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basuraman
02-19-2013, 10:53 PM
Northern California has some BBQ joints. Not a lot. I was happy to see a new place open near by. However I am thinking that some of the customers might not be used to BBQ with this warning. 76047

flyingbassman5
02-19-2013, 10:56 PM
Only in Cali!! LOL!

Pyle's BBQ
02-19-2013, 10:57 PM
Not only in CA. There are people all over that think the meat is not done. That is a general notice I have seen before.

BBQ Bandit
02-19-2013, 10:59 PM
Yup... that's the clue some people do not know what bbq is or what it looks like.

Limp Brisket
02-19-2013, 11:00 PM
When I smoke burgers for a crowd I always explain this.

flyingbassman5
02-19-2013, 11:01 PM
Only in Cali!! LOL!

Not only in CA. There are people all over that think the meat is not done. That is a general notice I have seen before.


Edit: Only in Cali would this need to be placed on the menu! LOL

There, better? :biggrin1:

basuraman
02-19-2013, 11:02 PM
The smoked tri-tip was quite pink and quite tasty.

Kloogee
02-19-2013, 11:09 PM
There is a place around here where the wait staff asks if its your first time there or not. If it's your first time, they verbally give you the same warning.

Big M1ke
02-19-2013, 11:16 PM
I've seen that around here before as well.

Jason TQ
02-19-2013, 11:32 PM
Thought you were talking about the fact that a bbq place has Cafe Latte and Cafe Mocha on the menu :-P.

basuraman
02-19-2013, 11:38 PM
Thought you were talking about the fact that a bbq place has Cafe Latte and Cafe Mocha on the menu :-P.

It is a bare bones place I thought that was odd also. Although here in Cali you can get a Latte almost anywhere.

HankB
02-19-2013, 11:47 PM
Maybe they got sued.

landarc
02-20-2013, 12:29 AM
No, what happened is what happened at Matt's, folks return the meat. It only takes one or two days of folks bringing meat back, wanting their money refunded, saying it is red and they don't eat raw meat to make you put a sign on the menu explaining the smoked meats have a smoke ring and a reddish hue..

And it isn't just here in California, as much as you guys love to poke at us, you might want to remember that around half of our population is less than one full generation from immigrating here. I know more people from the south and east here, than I know born here. Further, I think this is more of a comment on how few places really smoke their meats, that the idea of a reddish hue to the meat, or a smoke ring, confuses people.

FLAQUE
02-20-2013, 12:31 AM
I've seen it in Florida especailly with poultry. We just have to eduacate the masses!

Pyle's BBQ
02-20-2013, 12:37 AM
Bob is right. Places in the "big city" have these signs because people don't know any better.

I was pointing out that the OP is not just a Cali thing.


I know how you Cali guys like being called Cali.

oifmarine2003
02-20-2013, 08:25 AM
California is a whole different world

Bludawg
02-20-2013, 08:36 AM
$1.50 for a cup a Coffee,... Dayum! I'd hate to see the prices on the rest of the menu! That's high dollar eats. Glad I don't live in the Peoples Socialist Republic of Kaliforniastan:laugh:

pbj
02-20-2013, 08:40 AM
What? No warning about grilled and/or smoked food causing cancer?

tnjimbob
02-20-2013, 08:51 AM
I have a co-worker who is convinced that a smoke ring equals undercooked meat. Whenever I bring in pulled pork for our monthly food day/b-day celebration, I have to pull some for her that has no pink in it. Explaining it to her does no good.

If I am ever able to grill burgers, etc. for food day, I will make sure she gets a crunchy one. :wink:

Garrett
02-20-2013, 08:59 AM
I have a co-worker who is convinced that a smoke ring equals undercooked meat. Whenever I bring in pulled pork for our monthly food day/b-day celebration, I have to pull some for her that has no pink in it. Explaining it to her does no good.

If I am ever able to grill burgers, etc. for food day, I will make sure she gets a crunchy one. :wink:

Bless!

Bamabuzzard
02-20-2013, 09:20 AM
I have a co-worker who is convinced that a smoke ring equals undercooked meat. Whenever I bring in pulled pork for our monthly food day/b-day celebration, I have to pull some for her that has no pink in it. Explaining it to her does no good.

If I am ever able to grill burgers, etc. for food day, I will make sure she gets a crunchy one. :wink:

I'm with you on this one. I know people like this and it drives me nuts. No matter how many times you tell them they simply do not believe you. They think it is under cooked.

NickTheGreat
02-20-2013, 09:25 AM
That's really funny. Or sad. Mostly funny. :razz:

Texas Turtle
02-20-2013, 09:58 AM
LOL. My mother in law thinks meat has to be dry and gray in order to be done. When she first tried my smoked chicken, she freaked out because it was pink and juicy. She still wants her steaks well done but she's okay with the chicken now. My wife had to explain to her what the smoke ring on the brisket was.

ScreamingChicken
02-20-2013, 10:37 AM
I have a co-worker who is convinced that a smoke ring equals undercooked meat.Have you ever asked her how it's possible for the center of the meat to be "done" (i.e. no pink) while the edge has somehow remained undercooked from an external heat source?:laugh:

LOL. My mother in law thinks meat has to be dry and gray in order to be done. When she first tried my smoked chicken, she freaked out because it was pink and juicy. She still wants her steaks well done but she's okay with the chicken now. My wife had to explain to her what the smoke ring on the brisket was.My parents are the same way but as they're both in their 70s they grew up in a time when it was more necessary to cook meat very thoroughly, especially pork. I've gotten my dad to accept that a medium-well steak is OK but any pink other than a smoke ring in pork is still a no-no.

BTW, what's "gourment" coffee?

Grain Belt
02-20-2013, 11:05 AM
I have no problem with this warning. I think it seems to be a good educating statement in an area where BBQ might not be overly common. I live in an area with little BBQ tradition. I often do cooks for my place of work and will explain why my chicken legs or thighs have the smoke ring (pink hue).

JD McGee
02-20-2013, 11:39 AM
Keep driving north...it gets worse! Lol!

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Bamabuzzard
02-20-2013, 12:34 PM
I have no problem with this warning. I think it seems to be a good educating statement in an area where BBQ might not be overly common. I live in an area with little BBQ tradition. I often do cooks for my place of work and will explain why my chicken legs or thighs have the smoke ring (pink hue).

I'll have to agree. For most folks down South (or in BBQ regions) it is a non issue. But a lot of people in regions where BBQ doesn't have a presence they rely on what they know or have been taught about meat. "Pink"=raw.

So the smart thing for businesses trying to break into these regions might do is to head this off at the pass. Put it out there, explain it, and move on.

Bonewagon
02-20-2013, 12:38 PM
I've seen that same warning as a large sign placed where you couldn't miss it in a bbq place in Ithaca, NY.

sdbbq1234
02-20-2013, 01:10 PM
The whole "smoke ring and not being done" stuff puzzles me.

Why would someone think that the outer part of a piece of meat not be done (pink), but yet the center is done (not pink)?

Geez, I guess those people would never each pork chops that are pink in the middle.

wallace

Wampus
02-20-2013, 01:13 PM
Yup, there's that very same disclaimer on the menu at our local Q joint. I've even had people eating smoked chicken at my house go :eek: when they cut into their chicken and I have to explain that it's not undercooked.

rcbaughn
02-20-2013, 02:00 PM
I have a co-worker who is convinced that a smoke ring equals undercooked meat. Whenever I bring in pulled pork for our monthly food day/b-day celebration, I have to pull some for her that has no pink in it. Explaining it to her does no good.

If I am ever able to grill burgers, etc. for food day, I will make sure she gets a crunchy one. :wink:

It would hurt me to cook a burger beyond medium rare, but yep I'd make the dern thing a hockey puck out of spite! Have you ever though about bringing a meat temperature graph and taking an internal temperature of the meat coming off the the smoker? Some people you really gotta show them, but still sometimes that don't do. Sad stuff.

I love steak tartare though, so I guess I'm an outlier when it comes to raw meats. LOL.

didisea
02-20-2013, 07:28 PM
My evil MIL thought the beautiful smoked turkey that I made at Thanksgiving was always raw because it was pink and juicy. She never ate much of it which just meant more for the rest of us. Can't fix stupid!

buccaneer
02-20-2013, 07:35 PM
Note to self: Muricans don't know red meat starts out red, and is delicious pink.
Huh.:crazy:
:laugh:
:laugh:

buccaneer
02-20-2013, 07:39 PM
Australia is NOT renowned for customer service, and the US is.
That being said, I know plenty of restaurants that train wait staff so, for example, if you order and omelette and complain that the middle is barely set and you want another because you don't eat uncooked egg then the staff will explain to your ignorant butt that a perfectly cooked omelette IS barely set in the centre, and you have a chice to order it another way but you will be charged for both.
I think that is fair.

bbqbull
02-20-2013, 11:20 PM
Speaking of how I must do steaks and burgers for my wife and step daughter. Totally done. To me they are dried out and nasty.
Steaks the same way. Something about women's beef needs to be totally done to help prevent cancer. I just do what they ask.
Restraunts.....hardly ever go to them. Wife and family says my food always taste better....me....not so shure.

Vision
02-21-2013, 08:38 AM
Can you still burn wood legally in California? Figured they would have shut that down by now.

Bob in St. Louis
02-21-2013, 09:23 AM
Can you still burn wood legally in California? Figured they would have shut that down by now.
HAHAHA Sad, but a true statement.

basuraman
02-21-2013, 10:16 AM
Can you still burn wood legally in California? Figured they would have shut that down by now.

http://www.sparetheair.com/exemption.cfm

According to the local air quality management district. (Whatever that is) Cooking devices are exempt.

Good question though.

Bob in St. Louis
02-21-2013, 10:26 AM
http://www.sparetheair.com/exemption.cfm
Cooking devices are exempt.

For now...... :laugh:
Won't be much longer, and you guys will have figured out how to put a catalytic conveter on your smokers. :twitch:

rcbaughn
02-21-2013, 02:18 PM
Speaking of how I must do steaks and burgers for my wife and step daughter. Totally done. To me they are dried out and nasty.
Steaks the same way. Something about women's beef needs to be totally done to help prevent cancer. I just do what they ask.
Restraunts.....hardly ever go to them. Wife and family says my food always taste better....me....not so shure.

I thought that most people thought charring meat to a pulp was a carcinogen itself? Looks like a lose/lose if you think undercooked meat causes cancer! :laugh:

landarc
02-21-2013, 02:20 PM
There has been ongoing studies about the whole wood thing, if you guys would just keep your mouths shut, then the CA lawmakers will just assume we all use gas and we will be fine. Gas and charcoal are seen as clean burning fuels, so just be quiet and there will be no issues. For the record, we have great air here.

As for the omelet comment, I used to go to a breakfast place that had a large red letter disclaimer that they cook all of their eggs to a soft texture, and that this is normal, that an omelet will have a soft almost runny texture, and that the scrambled eggs will be custardy. And that it will not be possible to burn the eggs. I stopped going there, because the line got to be around 2 hours, and I refuse to wait for two hours for breakfast.

Carbon
02-21-2013, 02:27 PM
California is a whole different world..LOL....I agree, it is a blue State, after all...... and I'm stuck in it....:)))

Vision
02-21-2013, 02:51 PM
There has been ongoing studies about the whole wood thing, if you guys would just keep your mouths shut, then the CA lawmakers will just assume we all use gas and we will be fine. Gas and charcoal are seen as clean burning fuels, so just be quiet and there will be no issues. For the record, we have great air here.


Now you have me curious...what's it like to live in a state where you're afraid of your government? To the point where you need to keep discussion about burning wood quiet?

landarc
02-21-2013, 03:01 PM
I was kidding about that. I actually live with very little fear of anything. I am greatly frustrated by my local and state government at times, and I find the politicians maddening at times. Largely, I love living here and think most of the country really does not understand this state very well.

We have never gotten close to a ban on burning wood for cooking, indoors or outdoors. And I think it would surprise most of you to find that our state has had as many Republican leaders and Democratic leaders during my lifetime. MY biggest issue is that due to it's size, the cost of elections and campaigns being what they are, big business has far too much influence on the state and the manner in which much of how the state is run ends up being to their advantage.

gtr
02-21-2013, 03:10 PM
landarc, just make up some crazy chit and they'll believe it. They always do. :loco:

Bob in St. Louis
02-21-2013, 03:27 PM
My favorite California "story" was the one where the lawmakers wanted to ban automobiles that were black, or dark in color because they were more harmful to the environment. hahaha

gtr
02-21-2013, 03:31 PM
On the other side of the coin, there's folks in CA who believe some really ridiculous chit about the rest of the country as well, esp. the South. I'm guessing that sort of thing goes on all over the world like that.

Vision
02-21-2013, 03:49 PM
I was kidding about that. I actually live with very little fear of anything. I am greatly frustrated by my local and state government at times, and I find the politicians maddening at times. Largely, I love living here and think most of the country really does not understand this state very well.

We have never gotten close to a ban on burning wood for cooking, indoors or outdoors. And I think it would surprise most of you to find that our state has had as many Republican leaders and Democratic leaders during my lifetime. MY biggest issue is that due to it's size, the cost of elections and campaigns being what they are, big business has far too much influence on the state and the manner in which much of how the state is run ends up being to their advantage.


For cooking...but the state regulates/bans fires in home fire places in some areas...right?

Vision
02-21-2013, 03:55 PM
My favorite California "story" was the one where the lawmakers wanted to ban automobiles that were black, or dark in color because they were more harmful to the environment. hahaha

I liked the bill to mandate new construction in CA had to conform to Feng Shui principles. Or the time the guy (now Obama's energy secretary) wanted to paint all of the roofs in CA white to reflect sun back into space...therefore fighting global warming...

landarc
02-21-2013, 03:59 PM
Yes, that is true, But, it is nowhere near as random as people want to make it out to be. There is a measure air particulate value that has been established, and it is based on people with impaired breathing (largely asthmatics). Once the barrier has been reached, areas that have show particular tendencies to trap the smoke are banned from the use of the wood burning fireplaces. While it sounds bad, it makes a lot of sense. A lot of these areas are in bowls and valleys, that trap the bad air in weather inversions, the air will become sour and so badly polluted that it affects breathing. We also have so many cars and commuters, who must drive, the limitations on wood stove use ended up being the easiest way to control the issue.

In my lifetime, I have to say that areas that once represented the worst pollution, and I mean, red air, you could see the red air as you looked down the block, no longer have the problem. I hear many folks who are under 40, and who have no personal reference complain about Spare the Air days, but, if you grew up in the Los Angeles of the 1960's and early 1970's, or the Sacramento and San Jose areas, or the areas around the interior valleys, you know how much better the air is now. And so a few people who thought they could save money by burning their garbage can't now, too bad. BTW, a lot of the people that whine about the burning bans, were not burning wood, they were burning garbage and free fuel as they called it.

Many of these places do still allow pellet stoves, as long as they are purely pellet burning, but, that is not what people largely want to use.

landarc
02-21-2013, 04:02 PM
I liked the bill to mandate new construction in CA had to conform to Feng Shui principles. Or the time the guy (now Obama's energy secretary) wanted to paint all of the roofs in CA white to reflect sun back into space...therefore fighting global warming...
Well, there is no bill requiring Feng Shui that I know of. Of course, I am just a landscape architect who has worked on hundreds of building projects over the last 30 years. I will say, if you build an office building in CA and do not consider Feng Shui, you are going to lose half the real estate market.

As for white roofs, yes, almost all of our commercial and public roofs are now white or light gray, it is hard to argue with lowering your cooling costs by as much as 60% by using reflective roofing. Further, the white elastomeric roofing is proving to be almost 100% leak proof over the past 15 years, saving huge amounts of cost in maintenance.

landarc
02-21-2013, 04:03 PM
My favorite California "story" was the one where the lawmakers wanted to ban automobiles that were black, or dark in color because they were more harmful to the environment. hahaha
Yes, idiots.

rcbaughn
02-21-2013, 04:04 PM
I was kidding about that. I actually live with very little fear of anything. I am greatly frustrated by my local and state government at times, and I find the politicians maddening at times. Largely, I love living here and think most of the country really does not understand this state very well.

We have never gotten close to a ban on burning wood for cooking, indoors or outdoors. And I think it would surprise most of you to find that our state has had as many Republican leaders and Democratic leaders during my lifetime. MY biggest issue is that due to it's size, the cost of elections and campaigns being what they are, big business has far too much influence on the state and the manner in which much of how the state is run ends up being to their advantage.

Yep, no one could believe my dad (A UPS man) won House of Rep here in Alabama since he was running against a well backed 16 year incumbent. The small guy almost never wins anymore.

landarc
02-21-2013, 04:09 PM
I honestly can't remember the last time a truly 'small guy' won out here for a state office.

I will say, I had an acquaintance this year, a very liberal woman, who decided to go to the Alameda County Democratic Caucus to see about becoming a part of the process and to move the process to support local independent thinking. She was stunned and dejected to find that the entire process was controlled by one or two people, insiders and that they systematically cut out anyone who did not fall in line. She then checked into the County Republican Caucus and found it was exactly the same, and that the few power brokers were the same group of people.

When I laughed at her at the coffee shop, she got so angry she was spitting her words at me, I told her that a 50 year old woman should have known by now, the groups in charge all share one trait, they all love power.

SmokinJohn
02-21-2013, 04:11 PM
For cooking...but the state regulates/bans fires in home fire places in some areas...right?

They are trying. IIRC, every new home going up that has a fireplace is a gasser. The wood burners are grandfathered in.

If you live in an apartment, you cannot have a bbq/grill/smoker if the base of the patio or the cover is flammable (apparently, some careless crackheads burned up the apartment they were staying in with their rig, and everyone else has to suffer), unless said bb/grill/smoker is electric or gas (but not the 5 gallon type).

My rig was dormant for 18 months after that law was passed.

I am so glad that I moved to a house with an older fireplace.

landarc
02-21-2013, 04:13 PM
and no, she has not spoken one word to me in over a month.

Bob in St. Louis
02-21-2013, 04:29 PM
One of the best smells in life, is a good ol fashion leaf pile fire in chilly October.
It's a shame some folks will never know.

Regarding that gal not talking to you......it doesn't sound like you're sad. haha

gtr
02-21-2013, 04:33 PM
If this was WP I'd ask of she was hot. But it's not, so I won't.

Bob in St. Louis
02-21-2013, 04:42 PM
I'll ask.

Was she hot?

Vision
02-21-2013, 05:57 PM
I will say, if you build an office building in CA and do not consider Feng Shui, you are going to lose half the real estate market.

lol...too funny