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trax
08-30-2015, 03:35 AM
Im an aussie and bbq has just exploded over here and its awesome their is heaps of comps coming up 18 ABA sanctioned comps planned for next year doesnt sound like much but thats huge for australia. Anyway ive been looking at all the different types of smokers lately and im very interested in the vertical type smokers but im just wondering why i havnt seen anything like a vertical stick burner do they exist? All the vertical smokers ive seen so far all use charcoal as a heat source and add wood for the smoke/flavor noone seems to use just wood like an offset... why is this? I tbough someone would have made something like this already or am i looking in the wrong places?

CambuiAl
08-30-2015, 05:03 AM
There´s quite a few, but mostly US manufacturers. Have a look at BattleBox smokers, for example: http://battleboxbbq.com/gallery/

dwfisk
08-30-2015, 05:34 AM
Like these?
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184141
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180290
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162551
All are stickburners or can burn lump or brickettes.

bbqwizard
08-30-2015, 05:41 AM
Dave Klose, owner of Klose BBQ Pits makes and sells them. Pricey and heavy, but always great quality.

ButtBurner
08-30-2015, 06:09 AM
As far as I know Battleboxes are not stickburners

here is one of the most popular ones on this forum

http://www.lonestargrillz.com/Vertical-Smokers.html

trax
08-30-2015, 06:40 AM
The lonestar and klose are the closest to what i was thinking with them actually being a stick burner im not after anything that burns lump charcoal but why do they have the firebox offset do you think? why not have it straight under the racks like the lump burners stumps bq or lonestar verticals.

ButtBurner
08-30-2015, 06:46 AM
The lonestar and klose are the closest to what i was thinking with them actually being a stick burner im not after anything that burns lump charcoal but why do they have the firebox offset do you think? why not have it straight under the racks like the lump burners stumps bq or lonestar verticals.

Probably becasue it would get too hot

I bet you have never seen one of these. Its a old New Braunfels El Dorado I have at my cabin. It has the firebox underneath as you can see, it can but straight wood, charcoal, or how I have it set up in this pics to sear some steaks!! Its a great versatile pit!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/d1MdnNg4NY4i-NF8khBVFwDypINzDUdD3UBUe2-bCj4=w1200-h675-no

In this pic I just took the cover off it after storage, but you can see it better.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B19evw2UjcgMBTfAAE_4vCfTRQPQaxgXF1GJgyiqWK4=w1200-h675-no

trax
08-30-2015, 06:59 AM
No never seen one does it cook well? And if you had the vertical set up with the firebox below the racks then had a couple of carefully placed baffles i dont see how it would be to much different to the klose and lonestar offset verticals

dwfisk
08-30-2015, 07:19 AM
The lonestar and klose are the closest to what i was thinking with them actually being a stick burner im not after anything that burns lump charcoal but why do they have the firebox offset do you think? why not have it straight under the racks like the lump burners stumps bq or lonestar verticals.

I think there is a lot of well deserved tradition driving the offset vertical design (they work really well). Many like them because they can offer the option of direct grilling/searing or smoking all in one package.

In our experience there are a few keys to making a true vertical work as a stickburner. IMO, a heavy baffel separating the firebox from the cook chamber is critical, I generally use 1/4-3/8 inch plate and if, for example, I'm building a 24x24 inch square vertical, the baffel will be something like 22x22 inches just leaving a 1 inch gap around the baffel for heat/smoke to get up into the cook chamber. Also, a little more height to the firebox before the baffle and a little more separation between the baffle and first cooking grate (+/-6 inches) seem to really help with maintaining even temps in the cook chamber. Finally, I find you don't need a large fire when running a vertical stickburner; I cut my splts down to no more than 2x2x16 and rarely need more than 2-3 per hour once a good coal bed is established.

I really don't see any difference in the quality of the BBQ between my verticals and my big offsets (traditional or RF) and a lot of folks really like the relatively large cooking area compared to a small footprint that a vertical can offer.

Just my $0.02

trax
08-30-2015, 07:29 AM
I think there is a lot of well deserved tradition driving the offset vertical design (they work really well). Many like them because they can offer the option of direct grilling/searing or smoking all in one package.

In our experience there are a few keys to making a true vertical work as a stickburner. IMO, a heavy baffel separating the firebox from the cook chamber is critical, I generally use 1/4-3/8 inch plate and if, for example, I'm building a 24x24 inch square vertical, the baffel will be something like 22x22 inches just leaving a 1 inch gap around the baffel for heat/smoke to get up into the cook chamber. Also, a little more height to the firebox before the baffle and a little more separation between the baffle and first cooking grate (+/-6 inches) seem to really help with maintaining even temps in the cook chamber. Finally, I find you don't need a large fire when running a vertical stickburner; I cut my splts down to no more than 2x2x16 and rarely need more than 2-3 per hour once a good coal bed is established.

I really don't see any difference in the quality of the BBQ between my verticals and my big offsets (traditional or RF) and a lot of folks really like the relatively large cooking area compared to a small footprint that a vertical can offer.

Just my $0.02

No i like it do you have any pics of your vertical sounds nore like what im after or a web page or facbook page? Also instead of a baffel plate what if you used a waterpan same size techniqually that would have a similar effect do you think?

dwfisk
08-30-2015, 07:38 AM
No i like it do you have any pics of your vertical sounds nore like what im after or a web page or facbook page? Also instead of a baffel plate what if you used a waterpan same size techniqually that would have a similar effect do you think?

Lots of pics and design/build detail in the links provided above. I'm personally not a big fan of water cookers but I have cooked on my verticals with a water pan on either the lowest cooking grate or directly on top of the baffle; works very well to balance out temps but like I said I'm more of a dry heat fan.

ButtBurner
08-30-2015, 08:08 AM
No never seen one does it cook well? And if you had the vertical set up with the firebox below the racks then had a couple of carefully placed baffles i dont see how it would be to much different to the klose and lonestar offset verticals

yes it cooks great. There is one long tilted baffle/drip tray that runs the length and sits near the bottom (mine was missing so I have to make one) that has a slight V bend in it to channel the drippings into a bucket that is placed on the far right of the lower shelf.

There are brackets for 4 layers of racks, but I usually only use the top one since I dont do large amounts of meat on this pit, but the lower racks would probably be much hotter since they are a lot closer to the fire

It does make a great chicken cooker too

Fwismoker
08-30-2015, 08:42 AM
Figured it'd be fitting to have the original vertical stick burner in here. lol

No baffle and no drip pan...got a feeling they were onto something with this concept!

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee407/Amerivet/barbacoa%201_zpsel5aagq9.jpg (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/Amerivet/media/barbacoa%201_zpsel5aagq9.jpg.html)

GreenDrake
08-30-2015, 09:01 AM
I guess you could consider the Good One's to be this. I have cooked on them before, their simplicity in heat management is solid, they put out a good product. http://thegood-one.com/smokers-grills/the-good-one-smokers-2/

Swine Spectator
08-30-2015, 09:05 AM
Probably becasue it would get too hot

I bet you have never seen one of these. Its a old New Braunfels El Dorado I have at my cabin. It has the firebox underneath as you can see, it can but straight wood, charcoal, or how I have it set up in this pics to sear some steaks!! Its a great versatile pit!



My first "real" pit was a very used El Dorado that I got for free and restored:

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=731&pictureid=9777

I really liked that pit. It was an interesting design and a great cooker. Unfortunately, it went away after spending a week in saltwater in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. :mad: (10 years ago today, actually)

It is memorialized in my signature.

I saved up and bought my Klose, but if I ever find one on CL, I'll jump on it and face the wrath of Mrs. Spectator.

Red Valley BBQ
08-30-2015, 10:27 AM
To answer your question, yes.

https://youngstown.craigslist.org/for/5177795846.html

cholloway
08-30-2015, 10:54 AM
I consider my NB Bandera to be a vertical stick burner.

bri134
08-30-2015, 01:16 PM
Yes... it's called a campfire. The Original Vertical Stickburner :D

SmittyJonz
08-30-2015, 01:17 PM
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u645/bobjones79/5651EF51-0533-405D-B7B3-E64DBCC21CA7_zpsio1nouhw.jpg (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/bobjones79/media/5651EF51-0533-405D-B7B3-E64DBCC21CA7_zpsio1nouhw.jpg.html)

http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u645/bobjones79/6936B0D2-FC58-4756-ABFE-B7735DCFE7E0_zpsct7ubacn.jpg (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/bobjones79/media/6936B0D2-FC58-4756-ABFE-B7735DCFE7E0_zpsct7ubacn.jpg.html)

ssv3
08-30-2015, 01:26 PM
Yes

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-EV0GeL0GvZM/VFBO-odVrNI/AAAAAAAAKkM/tRtFlTFkEkI/w400-h600-no/IMG_1440.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-a0lH1c7DeCE/VGEbUp6pCxI/AAAAAAAAKx4/VQHamkarxCk/w1086-h611-no/20141109_153535.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mI2lOly5wB4/VGEZ10Q6EjI/AAAAAAAAKvo/qP8ehhx3Tww/w344-h611-no/20141109_065922.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--95-P-l_xh0/VKXx680hR_I/AAAAAAAALBQ/RrrtUM6a-xw/w1358-h764-no/20141231_194920.jpg

oldbill
08-30-2015, 03:15 PM
Lone Star Grillz is the "chit" when it comes to vertical stick burners,... of course I'm a little biased since I own a pit that's almost identical to ssv3's.:becky:

trax
08-30-2015, 06:29 PM
Thanks for the inout guys seems like lonestar is the closest thing to what im after. But ill keep an eye out

olewarthog
08-31-2015, 01:48 PM
Bubba Grills new T3 is a cabinet style stick burner. First time at a comp using the prototype, Bubba Grills recorded a perfect score in pulled pork & took Reserve Grand Champion.

http://bubbagrills.net/t3-steam/

Peterock4040
08-31-2015, 03:19 PM
Vertical Cabinet Smokers are usually insulated meaning that they require a fraction of the fuel that a "stick burner" would consume during a cook. Using a less expensive, predictable fuel source like a briquette charcoal in conjunction with a hard wood (for flavor) makes a bit more sense than burning wood exclusively. You can control burn times, temperatures and even amount of smoke flavor using both fuels.

You can burn sticks in a vertical smoker but from my experience they are easier, more predictable and less expensive to run (if cooking volume) on a combination of both wood and charcoal.

Smoke Point
08-31-2015, 03:44 PM
Thank you. Now I know what I have. Picked one up a year ago and I'm still trying to learn all the tricks of running it. I'll start a new thread to avoid hijacking, but I never knew what to call it when I asked questions.

Ben


Probably becasue it would get too hot

I bet you have never seen one of these. Its a old New Braunfels El Dorado I have at my cabin. It has the firebox underneath as you can see, it can but straight wood, charcoal, or how I have it set up in this pics to sear some steaks!! Its a great versatile pit!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/d1MdnNg4NY4i-NF8khBVFwDypINzDUdD3UBUe2-bCj4=w1200-h675-no

In this pic I just took the cover off it after storage, but you can see it better.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B19evw2UjcgMBTfAAE_4vCfTRQPQaxgXF1GJgyiqWK4=w1200-h675-no

ButtBurner
08-31-2015, 04:20 PM
Thank you. Now I know what I have. Picked one up a year ago and I'm still trying to learn all the tricks of running it. I'll start a new thread to avoid hijacking, but I never knew what to call it when I asked questions.

Ben

yes please start a thread on this pit. I am open to suggestions and ideas how to use it better.

nucornhusker
08-31-2015, 04:56 PM
Yoder Smokers makes the Stockton and it is imported into Australia by Grill Pro. Check your PM's.

Big Ron
12-01-2015, 08:45 PM
I cook on a vertical stick burner. I have several YouTube videos. Search Big Ron's Patio BBQ Smoker. I love it

https://youtu.be/BV7lqPKVzTI

TheHojo
12-01-2015, 09:32 PM
Another options is the vertical stick burner built by Johnson Smokers


http://www.johnsonsmokers.com/vertical-smoker/

SmittyJonz
12-01-2015, 09:52 PM
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u645/bobjones79/22C1ACFC-4D5E-49EC-8E2B-3E62F6D4DBA6_zpsbpa7fqep.jpg (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/bobjones79/media/22C1ACFC-4D5E-49EC-8E2B-3E62F6D4DBA6_zpsbpa7fqep.jpg.html)

Fwismoker
12-01-2015, 09:54 PM
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u645/bobjones79/22C1ACFC-4D5E-49EC-8E2B-3E62F6D4DBA6_zpsbpa7fqep.jpg (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/bobjones79/media/22C1ACFC-4D5E-49EC-8E2B-3E62F6D4DBA6_zpsbpa7fqep.jpg.html)


Definitely one of my favorites on here ....besides the LSG vertical of course.

Oh and those Johnson verticals are the BOMB :heh:

SmittyJonz
12-01-2015, 10:08 PM
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u645/bobjones79/12440D68-6B6C-4D26-8C45-6825E4C1A3BB_zpszgsfzkyd.jpg (http://s1326.photobucket.com/user/bobjones79/media/12440D68-6B6C-4D26-8C45-6825E4C1A3BB_zpszgsfzkyd.jpg.html)

1MoreFord
12-02-2015, 07:46 PM
Gator Pit makes a vertical.

http://www.gatorpit.net/backyard_pits/smokin_gator.htm

htrisna
12-02-2015, 08:23 PM
Here's my LSG vertical stickburner:

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii530/htrisna/bbq/f2ac4dc69ef346faf33811a08665f88d.jpg

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii530/htrisna/bbq/00000000-0000-0000-0000-0000000010EF.jpg

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii530/htrisna/bbq/90ce3375b9f643a6c91468604f571eff.jpg

http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii530/htrisna/bbq/a84db080.jpg

SoHappy
12-02-2015, 09:33 PM
Karubecue makes a vertical wood burning smoker. It is a great smoker but is not the "conventional" stick burner. You can see it here: www.kbq.us Check out the testimonials if you wish. You can also find it on Amazon and even more reviews.

BigHatBBQ
12-03-2015, 01:40 PM
http://bighatbbq.squarespace.com/storage/marfaopen.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=136198173 9214This guy makes a nice vertical wood smoker.
https://flic.kr/p/g9pYR4https://flic.kr/p/g9pYR4
https://flic.kr/p/g9pYR4

Oldyote
12-03-2015, 02:10 PM
Arizona BBQ Outfitters

Dog not included

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j328/ricschaefer1/20150530_110435-1_zpskynyhoao.jpg (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ricschaefer1/media/20150530_110435-1_zpskynyhoao.jpg.html)