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Maylar
08-29-2015, 03:35 PM
I'm wanting to do some Chicago style dawgs, and I have no idea what "sport peppers" are, or where to find them in the grocery store. I've assumed that they're pickled, and have been looking in the pickle isles here without success. What are they, exactly?

Thanks

And oh yeah, can't find poppy seed buns either, but I'm willing to cheat on that...

landarc
08-29-2015, 03:42 PM
Ron_L will be here at any moment to fill you in.

But, sport peppers are a type of pickled hot pepper, they are the small, green and quite piquant. And, near as I can remember, only available in Chicago and surrounds.

SmokinIllini
08-29-2015, 03:49 PM
Look here. (smile.amazon.com/VIENNA-SPORT-PEPPERS-CHICAGO-DOGS/dp/B003MX1BFU/ref=sr_1_1?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1440881272&sr=1-1&keywords=sport+peppers) And don't forget the neon green relish.

Ron_L
08-29-2015, 03:51 PM
Yep. They are pickled capsicum annum. You may be able to find them under the Vienna brand. I can post a picture when I get back to my computer.

LYU370
08-29-2015, 04:40 PM
Around here they're in the pickle aisle, but also check some of the ethnic aisles. Some of the brands available are:

Alpino brand Sport Peppers
Marconi brand Sport Peppers
Vienna Sport Peppers
Dell' Alpe brand
IL Primo

The last two are usually in the Italian foods aisle.

Actually sport peppers aren't really a requirement. Almost all of the hot dog joints will usually ask if you want peppers or not. Even if you say you want everything on them.

Make sure you use 100% beef hot dogs and steam your buns. And NEVER EVER put ketchup on a dog!!!!

Harbormaster
08-29-2015, 04:44 PM
Just saw them at my meat store the other day. The had a display shelf with all of the fixins for Chicago dogs.

It wasn't easy, but I resisted.

Shagdog
08-29-2015, 05:49 PM
Sport peppers and hot giardinarre are just 2 more reasons Chicago rules! :rockon:

Ron_L
08-29-2015, 08:49 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/Ron_L/004FD2DD-C1E5-40F8-B832-FF3144FC9AEB_zpstnycbqgr.jpg

LYU370
08-29-2015, 09:23 PM
Ya forgot the pickle.

jemezspring
08-29-2015, 09:35 PM
Around here they're in the pickle aisle, but also check some of the ethnic aisles. Some of the brands available are:

Alpino brand Sport Peppers
Marconi brand Sport Peppers
Vienna Sport Peppers
Dell' Alpe brand
IL Primo

The last two are usually in the Italian foods aisle.

Actually sport peppers aren't really a requirement. Almost all of the hot dog joints will usually ask if you want peppers or not. Even if you say you want everything on them.

Make sure you use 100% beef hot dogs and steam your buns. And NEVER EVER put ketchup on a dog!!!!

Now that's a Chicago boy. I want a couple dawgs.

Maylar
08-30-2015, 08:23 AM
Ya forgot the pickle.

'Zactly. I'll look in the ethnic isles tonite when I go shopping. Thanks for that tip. Otherwise I guess I'll hafta hit Amazon.

Seems odd I've never seen a Chicago dawg offered here in CT, not even in the summer baseball season or on the food carts at fairs and stuff. Looks to me to be a culinary delight that Yankees have been missing out on. Long live, Chicago.

I have lots of green relish (love it on burgers). Other than the neon green color is there anything special about the Vienna stuff?

Thanx

Ron_L
08-30-2015, 08:25 AM
Ya forgot the pickle.

:thumb:

We came home from our recent houseboat trip with a bottle of dill relish, so I used that in place of a pickle spear. Not traditional, but what else am I going to do with dill relish? :confused:

LYU370
08-30-2015, 11:42 AM
I have lots of green relish (love it on burgers). Other than the neon green color is there anything special about the Vienna stuff?
Nope, it's basically sweet pickle relish. I suppose if you really wanted to, you could try doctoring some up yourself. Just add a drop of blue food coloring and a bit of turmeric if you have it, or a drop of yellow food coloring.

arclite
08-30-2015, 11:46 AM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/Ron_L/004FD2DD-C1E5-40F8-B832-FF3144FC9AEB_zpstnycbqgr.jpg


Ya forgot the pickle.

But he didn't forget the most overlooked and key ingredient. Celery salt

Ron_L
08-30-2015, 11:52 AM
Nope, it's basically sweet pickle relish. I suppose if you really wanted to, you could try doctoring some up yourself. Just add a drop of blue food coloring and a bit of turmeric if you have it, or a drop of yellow food coloring.

I think it is sweeter than regular sweet relish, but that may vary by brand.

LYU370
08-30-2015, 12:07 PM
Or you can make another version of the Chicago dog made famous by an iconic stand called Gene & Jude's (http://www.geneandjudes.com/). Some still argue that it's the best hot dog in Chicago. A little further west out in my neck of the woods in Streamwood is Nana's Original (http://www.theoriginalnanashotdogs.com/). Nana was Gene's daughter. It's not owned by the family anymore, but the dogs are still the same.


Anatomy of a Chicago "Depression Dog":


http://www.geneandjudes.com/media/rokgallery/2/25e4c426-b9a9-4a37-a7e9-2741797a06d7/82d78284-a31c-4766-b3b9-d7cd20c7736d.jpg

arclite
08-30-2015, 12:35 PM
Or you can make another version of the Chicago dog made famous by an iconic stand called Gene & Jude's (http://www.geneandjudes.com/). Some still argue that it's the best hot dog in Chicago. A little further west out in my neck of the woods in Streamwood is Nana's Original (http://www.theoriginalnanashotdogs.com/). Nana was Gene's daughter. It's not owned by the family anymore, but the dogs are still the same.


Anatomy of a Chicago "Depression Dog":


http://www.geneandjudes.com/media/rokgallery/2/25e4c426-b9a9-4a37-a7e9-2741797a06d7/82d78284-a31c-4766-b3b9-d7cd20c7736d.jpg

Gene and Jude's is just plain wrong. :crazy: :becky:

My wife grew up eating Nana's. We make the pilgrimage at least once a year. It's not my style, but still a fine dog.

For all the hype Hot Dougs got from the foodies, he still sold a proper Chicago hot dog for $1.75.

64Driver
08-30-2015, 12:48 PM
Y'all are forgetting the poppy-seed bun!

Maylar
08-30-2015, 03:36 PM
Y'all are forgetting the poppy-seed bun!

Unobtanium around here. Unless I buy a case offa Amazon.

jermoQ
08-30-2015, 05:35 PM
in the Hispanic food section but no where else in a store. They were La Preferida brand. Not sure why they are hard to find as pickles being that they are pickled peppers?

arclite
08-30-2015, 06:22 PM
Y'all are forgetting the poppy-seed bun!

Poppy seed isn't a requirement, Neither are tomatoes and as discussed, sport peppers are requested.

Mustard, relish, onion, pickle (and to a lesser extent celery salt) are the most universal toppings.

Tomatoes seem to be more prevalent on the northside. On rare occasion you see sauerkraut.

Some stands use poppy seed buns, some don't.

Even an all-beef dog isn't required. It's only been in the last 20 years when Vienna/Dave Berg and Hebrew National became the dominant sausage style did all-beef become a thing. You can still get Leon's, which is a pork/beef dog sometimes referred to as the "gentile dog", at some of the older stands around the city.

Then there is the delicious Superdawg, which is not a Chicago hot dog. It's a Superdawg. And Maxwell Polish...

sorry for the hijack. I really like my Chicago dogs.

martyleach
08-30-2015, 11:10 PM
I cannot imagine having french fries on my hot dot. Urp!

Ron_L
08-30-2015, 11:35 PM
Poppy seed isn't a requirement, Neither are tomatoes and as discussed, sport peppers are requested.

Mustard, relish, onion, pickle (and to a lesser extent celery salt) are the most universal toppings.

Tomatoes seem to be more prevalent on the northside. On rare occasion you see sauerkraut.

Some stands use poppy seed buns, some don't.

Even an all-beef dog isn't required. It's only been in the last 20 years when Vienna/Dave Berg and Hebrew National became the dominant sausage style did all-beef become a thing. You can still get Leon's, which is a pork/beef dog sometimes referred to as the "gentile dog", at some of the older stands around the city.

Then there is the delicious Superdawg, which is not a Chicago hot dog. It's a Superdawg. And Maxwell Polish...

sorry for the hijack. I really like my Chicago dogs.

Don't forget the Char Dog :thumb:

arclite
08-31-2015, 12:21 AM
Don't forget the Char Dog :thumb:

Oh yes, with Merkt's cheddar fries on that order. :thumb:

64Driver
08-31-2015, 04:39 PM
Poppy seed isn't a requirement, Neither are tomatoes and as discussed, sport peppers are requested.

Mustard, relish, onion, pickle (and to a lesser extent celery salt) are the most universal toppings.

Tomatoes seem to be more prevalent on the northside. On rare occasion you see sauerkraut.

Some stands use poppy seed buns, some don't.

Even an all-beef dog isn't required. It's only been in the last 20 years when Vienna/Dave Berg and Hebrew National became the dominant sausage style did all-beef become a thing. You can still get Leon's, which is a pork/beef dog sometimes referred to as the "gentile dog", at some of the older stands around the city.

Then there is the delicious Superdawg, which is not a Chicago hot dog. It's a Superdawg. And Maxwell Polish...

sorry for the hijack. I really like my Chicago dogs.

I grew up in the city on the south side, guess it's a poppy seed area since just about every place had them. Not all, but definitely most. I agree it's not a requirement, but usually when someone describes a true Chicago dog, poppy seed buns are mentioned. Even the classic Vienna beef "Chicago hot dog" poster in most joints shows a poppy seed bun. Over the years, new places try to put their spin on it to stand out, but I grew up on the topping pictured. To each their own though....

arclite
08-31-2015, 05:06 PM
I grew up in the city on the south side, guess it's a poppy seed area since just about every place had them. Not all, but definitely most. I agree it's not a requirement, but usually when someone describes a true Chicago dog, poppy seed buns are mentioned. Even the classic Vienna beef "Chicago hot dog" poster in most joints shows a poppy seed bun. Over the years, new places try to put their spin on it to stand out, but I grew up on the topping pictured. To each their own though....

I get what you mean. I was a teenager the first time I went to the old Demon Dogs and freaked out that they didn't have tomatoes as a topping. It's surprising how much variation is out there for such a Chicago staple.

batboy
09-01-2015, 12:25 PM
This is the perfect thread to hijack. My wife recently fell in love with Chicago style hotdogs (she's a NY/NJ girl who grew up on dirty water dogs), and I would like to make her my best rendition of a Chicago dog.

So far I have the sport peppers, Chicago-style relish, mustard, onion, celery salt, and tomato. Looking for poppy seed buns locally. Remembering that I want to stay authentic, what type of pickles and hot dogs should I buy, and how should I cook the dog?

CraigC
09-01-2015, 12:31 PM
Sure look like Serrano chilis. Just like the ones in Cave Creek Chile Beer.

Dillo_Duster
09-01-2015, 12:54 PM
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d172/Ron_L/004FD2DD-C1E5-40F8-B832-FF3144FC9AEB_zpstnycbqgr.jpg

those look great!

Shagdog
09-01-2015, 01:07 PM
This is the perfect thread to hijack. My wife recently fell in love with Chicago style hotdogs (she's a NY/NJ girl who grew up on dirty water dogs), and I would like to make her my best rendition of a Chicago dog.

So far I have the sport peppers, Chicago-style relish, mustard, onion, celery salt, and tomato. Looking for poppy seed buns locally. Remembering that I want to stay authentic, what type of pickles and hot dogs should I buy, and how should I cook the dog?

I couldn't tell you what pickle... that's Ron_L's specialty (I hate 99% of pickles) But as far as the dog goes... Its gotta be all beef. Hebrew National is a solid choice..

LYU370
09-01-2015, 01:18 PM
This is the perfect thread to hijack. My wife recently fell in love with Chicago style hotdogs (she's a NY/NJ girl who grew up on dirty water dogs), and I would like to make her my best rendition of a Chicago dog.

So far I have the sport peppers, Chicago-style relish, mustard, onion, celery salt, and tomato. Looking for poppy seed buns locally. Remembering that I want to stay authentic, what type of pickles and hot dogs should I buy, and how should I cook the dog?

I like Claussen kosher dill spears. You don't want a sweet or spicy pickle. For onions, make sure it's white or yellow onions. Never red onions. Hot dogs, all beef - Vienna, Hebrew National, etc. As for cooking, bring some water to just under a boil and then turn it down to a simmer. Then add your dogs and let them heat up for about 15 minutes.

Here's a site I found that seems to have some good info...

http://www.hotdogchicagostyle.com/makeyourown.php

Ron_L
09-01-2015, 01:56 PM
We like Claussen pickles as well, but I've been making my own fermented dills and those are fantastic :-D

Andy nailed it will the choice of hot dogs, except we steam ours and put the buns in the steamer for a few seconds before building the sandwich.

Ron_L
09-01-2015, 02:03 PM
Sure look like Serrano chilis. Just like the ones in Cave Creek Chile Beer.

Yeah, they do look like serranos but are lighter in color. They also look like Tobasco chiles but are a little bigger. It is a different variety called the Sport Pepper (Capsicum Anuum). You can buy seeds to grow your own...

http://amzn.com/B001P6EMC0

landarc
09-01-2015, 02:15 PM
Yuppers, sport peppers are a variety all to their own

batboy
09-01-2015, 02:33 PM
Sure look like Serrano chilis. Just like the ones in Cave Creek Chile Beer.

From the awesome HotDogChicagoStyle.com website that LYU posted:

What exactly is a Sport Pepper?
A "sport pepper" is actually a pickled Serrano pepper. The quality and heat vary considerably so we'd recommend staying away from any canned Serrano's you may find in the Tex-Mex section of the grocery store. Most Italian Deli's carry sport peppers.

thickstrings
09-02-2015, 09:32 AM
At least on the west side, buns must be poppy seeded, steamed, and a slice of cucumber in addition to the dill pickle, tomato, green sweet relish French's yellow mustard, onion and celery salt ...hot fries all wrapped up in the same paper and in a small sack, sports are optional......Portillo's, Mickeys...Grew up and lived there for 55 years... alas, I have moved and am in Elvis country 10 years now, ...a culinary waste land.....odd, this is my 1st post...but I feel strongly about Chicago dogs ..oh yeah, has to be a Kosher beef dog...Don't even get me started about Italian beef...p.s . Deep dish isn't pizza.. I suppose I will now have to introduce my self properly..

Ron_L
09-02-2015, 09:49 AM
We usually add the cucumber, too, and have poppy seed buns (Rosen's) but this last time we had some buns fresh from a local bakery so we used those instead.

Maylar
09-02-2015, 10:08 AM
So I bit the bullet and ordered peppers from Amazon. Can't find poppy seed buns anywhere.

thickstrings
09-02-2015, 10:17 AM
If the buns are steamed, you can, shake some poppy seeds on them and they sorta stick......just for effect...

arclite
09-02-2015, 10:26 AM
A kosher dill is a safe choice for pickles, although I order mine without pickle, as it can overpower the rest of the dog.

Yan can Cook
09-02-2015, 10:35 AM
Vienna is a good brand but you're paying for the name. Go with Marconi they are just as good and about a buck cheaper. (I love Chi-dawgs)

arclite
09-02-2015, 10:41 AM
"It has to have, must have, blah blah..."

The problem with this thinking is most new stands and recent devotees make the same freakin' thing - i.e. Vienna beef dogs on Rosen buns.

The older stands were a lot more diverse due to location, ethnic background, etc. I enjoy a boiled Vienna beef on a steamed poppyseed bun as much as any other Chicagoan (had two yesterday) but there's more out there.

thickstrings
09-02-2015, 11:12 AM
When does the thing cease to be the thing due to a change in the original recipe? example: Sonic sells Chicago hot dogs, really?.....NOT!............... ...David Berg dogs were a staple Chi dog for years [ Parky's], are they still ?

arclite
09-02-2015, 12:13 PM
Vienna acquired David Berg out of bankruptcy about 20 years ago. From what I understand the recipe is the same. You still see DB sold in stands, but not as much as it used to be.

64Driver
09-02-2015, 02:04 PM
At least on the west side, buns must be poppy seeded, steamed, and a slice of cucumber in addition to the dill pickle, tomato, green sweet relish French's yellow mustard, onion and celery salt ...hot fries all wrapped up in the same paper and in a small sack, sports are optional......Portillo's, Mickeys...Grew up and lived there for 55 years... alas, I have moved and am in Elvis country 10 years now, ...a culinary waste land.....odd, this is my 1st post...but I feel strongly about Chicago dogs ..oh yeah, has to be a Kosher beef dog...Don't even get me started about Italian beef...p.s . Deep dish isn't pizza.. I suppose I will now have to introduce my self properly..

First of all, welcome. Second...best intro I've seen yet!

64Driver
09-02-2015, 02:10 PM
So I bit the bullet and ordered peppers from Amazon. Can't find poppy seed buns anywhere.

To be honest, I don't think the poppy seeds give that much flavor to stand out with all the other ingredients on the dog. Sure a "true" Chicago dog will have them, but you aren't missing much if you use buns without them.

Cast Iron Chef
09-02-2015, 05:20 PM
I can't get sport peppers out here either. I did order dogs and relish from Vienna Beef with the sale they just had. Sliced Porcini peppers worked in a pinch.

chicagokp
09-02-2015, 05:21 PM
Agree, not missing much on the poppy seed bun, but if you're going authentic you need to have them so you can clean them out of your teeth, off the table, etc after eating.

My Chicago dog preference is the char dog. My favorite place would deep fry, then pop on the grill to char before putting on the steamed bun and add toppings. The are delicious.