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Sid Post
06-11-2017, 09:29 AM
I am wondering how much of it is just downright great marketing versus building a great product at an acceptable price in the marketplace?

I see a lot of people talking about Blackstone griddles, see them tagged in a lot of signatures, and their advertising and big box store penetration is pretty thorough.

Is a Camp Chef or a Mexican grocer griddle just as good but, not marketed as effectively? Or is the Blackstone really better? I don't really need the portability of the Blackstone or Camp Chef models so, I have considered the Mexican market propane griddles and even a steel plate over a Turkey/Fish fryer propane burner.

Is Blackstone the Weber Kettle of griddles?

azken
06-11-2017, 10:19 AM
I'm sure all griddles have their plus and minuses..breaks down to personal preference I suppose. I bought my Blackstone because it was 17"..meets my needs..don't need portability..at a price I thought was fair. I've never looked back.

smoke ninja
06-11-2017, 10:23 AM
Nothing makes them special. A griddle top for a gasser is just as good. Its rhe price point and their positioning in the market that makes them popular

cowgirl
06-11-2017, 10:29 AM
I bought my Blackstone for the size, 36".
For the burner configuration, 4 rectangular burners, not round.
For the price. Bought it on sale for around $249. shipping included.
It's worked out well for me.

jasonjax
06-11-2017, 10:32 AM
I liked mine, but gave it away due to space issues. Keeping it seasoned is a PITA in Florida humidity also, but I felt it was pretty good quality.

I just picked up a FireDisc because it fits my cooking area better, and I am super happy with it. Expensive, but very durable.

cookingdude555
06-11-2017, 11:01 AM
People buy what they see. Just like BGE is not better in anyway in the marketplace, but they were one of the first, and their network is well established. However, I do believe the weber kettle to be better in every way over other similar grills. I have some blackstones and they work really good for me, but I am not against the idea that other flat tops wouldn't we as good or better.

cookingdude555
06-11-2017, 11:03 AM
I liked mine, but gave it away due to space issues. Keeping it seasoned is a PITA in Florida humidity also, but I felt it was pretty good quality.

I just picked up a FireDisc because it fits my cooking area better, and I am super happy with it. Expensive, but very durable.

That firedisc is a cool looking cooker.

KORND4WG X
06-11-2017, 11:05 AM
I liked mine, but gave it away due to space issues. Keeping it seasoned is a PITA in Florida humidity also, but I felt it was pretty good quality.

I just picked up a FireDisc because it fits my cooking area better, and I am super happy with it. Expensive, but very durable.

Same here :thumb: The BS was just too big for us and with the rain up here more work than I wanted to keep it seasoned.

FD can do most of what I need - I would say the only drawbacks are not being able to do over easy eggs and not as much flexibility with temperature control.

But for veggies it's great and I also fried some wings in it last weekend.

Cleanup is way easier and breaks down easily. Love it :clap2:

Norm
06-11-2017, 11:13 AM
I use mine about once a week. I store and cook with it in my big Morton building. They're not for everyone that's for sure but as a old short order cook it's about as close to the commercial kitchen ones as I can get.

highergr0und
06-11-2017, 11:24 AM
Seems to be pretty related to timing..... Blackstone had the right product at the right time with a good price point and availability at the biggest retailer in the world :) Camp Chef and the others now have to play a bit of catch up. Who knows if they have the ability to capitalize over the long term...

EdF
06-11-2017, 11:29 AM
Seems to be pretty related to timing..... Blackstone had the right product at the right time with a good price point and availability at the biggest retailer in the world :) Camp Chef and the others now have to play a bit of catch up. Who knows if they have the ability to capitalize over the long term...

You'll never hear a CEO attribute a company's success to luck along with the other "right stuff", but most of them do have a strong bit of luck involved!

Sfine118
06-11-2017, 12:28 PM
For me it was there when I needed it. And right time and right place sort of thing. Plus all the reviews from everyone here helped just a little bit.

ncmoose
06-11-2017, 01:11 PM
I got a 36 inch griddle for $237. I didn't see anywhere else I could do that.

SmittyJonz
06-11-2017, 01:15 PM
I went with the $97 Camp Chef option.......(except I got it on sale for $69 ) -SG 90 .

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gtsum
06-11-2017, 01:30 PM
Camp chef (pro models) are a good bit more money, and I like their griddle better, but I use it in the toy hauler as it's portable. I think blackstone was in the right place at the right time at a good price point.


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SmittyJonz
06-11-2017, 01:49 PM
Get a Taco cart......
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210547

quamdar
06-11-2017, 02:09 PM
I got one because it was insanely cheap on clearance at Walmart. Not sure if they're better or not but they are a good quality.

ssv3
06-11-2017, 02:48 PM
Taco carts too big, Mexican ones locally were flimsy and no Camp Chef's near me except the Expedition 3x at a Costco but I found that too small for me.

Bought my Blackstone 36 fairly early in '11 for $265 out the door which was a great price then as they hardly went on sale and weren't available everywhere like they are now. Used it until I scored the 28 at Wally World at which time I sold the 36 for 1/2 price.

Retrofitted my DCS gasser with the 28 that I scored. Fit like a glove and now I use it even more.

http://i.imgur.com/o3rcHYAh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QqqI3CPh.jpg

Sid Post
06-11-2017, 02:56 PM
I liked mine, but gave it away due to space issues. Keeping it seasoned is a PITA in Florida humidity also, but I felt it was pretty good quality.

I just picked up a FireDisc because it fits my cooking area better, and I am super happy with it. Expensive, but very durable.

I'm curious about any cooking differences you noted as it looks a lot like the Mexican grocer cookers I see around here at various places. I'm a little mixed on my feelings towards a round versus rectangular cooking surface and how oil drains and collects.

Is one more durable, easier to use, hotter, etc?

jasonjax
06-11-2017, 03:12 PM
I'm very happy with the FireDisc. It is a bit different than cooking on the Blackstone in that you don't have as defined a cooking temperature differential as you would with multiple burners. IE: to go from super hot to not so super hot you have to move the food to the outside of the pan.

I cooked 12 burgers on it for my inaugural cook and it was awesome. I just moved the burgers from the center to the outter area based on doneness. Also, was kind of nice to have the pooled grease to fry the burgers somewhat. I can however see that accumulated grease as a downside for certain cooks. Can always ladle it out though.

I also purchased a 120qt aluminum lid for it since I keep it outside (22" diameter) works perfectly to keep it clean between cooks and no rain from the wind getting in the pot for rust to kick in on the not so seasoned parts.

I also cooked Jambalaya in it which turned out beyond fantastic. Bacon chunks, push to the outside, sausage chunks, push to the outside, cook chicken pieces in the bacon/sausage grease, push to the outside, in goes the holy trinity, salte and push to outside, add crushed/diced tomatoes, chicken broth infused with the shrimp tales/shells, combine everything, simmer away. Add fresh shrimp. Done.

Here's some pics from the cook:

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Sid Post
06-11-2017, 03:19 PM
Camp chef (pro models) are a good bit more money, and I like their griddle better, but I use it in the toy hauler as it's portable. I think blackstone was in the right place at the right time at a good price point.

I see a Camp Chef Flat Top Grill that is $349 everywhere. Is the one you are referring too?

Why do you like it better than the Blackstone? Is the flat top griddle really better or is is the Camp Chef frame and side shelves that tips things in its favor?

Sid Post
06-11-2017, 03:42 PM
I'm very happy with the FireDisc. It is a bit different than cooking on the Blackstone in that you don't have as defined a cooking temperature differential as you would with multiple burners. IE: to go from super hot to not so super hot you have to move the food to the outside of the pan.

I cooked 12 burgers on it for my inaugural cook and it was awesome. I just moved the burgers from the center to the outter area based on doneness. Also, was kind of nice to have the pooled grease to fry the burgers somewhat. I can however see that accumulated grease as a downside for certain cooks. Can always ladle it out though.

I also purchased a 120qt aluminum lid for it since I keep it outside (22" diameter) works perfectly to keep it clean between cooks and no rain from the wind getting in the pot for rust to kick in on the not so seasoned parts.

I also cooked Jambalaya in it which turned out beyond fantastic. Bacon chunks, push to the outside, sausage chunks, push to the outside, cook chicken pieces in the bacon/sausage grease, push to the outside, in goes the holy trinity, salte and push to outside, add crushed/diced tomatoes, chicken broth infused with the shrimp tales/shells, combine everything, simmer away. Add fresh shrimp. Done.

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Thanks! That makes it look almost like a Paella pan!

To be honest, I was thinking more along the lines of Cheese Steaks and Breakfast items so, a rectangular griddle is probably better. However, I could see that FireDisc working out well for me too.

16Adams
06-11-2017, 03:45 PM
I bought mine because cowgirl made a spatula:-)

Sid Post
06-11-2017, 03:46 PM
Get a Taco cart......
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210547

Tony's taco cart looks awesome! Unfortunately, even ignoring extra costs, it is just too big to be practical for my cooks.

A ~thousand dollars would get me half way to a Shirly Fabrication patio model. :shock: Priorities, priorities ...

cowgirl
06-11-2017, 03:47 PM
I bought mine because cowgirl made a spatula:-)


:laugh: :thumb:

Smokie185
06-11-2017, 04:51 PM
I am wondering how much of it is just downright great marketing versus building a great product at an acceptable price in the marketplace?

I see a lot of people talking about Blackstone griddles, see them tagged in a lot of signatures, and their advertising and big box store penetration is pretty thorough.

Is a Camp Chef or a Mexican grocer griddle just as good but, not marketed as effectively? Or is the Blackstone really better? I don't really need the portability of the Blackstone or Camp Chef models so, I have considered the Mexican market propane griddles and even a steel plate over a Turkey/Fish fryer propane burner.

Is Blackstone the Weber Kettle of griddles?

I chose the Camp Chef 36 inch because I saw several reviews stating that the stand on the Blackstone was a bit on the flimsy side.

I have looked at the Blackstone in Walmart and I do think the Camp Chef has a sturdier stand.

I will say that either one will do a good job and cooking on a flat top is a lot of fun.

Mt.man511
06-11-2017, 05:30 PM
Check out Royal Gourmet they have flat tops and have very good reviews that's the one i'm going to by when i can swing it, i like the look and the shelves are up higher than the Blackstone.
Just a little smaller than the Blackstone but not much smaller.

gtsum
06-11-2017, 05:56 PM
I see a Camp Chef Flat Top Grill that is $349 everywhere. Is the one you are referring too?



Why do you like it better than the Blackstone? Is the flat top griddle really better or is is the Camp Chef frame and side shelves that tips things in its favor?



I have a camp chef pro 90 three burner stove with a griddle. The griddle is heavier than the blackstone and the entire system seems heavier built than comparable blackstones. Camp chef made their name in outdoor, camping type environment...household use likely not as popular? Plus it folds down for transport (important for me since it's in the toy hauler). If I was looking for a flattop for the deck at home, the blackstone would be in serious consideration though


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Demosthenes9
06-11-2017, 05:57 PM
The way I kind of remember it is that someone found a deal on the BS36, got one, told others about it, then somewhat of a frenzy ensued. Great product, great price, vouched for by others here and it looked like a lot of fun.

At the time, I don't think Camp Chef had one on the market yet. they did have camp stoves and griddle accessories, which is a route that some went. I think there it was mainly for the portability (for those that bought the stove and griddle), or as Smitty did, as an accessory for the grill.

Once CC introduced their flat top, the waters got a bit muddled as there was now a legit competitor to the BS.

Smokie185
06-11-2017, 06:39 PM
I see a Camp Chef Flat Top Grill that is $349 everywhere. Is the one you are referring too?

Why do you like it better than the Blackstone? Is the flat top griddle really better or is is the Camp Chef frame and side shelves that tips things in its favor?

You can get the Camp Chef much cheaper from Outdoor Cooking.
Typically 299 plus free shipping. This is where I got mine.

https://www.outdoorcooking.com/flat-top-grill.html

Sid Post
06-11-2017, 06:57 PM
Thanks everyone!

It looks like my two best options in the ~$300 range are the Camp Chef "PRO" with 3 burners and accessory griddle or the Royal Gourmet GB4000.

Can anyone with experience with these two griddles comment on the differences, both good and bad? I don't see any personal utility with the Camp Chef removable griddle since I can always put a pot on the griddle (similar to a French top stove) and I don't need a skillet for cooking with the griddle.

The Camp Chef is 90K (3x30K) BTUs versus the Royal Gourmet at 52K BTUs (4x13K). Does this make any difference other than preheat times and recovery time if I toss a bunch of cold stuff on at once?

Are the carts both sturdy and competitive with each other? Do both have good stable shelves for a saucepan of vegetables, mashed potatoes, or early morning oatmeal?

Smokie185
06-11-2017, 07:08 PM
Thanks everyone!

It looks like my two best options in the ~$300 range are the Camp Chef "PRO" with 3 burners and accessory griddle or the Royal Gourmet GB4000.

Can anyone with experience with these two griddles comment on the differences, both good and bad? I don't see any personal utility with the Camp Chef removable griddle since I can always put a pot on the griddle (similar to a French top stove) and I don't need a skillet for cooking with the griddle.

The Camp Chef is 90K (3x30K) BTUs versus the Royal Gourmet at 52K BTUs (4x13K). Does this make any difference other than preheat times and recovery time if I toss a bunch of cold stuff on at once?

Are the carts both sturdy and competitive with each other? Do both have good stable shelves for a saucepan of vegetables, mashed potatoes, or early morning oatmeal?

If you have a Costco near, you might want to check there. Locally, Costco has a three burner Camp Chef stove for $179. With the Camp Chef system, you can get all kinds of accessories.

I bought a Denali Pro 3X at Costco for $125 and now I have the pizza oven that fits the 16 inch system. I am really impressed with the Camp Chef system.

pmad
06-11-2017, 07:09 PM
Just like BGE is not better in anyway in the marketplace,

If you consider customer service as part of the product, I have to disagree with your assertion.

Southstar Jeff
06-11-2017, 08:28 PM
I really like the Camp Chef pro 3 burner. Got the griddle that covers 2 burners, so we can still use on for a pot. 24" gridddle is plenty for us, and is much more Versatile then a dedicated griddle.

gtsum
06-11-2017, 08:31 PM
I really like the Camp Chef pro 3 burner. Got the griddle that covers 2 burners, so we can still use on for a pot. 24" gridddle is plenty for us, and is much more Versatile then a dedicated griddle.



That's my exact setup for the camper. Love it. 30k btu's each burner...serious power for low country boils, frying turkeys or wings, or fish etc. the griddle is no joke...has some weight to it


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Sid Post
06-11-2017, 11:22 PM
I really like the Camp Chef pro 3 burner. Got the griddle that covers 2 burners, so we can still use on for a pot. 24" gridddle is plenty for us, and is much more Versatile then a dedicated griddle.

That's my exact setup for the camper. Love it. 30k btu's each burner...serious power for low country boils, frying turkeys or wings, or fish etc. the griddle is no joke...has some weight to it

I've got a turkey fryer around here somewhere so, frying turkeys, canning, etc. can be covered with that but, I must admit I "use" it so frequently I'm not real sure where it is. :noidea:

A big griddle would be nice when my friend has family reunions at his place and various community group events. For myself, I would rarely need the full 36" of capacity but, you never know when something might come up where the extra space comes in handy.

The one drawback I really have with the Camp Chef is the lack of a good cart. I can get the burner section pretty cheap but, the griddles seem to be a bit spendy. The Royal Gourmet cart and large griddle look like a nice alternative. :decision:

AussieMatt
06-12-2017, 06:39 AM
I sort of went the same route as Smitty. I really wanted a Blackstone but I have a stainless Kenmore grill that's 12 years old, we never use it but there's nothing wrong with it.

I was going to be in Florida with my truck, so I got a hold of dwfisk and he made me a fisk griddle for the gasser. It's in there permanently as it was a very tight fit, but we use it at least once a week for breakfast but also do burgers, veggies etc.

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Rodbolt
06-13-2017, 07:23 AM
The Camp Chef is solid and has the Swiss Army knife appeal. The Blackstone is considerably better for my use as its 25% larger griddle is significant for breakfast and full meal cooks plus the Blackstone burners keep a more even griddle tempature.

I'd have kept the Camp Chef for camping only but have good single options for grilling, burner, skottle etc. Have a Blackstone at both houses, they get used a lot.