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boatnut
04-14-2008, 06:43 PM
Ok, was out in garage measuring stuff. looks like the outside measurement on weber kettle "lip" is 22 5/8". The inside measurement of the drum appears to be 22 1/2". do i just take a cut of blade in my grinder and cut off about an inch of the kettle then slide it down into the drum till it snugs up? do i need to weld it? would like option of using both flat lid as well as kettle lid for hams/turkeys etc. Another option I think I have would be to weld the kettle lid to a spare flat lid then cut out the inside of the flat lid leaving about an inch "flange" all around.
Can anyone chime in???

JD McGee
04-14-2008, 06:48 PM
???...a 22 1/2 in Weber kettle lid fits perfectly on top of my 55 gallon drums. :confused: Swamprb has done a similar mod to his drums...I'm sure he'll chime in or you can sort through his drum mod posts...if you have a few days to kill! :twisted:

bertkemtncurs
04-14-2008, 06:58 PM
Never thought about welding the dome to a flat lid and cutting it out - good idea!

swamprb
04-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Flange mod! I do this for the open drums with lids, it allows me to use both lids. But one thing I have noticed using a Weber lid without the flange on closed drums is that they leak greasy condensation down the sides of the drums. With the flange it does not.

Closed drum with top cut out and kettle flange

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_2083.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_2085.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_2106.jpg

Open top drum with flange in place

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_1640.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_1639.jpg

Flange removed and drum lid in place

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_1638.jpg

I use a cut off tool on the kettle

boatnut
04-14-2008, 07:34 PM
swamp,
you da man...thanks for da quick response. gotta love this place. so looks like you cut maybe 1 1/2" off the weber kettle for the flange? and it just sits inside the drum. do you get much leakage around it or does it seal pretty tight? gonna have to get to work.

Single Fin Smoker
04-14-2008, 07:39 PM
Just do like Swamp says. I did and it works great. Your kettle ring just slides right in nice and snug without any welding.
I tried using some oven gasket(which worked pretty good), but it kept falling apart on me.

Oh yeah, I do notice that if I use another lid(other than the original) it does pull up a little bit when I take it off.

swamprb
04-14-2008, 08:28 PM
swamp,
you da man...thanks for da quick response. gotta love this place. so looks like you cut maybe 1 1/2" off the weber kettle for the flange? and it just sits inside the drum. do you get much leakage around it or does it seal pretty tight? gonna have to get to work.

On the open drums none of mine are the same, I ran a bead of Permatex Hi-temp silicone around them and virtually no leakage. If you put them in the closed drum top no leaks. I used a rotisserie ring on mine and the only leaks were around the spit rod cutouts.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/swamprb/Ugly%20Drum%20Smoker/100_2206.jpg

This is my "Patio Model" and you can see how the flange just sits on the lip of the drum, the red bead is the silicone and it does a great job.

BobBrisket
04-14-2008, 08:46 PM
Swamprb's is right about them all being different. My drum was banded and when I dropped the flange in...................it dropped all the way into the drum. I had to cut the center out of the drum lid and then use the lip that was left over along with the band in order to allow the flange to fit. I also cut the flange a little lower so that I could continue to use the grate tabs. Good luck on you build and keep the pron coming.
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38196&highlight=drum+is+done

Single Fin Smoker
04-15-2008, 02:18 AM
I just cut those little handle dealys off.

Beerwolf
04-15-2008, 10:45 AM
You guys are too complicated.... Just take a crescent wrench to the webber lid, barely open the wrench and use it to bend out the lip. You will have to do this about every 1/2 inch or so as you go around the lip, it wont even break the paint and its a lot better than thrashing a good webber kettle bottom which can be used later as a redneck fire pit

CircleW
01-19-2010, 09:59 AM
Beerwolf, could you post a pic of your method? I finally got a Weber lid and it is about 1/2in too small for my drum. I don't want to cut up the bottom of the Weber for a flange... Does your method seal well? Any problems?

Thanks!

T-Bird
01-19-2010, 10:29 AM
First drum I got was 22 3/4" diameter, Weber lid wouldn't fit. Second drum was 22 1/2", Weber lid fits like it was made for it...

Phubar
01-19-2010, 11:01 AM
First drum I got was 22 3/4" diameter, Weber lid wouldn't fit. Second drum was 22 1/2", Weber lid fits like it was made for it...


My donor Weber 22,5" fits perfectly on my UDS.
Recently I scored a 2nd hand Weber 18,5" for my Midi UDS.
After seeing your drum yesterday I decided to go further with mine.
The lid doesn't fit perfectly like the 22,5" lid does on the yellow UDS but I made a phonecall today to the place that welded my charcoal basket,gonna drop by tomorrow morning to let them fabricate a charcoal basket again and see if they can make my lid fit.
I do have a smaller barrel where the Weber lid fits perfectly on the drum lip so probably I'm gonna take that drum with me just in case so if needed they can cut the lip of the drum and weld it to the lip of the midi drum.
Probably gonna ask them first if they can do something to the lip like make it thinner/flatter.


http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv96/phubar/IMG_0001-12.jpg?t=1263920294
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv96/phubar/IMG_0002-12.jpg?t=1263920335

MushCreek
01-19-2010, 11:11 AM
I've made 2 UDS so far, and both were just a tad big for a Weber lid. I added a band of metal around the inside. On my stainless UDS, I bolted it. On the steelie, I welded it ever few inches. Both work well. I was going to seal it with silicon, but it doesn't seem necessary.

Rich Parker
01-19-2010, 11:14 AM
You guys are too complicated.... Just take a crescent wrench to the webber lid, barely open the wrench and use it to bend out the lip. You will have to do this about every 1/2 inch or so as you go around the lip, it wont even break the paint and its a lot better than thrashing a good webber kettle bottom which can be used later as a redneck fire pit

^^^what he said.

I used channel locks and bent the rim of the lid out, set it on the drum, and persuaded it back in place with a rubber hammer. Perfection!

sitnfat
01-19-2010, 12:12 PM
i did the same thing as rich bend the lip of the lid out then I mounted it where i wanted it and went all the way around with a rubber mallet tapping it to form around the drum works great!

Mark
01-19-2010, 12:34 PM
boatnut:

I did something similar to what you're contemplating. I made a ring out of a flat drum lid and the Weber kettle lid fit on that snugly. No welding.

Hotrodhog
01-19-2010, 01:03 PM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it, heres another thing about that, most open top drums fit perfectly when flipped over, the bottom of mine seals to perfection on my 30's and 55's

Hint, keep a lid in your car. i do.

millsy
01-19-2010, 01:52 PM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it, heres another thing about that, most open top drums fit perfectly when flipped over, the bottom of mine seals to perfection on my 30's and 55's

Hint, keep a lid in your car. i do.
I had to turn one upside down to find one that would fit also.I drove around with the lid in my car all summer looking for one until I tried one upside down.

Smokin' D
01-19-2010, 04:34 PM
Out here on the right coast most of the open top drums have too big of a diameter for the Weber top to fit without some modification to something. The closed drums though fit like a dream. Look for a drum that has a flat crimped edge and you should be good to go. The rounder, rolled edges are the ones that are too big. Pounding those flat won't help either.

Stef
01-19-2010, 04:45 PM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it
Many people don't have the luxury of passing up an available drum and must find a way to make things work with what they have.

Emil
01-19-2010, 05:49 PM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it, heres another thing about that, most open top drums fit perfectly when flipped over, the bottom of mine seals to perfection on my 30's and 55's

Hint, keep a lid in your car. i do.

I agree. We have found that open top drums have a very thick ring around the top. We take a closed drum, turn it over and cut the bottom out. When grinding it smooth we discovered that the metal is rolled over the bottom. Just pop it off and you gain quite a bit plus it is still reinforced. Not sure if you'll understand that.

sitnfat
01-19-2010, 05:56 PM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it, heres another thing about that, most open top drums fit perfectly when flipped over, the bottom of mine seals to perfection on my 30's and 55's

Hint, keep a lid in your car. i do.

my drum was free so i worked with what I saw not with what I could invision

InspectorQ
12-27-2010, 11:54 PM
This has been enlightening fellas.... Read most of the big thread. Found an open top drum and went to work.

The bottom of my drum fit the weber perfectly but I did not find that out until I had drilled the holes. So....

With the clamp removed my top sealed well. I cut off all of the weber edge except the dome. The weber then dropped right into the inside edge of the barrel top. I cut out the middle of the barrel lid and then slit the remaining edges and bent them up against the inside of the weber. Had it welded together. Sealed it with high temp and that was that.

Thank you for all your help.

You guys are the best.

jasonalan724
12-28-2010, 01:29 AM
No offense to anyone aboves post, but your all getting your tools out to quickly.
First of all, get the right drum, if it don't fit leave it, heres another thing about that, most open top drums fit perfectly when flipped over, the bottom of mine seals to perfection on my 30's and 55's

Hint, keep a lid in your car. i do.

So you put a lid on the bottom? and didnt use any of those tools others got out so quickly to cut the bottom out of your drum? Interesting... sounds like just as much if not more work to me.

Rich Parker
12-28-2010, 07:12 AM
I cut the bottoms out of my drum and use the weber lid. This makes it easy to clean and load with fuel.

HTTP://WWW.richardmparker.com/storage/07_24_09_uds_v1/Drum3.jpg

cdn
12-28-2010, 08:35 AM
I had this lid & a drum that did'nt fit so i did this. I wanted a hinged lid anyways. sit drum lid on drum, place dome lid on drum lid, remove paint from both areas to be welded. clamp the 3 together while welding to minimize warpage. cut out center of drum lid leaving approx. 1 in. from groove..

suprfast
12-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Never thought about welding the dome to a flat lid and cutting it out - good idea!

that is exactly what i did, but just note that the weber lids are made out of a super thin metal compared to the drum. ill post pics of mine

Southern Home Boy
12-28-2010, 03:20 PM
I used one of these
http://www.westtexasfeedersupply.com/images/products/med/IMG_0289.jpg (http://www.westtexasfeedersupply.com/images/products/lg/IMG_0289lg.jpg)
that I put inside the flat lid. It snugged up tight against the inside of the bulge of the flat lid that sealed over the lip of the barrel. Then I just used a bead of JB weld to adhere it and seal it. Worked better ''n any other lid I've ever made. Sorry, the pics I took of the finished smoker (which I gave as a Christmas present to a friend) got deleted from the camera in order to take pics of the kids opening their christmas morning goodies.

And let's just get this out of the way now: YES it is galvanized. The temperatures that I cook at are no where near hot enough to vaporize the zinc and I figure if you can abate asbestos with paint, you can abate zinc with a good cast-iron style seasoning.

FiremanVinny
02-15-2012, 04:27 PM
Dont know if I missed it but are you supposed to cut the lid out on top or from the side of a closed drum. I plan to use a weber lid. Right now it doesnt fit the the top or the bottom.