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RichardF
10-30-2006, 09:58 AM
Posted on Sat, Oct. 28, 2006 Charlotte Observer

THE `GRILL MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE' HAS SPOKEN

Queen City boasts the king of brisket
Ouch, that proclamation's gotta hurt deep in the heart of Texas
HELEN SCHWAB
Restaurant Writer

Pity Texans this morning.

They went to bed last night thinking their biggest Charlotte controversy was the new starting quarterback for the Cowboys against the Panthers on Sunday (PS - Panthers were creamed).

Hang on to your Stetsons, boys. It's about to get worse.

The Observer has learned that Rick Browne declares the Texas beef brisket at Mac's Speed Shop on South Boulevard the "best I've ever had."

Which may not strike you as significant unless you know that Browne hosts PBS's nationally televised "Barbecue America," has written bushels of barbecue cookbooks and reviews, and is alternately dubbed "Grill Master of the Universe," "America's king of outdoor cooking" and "Dr. Que."

"The meat was tender, juicy, and loaded with flavor," he e-mailed this week. "All this from a piece of meat that's tough as a snow tire, and often as tasteless."

Browne was in town for about a week in late September, attending Charlotte Shout's Blues, Brews & BBQ competition, then appearing at its culinary festival. In between, he found Mac's.

He ate there five days in a row.

"My staff called and said, `This guy wants to see you,' " says Mac's co-owner, J.D. Duncan. "I wasn't familiar with his show. ... He went crazy for two hours. I couldn't get up and leave."

The challenge of brisket, says Browne, is that the cut -- from the cow's lower chest -- is one of the hardest meats to hold over and serve the next day. "I've been in tons of restaurants where you know it's the second day. This technique ... It's brilliant."

Duncan explains: Mac's cooks the meat completely in a Southern Pride smoker, then throws it in a cooler to bring it down to 42 degrees. It's then sliced to order, half an inch thick, trimmed, and slapped on the grill. "When the oils and fats start to melt, it's like eating a piece of tenderloin."

Browne shot some impromptu footage at Mac's for his show, and it's slated to air in the spring, on 231 stations nationwide. (Duncan also says NBC came out to shoot footage Friday, for a segment on Texas vs. N.C. barbecue during the third quarter of Sunday's game.)

The brisket proclamation should be enough to get Browne in trouble here, too -- plenty of Charlotteans would argue for somewhere other than Mac's as the top 'cue in town. But Browne doesn't stop there.

"Mac's hush puppies are to die for. My favorite used to be in Shelby: Bridges. Sorry. They got beat out."

By the way, Browne loved Mac's pork, too. He may or may not know that the guy doing that pork now -- 1,200 pounds of it a week, says Duncan -- is Charles Semail. A French chef.

So, if the article is to be believed, you need to go to the heart of pig-country, to a City that isn't known for Q to get the best Texas brisket. I've eaten there a bunch of times, and while the brisket is good, it's not great; shows what I know...

SP
10-30-2006, 12:16 PM
Dont know the place, never heard of it but maybe they gave Rick some table cloths for a new wordrobe for the review.

Bill-Chicago
10-30-2006, 12:55 PM
I don't think I ever heard of Rick Browne

RichardF
10-30-2006, 02:21 PM
I don't think I ever heard of Rick Browne
I don't know who he is either (other than his bio in the article), but I like to mess with Texas any chance I get ;-p

Bill-Chicago
10-30-2006, 02:29 PM
On a whim, I just did a little SEARCH (http://www.barbecueamerica.com/)

I take it back, I have seen this guy on PBS.

jminion
10-30-2006, 02:45 PM
I know Rick well, he is from Vancouver,WA and does a lot of stuff around the area. He filmed our Salmon cook a few years ago and put it on his PBS show.

thillin
10-30-2006, 02:58 PM
I don't know who he is either (other than his bio in the article), but I like to mess with Texas any chance I get ;-p

Pure jealousy.

Westexbbq
10-30-2006, 04:47 PM
Dude has a nice web site, PBS cred, etc. spokesman for several commercial products etc.
Anyone and Everyone is entitled to their opinion in this great Country of ours; guess I would have to try out Mac's brisket someday and see for myself.
Still,
Dallas 35 - Carolina 14.

TexasGuppie
10-30-2006, 06:08 PM
...there ain't NO better Brisket than TEXAS-COOKED Brisket.

Anyone on that gol-durned PBS channel (where by the way, they teach you how to be kind to edible animals and how to grow your own corn indoors in your bathtub and other such tree-huggin' propoganda) don't know diddly-squat about a good slab of brisket.

They prolly gave him a set of crystal stemmed beer goblets and a nice set of stoneware coasters with a pic of an endangered seal on 'em.

Best not let that Dockers wearin'-wine-sippin'-pinkie stuck out yayhoo anywhere near the Lone Star state lessen' he be tied to a post down by the stockyards on some Friday night 'bout the time drunken GOOD BRISKET EATIN' cowboys come stumblin' outa Billy Bob's lookin' fer a little mischief ta get into.

Ken

Bevo
10-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Hey, Homer Simpson, I have also watched the idots from PBS boil baby backs. That should tell you something.....Cowboys 35, Panthers 14. Dont mess with Texas!!!

RichardF
10-30-2006, 06:17 PM
...there ain't NO better Brisket than TEXAS-COOKED Brisket.

Anyone on that gol-durned PBS channel (where by the way, they teach you how to be kind to edible animals and how to grow your own corn indoors in your bathtub and other such tree-huggin' propoganda) don't know diddly-squat about a good slab of brisket.

They prolly gave him a set of crystal stemmed beer goblets and a nice set of stoneware coasters with a pic of an endangered seal on 'em.

Best not let that Dockers wearin'-wine-sippin'-pinkie stuck out yayhoo anywhere near the Lone Star state lessen' he be tied to a post down by the stockyards on some Friday night 'bout the time drunken GOOD BRISKET EATIN' cowboys come stumblin' outa Billy Bob's lookin' fer a little mischief ta get into.

Ken
I didn't agree with what he said, (everybody knows the best brisket is from K.C. :-), just repeating what he said...

And the Panthers are way overrated, and they deserved what they got. Just the way Dallas deserves T.O.

TexasGuppie
10-30-2006, 06:25 PM
Feel'n a little defensive Kenny???

Folks from Texas don't get "defensive" (that's city-folk terminology) Nope...folks from Texas just get a rope.

:biggrin: Everyone is entitled to their opinions about stuff. It's just that those opinions anger those of us that know the TRUTH.

Ken (my daddy called me "Kenny" when I was in trouble.)

The_Kapn
10-30-2006, 06:39 PM
This is one of those "discussions" that will never go away :redface:
Gotta love them.

Maybe, one way to look at it is "who is winning" with Brisket on the Competition Circuit?

I took a peek at the AR Brisket results:
http://www.americanroyal.com/portals/0/06_BBQInvBrisket.pdf

Make your own evaluation as to where the top 10 or 20 hailed from.
Without pinning them all down, seemed to be from a lot of states.

I took a look at the Best of the Best-2005--Douglas, GA

Brisket
Bar-B-Quau, Brimfield, IL
Swamp Water Boys, Mulberry, FL
Tom & Josh's Orgasmic Slabs, Kansas City, MO
Kick the Tire & Light the Fire, Palm Bay, FL
Smokin' Triggers, Alvarado, TX
Smokers Wild, Paola, KS
Oink, Cackle & Moo, Tullahoma, TN
Big Bob Gibson Bar-B-Q, Decatur, AL
Lotta Bull BBQ, Marietta, OK
Rib Ticklers, Batesville, AR

Kinda all over the place as to home state. Johnny Trigg is always a contender in any category!

I just have a feeling that quality brisket cooking has spread outside of it's "roots" in TX.

Just like quality BBQ is creeping into the NE and Wikiup, AZ :lol:

Could be wrong!

TIM

RichardF
10-30-2006, 06:59 PM
Folks from Texas don't get "defensive" (that's city-folk terminology) Nope...folks from Texas just get a rope.

:biggrin: Everyone is entitled to their opinions about stuff. It's just that those opinions anger those of us that know the TRUTH.

Ken (my daddy called me "Kenny" when I was in trouble.)
With or without the rope, your response was defensive...

Yep - Texans and Fox Mulder all know "the truth is out there..."

Best brisket will always be a personal choice.

Bevo
10-30-2006, 07:23 PM
Hey, Homer, Why don't you post some pics of your product??

RichardF
10-30-2006, 07:38 PM
Hey, Homer, Why don't you post some pics of your product??
Here you go, but not too sure what it has to do with this thread??? Seems like a diversionary tactic, or don't they do diversionary tactics in Texas :-)

Pig Headed
10-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Nice!!

tjus77
10-30-2006, 08:57 PM
With or without the rope, your response was defensive...

Yep - Texans and Fox Mulder all know "the truth is out there..."

Best brisket will always be a personal choice.

that's why I don't go to competitions, it is all subject to what that particular group of judges is looking for. Nothing wrong with that, but too me, not worth the effort.

ultramag
10-30-2006, 09:29 PM
Good lookin' eats Richard.

sajones97
10-31-2006, 06:23 AM
PBS is just what it sounds like

Public BS! :razz:

TexasGuppie
10-31-2006, 07:25 AM
Here you go, but not too sure what it has to do with this thread??? Seems like a diversionary tactic, or don't they do diversionary tactics in Texas :-)

Mostly good lookin' stuff but the brisket looks a little dry. You must not be from Texas!:razz:

Just jokin' with ya Man...You will NEVER meet a less "defensive" person than I.

Good lookin' eats ya have there.

Ken (not from Texas but got here as quick as I could.)

RichardF
10-31-2006, 03:47 PM
Mostly good lookin' stuff but the brisket looks a little dry. You must not be from Texas!:razz:

Just jokin' with ya Man...You will NEVER meet a less "defensive" person than I.

Good lookin' eats ya have there.

Ken (not from Texas but got here as quick as I could.)

Nope - Not from TX, but did live their for a short time in the early 80's, just long enough to start and end my career in the oil industry, but they certainly do make great brisket in Texas. I also loved the hamburgers from a place called Kincades (sp?) outside Dallas. Maybe one of the best burgers I've ever had.

thillin
10-31-2006, 03:50 PM
I also loved the hamburgers from a place called Kincades (sp?) outside Dallas. Maybe one of the best burgers I've ever had.

They're always in the top 5 each year for best hamburger.

Gatordawg
10-31-2006, 05:10 PM
Well I always have to wade into a good controversy. I grew up in TX, but after having moved to TN and eaten BBQ from all over the country. I believe there is not a joint in the world with the best BBQ Brisket or any other kind of meat. The best Cue comes from the Backyard baby!!!!!!!!!!!

tony76248
10-31-2006, 05:28 PM
Opinions are like *******s. They all stink and everyone has one. I can see the guy liking the gimicy next day brisket. But is it really brisket in the true sense? "Cuts it in 1/2 inch thick slabs and tosses it on the grill." Sounds like he needs to do that, just to make it edible.

Rick Browne?....... Well he would have to qualify himself. I wonder what BBQ joints he has eaten at in TX or KC or TN or SC or FL? When I am qualifying someone, I will always ask their opinion on something that I know is bunk...like a movie or a restaurant. If they rave I know never to give credit to any of their opinions in the future. If they rant, my ears perk up a bit and he/she has credibility for the time being.

I went to a party last night and they had brisket that everyone was raving about.....it was in a shallow dish and already had sauce on it????? I tried it and must have gotten a lesser cut, because I liked the sauce more than the meat and I normally don't do sauce. Anyway, it was bunk. The same guy smoked some spiral cut hams, They were way over smoked and I still haven't gotten the smell off of my hands.

BTW, made 8 fatties today. Lots of minced serrano, minced fresh garlic, pepper jack cheese, and Owens hot sausage. Then I rolled them in Obiecues BBQ Bomber and threw them in the smoker for 6 hours.....yup, came out great.

tony76248
10-31-2006, 05:35 PM
Nope - Not from TX, but did live their for a short time in the early 80's, just long enough to start and end my career in the oil industry, but they certainly do make great brisket in Texas. I also loved the hamburgers from a place called Kincades (sp?) outside Dallas. Maybe one of the best burgers I've ever had.

Yup Kincades is good on most evenings. Had a Green Chile Cheeseburger at a place in Madrid NM called the Mine Shaft Tavern. Must have hit it on the right day at the right time because it was so good I didn't even add the fixins to it. That's the problem with those infamous places....You gotta hit them on the right day when you are bringing an out of town guest. I went to Woody's in Mineral Wells TX for what was advertised as the best burger in TX.....well once it was only just good and the second time they burnt the bun. There won't be a third time.

TexasGuppie
11-01-2006, 07:09 AM
Kincaid's has a good burger but I like Tommy's out by the lake. It's located inside a Texaco gas station. I'm also fond of the Fatburger chain.

Shoot...to look at me one would assume that I like EVERYONE'S burgers, in mass quantities.

SmokeInDaEye
11-01-2006, 01:10 PM
The best Cue comes from the Backyard baby!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen, brother!

As for burgers, so many to try, so little time. The ultimate gut bomb burger, though, is Dyers in Memphis. The flattened burger is thrown into a vat of grease.

While in Memphis, there is also the "soul burger" at Ernestine & Hazels (a former whorehouse turned bar). Cooked to order behind the bar on a flattop grill with large amounts of pepper and something in an old mustard squeeze bottle that smells and burns like Worcheshire. Bun is grilled then topped with grilled onions.

http://www.hamburgeramerica.com/Dyers.gif

Jorge
11-01-2006, 02:31 PM
I also loved the hamburgers from a place called Kincades (sp?) outside Dallas. Maybe one of the best burgers I've ever had.

Mmmmm, they do make a fine burger. The original location is in Ft. Worth, the latest is in Southlake. If we didn't already have meatloaf planned for dinner I'd be tempted to go order a double double, and not have to eat the rest of the week.

Wine & Swine
11-01-2006, 02:57 PM
Having grown up in Texas, I get it. Brisket is much more than just food in Texas it is part of the culture. People take it very serious and personal as you can see.

TexasGuppie
11-02-2006, 07:15 AM
Having grown up in Texas, I get it. Brisket is much more than just food in Texas it is part of the culture. People take it very serious and personal as you can see.

In the upcoming election I'm told that brisket is on the ballot for "Official State Meat."

Really.

Ken