cdollar
04-15-2010, 07:27 AM
I mean this in the utmost respectful way: If you ask 3 MD's or DO's to look at the same lab results and symptoms they may/won't always interpret that info the same way. My point is I never take any one person's (doc, lawyer, carpenter, plumber, fill in the blank) word as absolute "gospel". Too often we take one "experts" opinion as the end all be all. This is a general statement and not aimed towards anyone.


OK, I gotta ask you this. A guy comes here asking for a recipe or source for MSG free rub, and mentions that he is sensitive to it. Instead of information he's seeking, he gets a rash of chit about MSG not being an allergen, have you been to a doctor, glutamates are found everywhere, go see another doctor, yadda, yadda, yadda. What's with that, can't you just take his word that it bothers him aand try to help him, or do you have some innate need to play medical advisor? He didn't ask for anyone's nutritional or medical advice, he just wants to make barbecue, for Pete's sake.

And this isn't just aimed at Gwags.

Chuck

Jorge
04-15-2010, 09:30 AM
Mod Note from my Crackberry: I'll be sitting at a keyboard shortly. Why don't you guys take a break until then.

PS A Mod Note coming from my Crackberry is NOT a good thing.

Chef Jim
04-15-2010, 09:31 AM
Just food for thought on the MSG allergy topic, a lot of the commercially available MSG is extracted from wheat proteins. The protein is what people are allergic to so if someone is allergic to MSG they may also have an allergy to wheat. Although it may not show up the same way or as severely. So you may want to get checked for a wheat allergy.

MSG is an excellent Colon Flush for me. 15 minutes after eating it, I am RUNNING to the John!!!!
I do not think I am making this up.

This has turned into an interesting topic, I love it because I for one have learned something.

My Doctor says I'm Lactose intolerant. Could be? But he also tested me for a Wheat allergy. Still waiting for the results. But I have had the same problem that kickassbbq has. So could it be MSG? Don't know, but I will bring it up the next time I see my GI.

And yes, some of us are rude, but this is not Disney Land is it?

Jorge
04-15-2010, 10:15 AM
OK now that I had to leave the gym, and a workout I desperately needed for my sanity and general happiness, lets address a few issues.

1) It hasn't been long since Phil/BBQChef33 posted this: http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81360&highlight=piss+shoes . Check out the forum rules as well: http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14685

1a) Go read it again.

1b) Those posts define what this forum will be like. There is no debate about that.

1c) See 1b) above.

2) I'm at fault for not stepping in sooner.

3) A moderator does not need public support after posting a note. Nor do they need public debate. If debate is desired, please drop them a PM. A Mode Note is not a request. Please refer to 1c) above if you are unclear on that point.

I've followed this thread since the beginning. As I've stated before, there is a lot of conflicting information and opinion on the subject of MSG. Personally I know more than one person that can tell me whether MSG is present in something they eat. I accept that as fact. I'm also aware of scientific studies that contradict much of the information about how common that "condition", for lack of a better term, is. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

In some cases I've read posts that probably could have been phrased differently, and as a result would have been perceived differently. In some cases I think some intent was inferred that I didn't perceive. It happens with the written word. As a result we are all responsible for what we write, and to an extent the way it is perceived by the reader. We, as readers, should also make every effort to give someone the benefit of the doubt and assume that no insult was intended more often than not.

There are too many members on this forum, to allow folks to sort it out via 'big boy rules'. If you have a problem, take it to a moderator by reporting a post. If it doesn't merit using the "Report Post" button then by all means feel free to drop me a PM and I'll look at it. If you have a relationship with another moderator and would rather have them look at it, by all means do so.

The posts in question WILL remain. I want folks to be able to go back and see exactly what happened, and why moderator intervention was required. If everybody will remember rule 1c) life will be peachy :becky:

Those of you that have sent me PMs already can expect a reply as soon as I'm able to get to them.