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Bacon
09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
Alright Brethren, I have been on this site for almost 3 months and I have heard a lot about this Yardbird seasoning and how good it is.

I must try it now, cant resist any longer.:biggrin:

I was given this link (http://hawgeyesbbq.com/BBQ-Rubs.html) in another thread and there is a lot of stuff on this site I am interested in. A few names that I have heard here also.

Then I noticed that the shipping was fedex ground and I know that Fedex shipping can be pricey. Though ground is cheaper than express. I would assume with the cost of shipping to be in the range of 7-10 bucks, I thought I might as well buy a few more seasonings/ rubs while I'm at it.

I need some recommendations from fellow Brethren that have tried and liked some of these rubs. I cook mostly what everyone else cooks and heat doesnt bother me.

I would truly appreciate any responses..

toys4dlr
09-09-2008, 10:53 PM
I am a big fan of Todd's Yardbird, I have been using it for a little while now and it is my go to spice at home and comps. In fact, we just took 1st in pork (our first 1st place in a KCBS event) at the KCBS event in Taylor AZ using Yardbird as our rub and finished 10th overall. We now have 7 events under our belts. Todd was nice enough to post our picture on his website www.Plowboysbbq.com (http://www.Plowboysbbq.com) with the story.

I order it at 5 or 10 lbs at a time, so I contact Todd directly. I am waiting for the brisket rub to come in. I can not wait. He makes really good stuff.

I also use some of D dogs rubs for steaks at home. I like the maple, but the original and Apple are good too. D Dog can be found in the Brethern Ventures, as well as Todd under Plowboys.

Ron_L
09-09-2008, 11:03 PM
D-Dog's are good, the HomeBBQ rubs are good and the Dizzy Pig rubs are good.

barbefunkoramaque
09-09-2008, 11:14 PM
Alright Brethren, I have been on this site for almost 3 months and I have heard a lot about this Yardbird seasoning and how good it is.

I must try it now, cant resist any longer.:biggrin:

I was given this link (http://hawgeyesbbq.com/BBQ-Rubs.html) in another thread and there is a lot of stuff on this site I am interested in. A few names that I have heard here also.

Then I noticed that the shipping was fedex ground and I know that Fedex shipping can be pricey. Though ground is cheaper than express. I would assume with the cost of shipping to be in the range of 7-10 bucks, I thought I might as well buy a few more seasonings/ rubs while I'm at it.

I need some recommendations from fellow Brethren that have tried and liked some of these rubs. I cook mostly what everyone else cooks and heat doesnt bother me.

I would truly appreciate any responses..


Why not make or steal your own? I know this is gonna anger the "rub Gurus" but when you start buying rubs you will never learn what spices do.

You see what your asking these guys to do is SUBJECTIVELY give you their opinion of what appeals to their palate. Which makes even less since than figuring that out for yourself. Finding a recipe online or on here and trying it accomplishes the same thing with a lot less money and a lot less rubs you don't like sitting round and going bad.

Heck I think I screwed up and posted my Butt Glitter on here in a weak moment. LOL

Rookie'48
09-09-2008, 11:31 PM
Brother Bacon - Go to Brethren Sales & Ventures - Find Plowboys - order. Or find any post by Plowboy (Todd) - click - send a PM. Todd will get back to ya.

Bacon
09-09-2008, 11:39 PM
Why not make or steal your own? I know this is gonna anger the "rub Gurus" but when you start buying rubs you will never learn what spices do.



I gotcha Funk brother, but I am very interested in the Yardbird. I make my own rib rubs and everything I cook is from scratch. True home cookin'. So I do understand the concept of making your own. I have my spices sent in bulk from Buckhorn Spices in my hometown of Pine Bluff. I have a lot.

But one thing I have learned. If you do not eat any other food besides your own, ( restaurants, other peoples food period) your desire for new will dwindle and you will be basically cooking the same way with the same ole spices. Trying different things is a break from the norm and also an inspiration.

I also would be supporting a fellow Brother on this site so cost is not that big of a deal.

barbefunkoramaque
09-10-2008, 12:31 AM
I gotcha Funk brother, but I am very interested in the Yardbird. I make my own rib rubs and everything I cook is from scratch. True home cookin'. So I do understand the concept of making your own. I have my spices sent in bulk from Buckhorn Spices in my hometown of Pine Bluff. I have a lot.

But one thing I have learned. If you do not eat any other food besides your own, ( restaurants, other peoples food period) your desire for new will dwindle and you will be basically cooking the same way with the same ole spices. Trying different things is a break from the norm and also an inspiration.

I also would be supporting a fellow Brother on this site so cost is not that big of a deal.

Then it sound like your making a sound decision. Hell for 12 years I ground my own spice, even got to where I would roll the peppercorns with a roller to get the frit just right.

Then one day someone passed me Montreal Steal seasoning and damn if it was not to the "T" LOL

But discovering what blend of spices gets you the crispiest bbq chick skin (technique has something to do with it too) is serendipity

Norcoredneck
09-10-2008, 06:44 AM
I here this is a hot new place to buy rubs.
http://www.greatlakesbbqsupply.com/

Spydermike72
09-10-2008, 07:34 AM
I here this is a hot new place to buy rubs.
http://www.greatlakesbbqsupply.com/

And they carry Plowboys!!!

HolySmoke
09-10-2008, 07:51 AM
HeadCountry is good also....

bowhnter
09-10-2008, 08:09 AM
Sucklebusters Hoochie Mama and Hog Waller are pretty good too.

jbrink01
09-10-2008, 08:29 AM
Plowboys rocks! I just bought a pretty large supply.....

Smokinrubcom
09-10-2008, 09:07 AM
You can purchase BBQ rub and steak seasoning from my website - www.smokinrub.com. Have been in business for a month or so and have already sold several bottles of each.

Mike Whisante

Cliff H.
09-10-2008, 10:24 AM
But one thing I have learned. If you do not eat any other food besides your own, ( restaurants, other peoples food period) your desire for new will dwindle and you will be basically cooking the same way with the same ole spices. Trying different things is a break from the norm and also an inspiration.


I have a different take on this statement.

First, while I was searching for great Q and learning how to make it better at home via all the fourms, I began to realize that I could produce a better product than most resturants. So then I started searching for the best rubs and techniques that I liked.

I have begun to narrow the field down on the flavor profile issue. I want and desire to reach a plateu of consistency. This means that I want to be using the same rub and technique all the time so that my BBQ is easily recognizalbe by the folks I am feeding.

There is nothing wrong with trying different products or resturants. Nothing at all. I do the same from time to time, but when it comes to serious Q'ng, I want my Q to be the same every time.

ssbbqguy
09-10-2008, 10:29 AM
Slabs, Plowboy's, Smokin Guns, Head Country,and one of my longtime favorites,Obie-Cue from Texas. All are exellent products with great people behind them. Call any of them and you'll be happy. Steve.

Bacon
09-10-2008, 10:53 AM
I have a different take on this statement.

First, while I was searching for great Q and learning how to make it better at home via all the fourms, I began to realize that I could produce a better product than most resturants. So then I started searching for the best rubs and techniques that I liked.

I have begun to narrow the field down on the flavor profile issue. I want and desire to reach a plateu of consistency. This means that I want to be using the same rub and technique all the time so that my BBQ is easily recognizalbe by the folks I am feeding.

There is nothing wrong with trying different products or resturants. Nothing at all. I do the same from time to time, but when it comes to serious Q'ng, I want my Q to be the same every time.


I understand what your saying Cliff. But I am just a home cook that basically cooks and Ques for myself. I like to try different spice combinations and different rubs so I might can make something similar myself with a twist.

I have only been truly BBQ'in since June:mrgreen:. Though have been grilling for years.

As the years pass and I get more into the seriousness ( and I know I will ) my attitude about consistency will definately change.

Once again, I do understand. Just looking for a few new rubs.

Barbarian
09-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Blues Hog, Rufus Teague, Smokin Guns Hot, D-Dogs Apple and D-Dogs Maple.
Got some Big Brother Smoke's Simply Marvelous Sweet & Spicy, Dizzy Pig Jamaican Firewalk, Billy Bones Triple Cherry and Plowboys on the way.

Smokin season for me is almost here!!!!!!! Ready for the rains to come.

milehigh
09-10-2008, 03:09 PM
This question gets asked alot in different forms and the answers are as varied as the myriad of rubs out there Jason. Two rubs that i use all the time are Jamaican Firewalk and Yardbird. I would get only about a max of 6 rubs to try and go from there. Just my .02

Paul

Roo-B-Q'N
09-10-2008, 04:39 PM
While you are at it, give Big Brother Smoke a PM. You will not be dissapointed with his rubs and sauces. Took 8th in ribs and 15th in brisket using his rubs and sauce this past weekend. They are awesome products!

Desertdog
09-10-2008, 06:05 PM
In fact, we just took 1st in pork (our first 1st place in a KCBS event) at the KCBS event in Taylor AZ using Yardbird as our rub and finished 10th overall. We now have 7 events under our belts. Todd was nice enough to post our picture on his website www.Plowboysbbq.com (http://www.Plowboysbbq.com) with the story.




What? No credit given to the photographer? :biggrin: Just kidding, Dave. Nice job on the first place. I've used both Yardbird and Ddog's, can't go wrong with either.

Dean

spicewine
09-10-2008, 06:17 PM
Don't forget Brother Larry Wolf. He has a good following with his seasonings as well.

Spice

frognot
09-10-2008, 06:23 PM
Gotta pimp the Pit Pimp who posted above me. Spicewine got some good rubs.

HB-BBQ
09-10-2008, 06:24 PM
I have been tweaking my own rubs for some time now will continue to do so until I reach nirvana. However I do buy commercial rubs to make my life easier and to support my fellow brethern. I feel the best way is to keep buying different ones in small bottles to experiment with and if you dont like one just toss it in the back of your cabinet. That is where most of them wind up in my house, really chaps the wife but I tell her it is all in research for the ultimate Q. She just rolls her eyes now when the UPS driver shows up with more bbq related items :mrgreen:

Simply Marvelous - Sweet & Spicy
Spicewine - Heffer Dust
Plowboys - Yardbird
D-Dogs - Apple, Maple
John Henry's - Pecan, Apple

Desertdog
09-10-2008, 07:47 PM
I have been tweaking my own rubs for some time now will continue to do so until I reach nirvana. However I do buy commercial rubs to make my life easier and to support my fellow brethern. I feel the best way is to keep buying different ones in small bottles to experiment with and if you dont like one just toss it in the back of your cabinet. That is where most of them wind up in my house, really chaps the wife but I tell her it is all in research for the ultimate Q. She just rolls her eyes now when the UPS driver shows up with more bbq related items :mrgreen:

Simply Marvelous - Sweet & Spicy
Spicewine - Heffer Dust
Plowboys - Yardbird
D-Dogs - Apple, Maple
John Henry's - Pecan, Apple


Man, can I relate to that! Esp. since my wife is a.....vegetarian.:icon_shock1: "My gosh! How much more of that do you need???? Isn't it just about all the same stuff??"

I pity her, really. Imagine, going through life, having no appreciation of the pleasure one gets from pulling off a near perfectly seasoned rack of ribs.....taking that first bite....it's a damn cryin' shame.

CajunSmoker
09-10-2008, 08:22 PM
I just ordered another 5# batch of Yardbird rub from Hawgeyes, but I use a lot of Spicewines Heffer dust, Gordon's grub rub and Head Country too. It's good to not get stuck in the same old taste pattern I think. If you haven't tried it already, Google up Chris Lilly's 6 time world championship pork rub recipe and try it too.

Bacon
09-11-2008, 01:10 AM
^^ I just saved that recipe and I will try it soon.

Thanks for all recommendations. I have picked up a few things silently last night and tonight.

yardbird, blues hog, and simply marvelous are on order and preorder..

Vince RnQ
09-11-2008, 02:27 AM
Are those of us who make and use our own rubs a dying breed?


There's something about relying on other people and/or companies for rubs and sauces that just makes me nervous. I agree wholeheartedly that knowing what is out there is very important but its pretty damn rewarding to win with your own stuff.

TN_BBQ
09-11-2008, 10:52 AM
Some of the national brands are pretty good (McCormick, Emeril, Wolfgang Puck, Bobby Flay, Stubbs, Weber, Durkee, Lawry's, etc.).

Plowboy
09-11-2008, 11:21 AM
Are those of us who make and use our own rubs a dying breed?


There's something about relying on other people and/or companies for rubs and sauces that just makes me nervous. I agree wholeheartedly that knowing what is out there is very important but its pretty damn rewarding to win with your own stuff.

If I could make a better sauce than Blues Hog... I would. Until then, I'm ridin' the Hog!

toys4dlr
09-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Are those of us who make and use our own rubs a dying breed?


There's something about relying on other people and/or companies for rubs and sauces that just makes me nervous. I agree wholeheartedly that knowing what is out there is very important but its pretty damn rewarding to win with your own stuff.


I agree with you Vince, if the company goes out I have to go back to the drawing board. But, if I don't support them what next???

Like you, I have and do make my own rubs and sauces. However I found a couple that I like a lot and it is just one less thing I have to worry about.

I know you have been kicking butt with your rubs and sauce, maybe I need a sample and I can help support you too :-D

Good luck at the Jack and I will see you at Buckeye.

Vince RnQ
09-11-2008, 12:46 PM
Don't get me wrong, guys. I understand that sometimes the easiest path is to not reinvent the wheel, especially if you can get your hands on some pretty good wheels. I also know that putting good rubs and sauces up for sale is a great way for teams to help pay the expenses associated with competing and I admire those who have decided to put their proven products on the market.

The down side is that there are many products out there that have no proven track record of success but are heavily marketed to the barbeque community. Sure, every target market is going to have it's share of companies that are only trying to make a buck with little or no real working knowledge of that market and it is that type of business that I have no respect for.

Personally, I would never by a rub or a sauce from any source that wasn't actively cooking with their own product.

Bossmanbbq
09-11-2008, 01:05 PM
I like Slabs, Texas BBQ Rub, and Head Country alot. I would like to try Plowboys stuff with all the postive reviews, just have to use up the stuff I have now to justify the purchase with the Bosslady :lol:

Plowboy
09-11-2008, 02:16 PM
Don't get me wrong, guys. I understand that sometimes the easiest path is to not reinvent the wheel, especially if you can get your hands on some pretty good wheels. I also know that putting good rubs and sauces up for sale is a great way for teams to help pay the expenses associated with competing and I admire those who have decided to put their proven products on the market.

The down side is that there are many products out there that have no proven track record of success but are heavily marketed to the barbeque community. Sure, every target market is going to have it's share of companies that are only trying to make a buck with little or no real working knowledge of that market and it is that type of business that I have no respect for.

Personally, I would never by a rub or a sauce from any source that wasn't actively cooking with their own product.

You make a very good point about market saturation. About 10-15 years ago I was reading a marketing book that talked about competition focus. It went on to say that there may be many people out there in your market competing for the same dollar. Don't be overwhelmed by all of the competition. Instead, focus on what the top 10% are doing.

I was just in the KC BBQ Store. They have a literal wall of sauces and rubs that still only represents a fraction of what is out there. It can be overwhelming for both a customer and a manufacturer. However, I've tried about all of them one way or another. Some are great and some are just plain aweful. Sometimes the ones that sell are actually pretty aweful, but they have a name, I guess. Others are great and are unknown because of the "noise" from so many products out there. A great product needs some great marketing to overcome the "noise".

There are some really, really great products out there, and it is those truly great ones that I focus on. It is just like competition BBQ. I watch what the top teams are doing and not doing... if I want to be more like them.

I openly promote my "competitors" products. I've done so here and other places online and off. My feeling is that there is enough room for all of us, and that is just how I roll. You'll never see me dis another product, unless I really think it is crap. If you have a good product, I'm going to give you respect for that. Heck, I've helped other people get their products into retailers that I'm already on the shelf at. Life is too short to be so selfish.

I also respect folks that want to do their own thing. I've never been that kind of purist, but that's okay. I've made a lot of sauce, but still buy what I use. Haven't been able to top what I like already out there.

To each... their own way. Peace out!!! :cool:

Vince RnQ
09-11-2008, 04:37 PM
Todd, you're points are very well made and I totally agree that there is a lot of "noise" out there which sometimes makes it hard to find the genuinely good stuff. You have to learn to separate the "real deal" products from those that are primarily "noisemakers". I think developing this skill is part of becoming a good barbeque cook. You simply learn to taste the things that work. It's clear to me that you and I are on the same page on this subject.

spicewine
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
At the end of the day, the cream will rise to the top and each will be judged on their own results and merits. I too promote my direct competitors products, not because we are friends, but because they are good product. As for us manufacturers, I can tell you that alot of rub and sauce has hit the trash before a keeper was found. I respect the time and effort that is put into developing a product that may in some cases take years to develope and even more years to promote.

Spice

BobF
09-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Its great to this kind of attitude amoung the producers of products I like.
It amazes me how some people think the free market is a zero sum game - "If you make a sale thats one I can't make". Thats just not the way the market works. Sometimes multiple successes just expand the market, or even create new markets.

Richard_
09-11-2008, 10:10 PM
I highly recommend this stuff http://www.texasbbqrub.com/