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snyper77
07-07-2011, 12:53 PM
New to smoking and I'd like a good cooker. I've got a $3000 budget and looking for a mobile unit.

Dollar for dollar.......
Most bang for the buck.........
Is Lang the way to go?

If so, my choices are:


48 Deluxe w/warmer $2695
60 Original (no warmer) $2795
60 Deluxe w/warmer $3495

Is the warmer very useful? Worth the extra $700?

Lake Dogs
07-07-2011, 01:05 PM
In that same reverse-flow offset type, I'd suggest that you also consider Bubba Grills (www.bubbagrills.net (http://www.bubbagrills.net)).

<--- this from a guy that owns a Lang and loves it. Lonnie's smokers have a few different features and if I recall correctly he's a few hundred less than Ben.

I have the warmer. I use it to warm the wood and keep it dry. Also, when outdoors I use it to warm things like beans, etc.

The Pigman
07-07-2011, 01:08 PM
The way to go is a Lang 84 long neck with warmer..........you will want no other.

colonel00
07-07-2011, 01:17 PM
Also, when outdoors I use it to warm things like beans, etc.

Hmm, you use your Lang to cook indoors?:shock::confused::crazy::doh:

Lake Dogs
07-07-2011, 01:24 PM
No, but most of the time I cook the beans indoors...
:crazy:

Outdoors, like when camping, or when at competitions and the RV stove/oven aren't available...

snyper77
07-07-2011, 01:30 PM
The way to go is a Lang 84 long neck with warmer..........you will want no other.

Without a budget, maybe so, but I'm an average guy, WITH a budget, and :tsk:$4500 is out of my range.

BBQ Bandit
07-07-2011, 01:38 PM
Get as much Lang as you can afford... you'll find meat for it... trust me.
[You will find used Langs for sale on Craigslist for much less]

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/for/2465116617.html
Keystone Heights, FL - Lang 84 $2,500

There's your gas money - go get it!

gtr
07-07-2011, 01:48 PM
I've heard great things about Lang, but have no firsthand experience with them - but about the warmer/vertical chamber - I have one on my Klose and I absolutely love it. I can't imagine not having one now.

Sawdustguy
07-07-2011, 01:53 PM
The Lang 84 is a nice cooker, in fact I have a Lang 84 deluxe but if I had to do all over again I would have saved a bit more money and bought a Jaime Geer (Jambo Pits) pit. They are the absolute best stick burners IMHO.

snyper77
07-07-2011, 02:17 PM
Can you regulate the temp in the warmer box for cooking beans, ribs, etc.? Also, when did LANG go to their new "flat end" barrel design as opposed to their "bubble end" design? Any idea WHY they did that?

Lake Dogs
07-07-2011, 02:24 PM
Can you regulate the temp in the warmer box for cooking beans, ribs, etc.?

Not in mine, but mine is probably one of the very first they produced (MANY years ago). The temps in my warming box vary from just under 200 down to 170.

snyper77
07-07-2011, 02:45 PM
In that same reverse-flow offset type, I'd suggest that you also consider Bubba Grills (www.bubbagrills.net (http://www.bubbagrills.net)).

<--- this from a guy that owns a Lang and loves it. Lonnie's smokers have a few different features and if I recall correctly he's a few hundred less than Ben.

I have the warmer. I use it to warm the wood and keep it dry. Also, when outdoors I use it to warm things like beans, etc.

Lonnie at Bubba Grills just sent me an email stating:
250R (72") on 3 x 10 trailer, two sliding racks, larger fire box (compared to LANG), gas starter in fire box, 15 inch tires and trailer, $2400 - call me on my cell
http://dl045.zshare.net/download/55f989dece22478668358840c2d3dbdd/1310068874/92374729/bubba.JPG
http://dl045.zshare.net/download/00438534f35aa7bf10854d5d0803449c/1310068714/92374729/bubba.JPG

hamiltont
07-07-2011, 02:54 PM
Ohhh that thang is PURDY! Now you got me wantin' one... 2,600 mile round trip is really gettin' in the way of this dream... :mad: Cheers!!!

bbqbull
07-07-2011, 02:56 PM
I absolutely love my Klose mobile pit.

prudog
07-07-2011, 02:56 PM
I was asking the same questions about 6 years ago. I bought a Lang 84 as my first cooker just because I always had wanted a big mobile cooker. You will need a good supply of wood and a good place to store wood. IMO, proper wood management is a key to success. I wish I had bit the bullet and bought the warmer, but not sure why since I rarely use the smoker and would user warmer even less (cooler works great). It is too big for most of my cooking and consumes a lot of fuel. I would urge you to exercise as much patience as possible and you will eventually find a used unit and save lots of dollars. Waking up at 3 am or staying up all night to cook roasts for lunch got old really quick. Therefore, I bought an insulated gravity feed Baby Stumps and it is my favorite cooker. I also have a Stumps 2x3 offset that I bought for $700 used. The WSM was a great cooker until I bought the Baby and fan controller. Playing in the fire was fun, is fun at times, but not always. A set it and forget it cooker infuriates some die-hard folks, but it is your choice.

Lots of good cookers will make good Q as your skills improve. An offset is the way to go with stick burners and a Lang will last a lifetime. The size really depends on how much you want to spread out. If you cook chicken, ABTs, ribs, taters, corn, and other stuff it is good to have space for convenience, but not always necessary.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9_0eMgSU_Dk/SHt7abBqSNI/AAAAAAAAAFE/QiN4HkVJeP4/s400/Lang%252520loaded%2525204%252520hamlin.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Wv0TTTUgp7I/Sq6t37-se3I/AAAAAAAABJU/1CBY7iKpug0/s400/IMG_0028.jpg

Lake Dogs
07-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Like I said, I have a Lang. That's by accident (that I have it and not a Bubba Grills), but it's very good too. They're both very similar, and very well made.

I do know that Lonnie is a great guy, and very reputable, and very honest. I dont know Ben so I can't comment there. I'm sure he's a very good guy too...

Pitmaster T
07-07-2011, 05:39 PM
If Pits were Porn stars... Pound for pound the best pit it this 3 ton (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97549)

NorthwestBBQ
07-07-2011, 07:05 PM
New to smoking and I'd like a good cooker. I've got a $3000 budget and looking for a mobile unit.

Dollar for dollar.......
Most bang for the buck.........
Is Lang the way to go?

If so, my choices are:


48 Deluxe w/warmer $2695
60 Original (no warmer) $2795
60 Deluxe w/warmer $3495
Is the warmer very useful? Worth the extra $700?

In that case I would go for the 60 Deluxe w/warmer for $3495. If you are catering or vending the warming box is invaluable.

http://langbbqsmokers.com/lang60/images/60_deluxe.jpg

DesMar
07-08-2011, 01:32 AM
Can you regulate the temp in the warmer box for cooking beans, ribs, etc.? Also, when did LANG go to their new "flat end" barrel design as opposed to their "bubble end" design? Any idea WHY they did that?

I'm guessing here but, They may have made the early ones out of LP tanks and now roll up new metal and weld flat ends on. That is what I can figure. That is way safer than cutting into a propane tank.

got14u
07-08-2011, 02:28 AM
Here are some pictures of mine and here are some pictures of a lang I got to smoke on, just want you to know the options and a shameless pluge to go along with it :doh:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/dads%20smoker/DSC_0005-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/smoker%20build/DSC_0006-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/smoker%20build/DSC_0005-2.jpg

and the lang......84"
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00070007.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00080008-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00100010.jpg
Not a big fan of langs but they are close to you.....google western smokers or search on here!!!!

whatever your decision I wish the best...try looking at uprights for a alternative, spicewines,mine,backwoods, ect.......

CarolinaQue
07-08-2011, 07:10 AM
I'm guessing here but, They may have made the early ones out of LP tanks and now roll up new metal and weld flat ends on. That is what I can figure. That is way safer than cutting into a propane tank.


You are correct as to why the design has changed as they no longer use propane cylinders. However, I don't believe that they ever made their smokers out of used propane cylinders. I'm pretty sure that's a liability risk that no company would be willing to take on. I could be wrong though.



got14u,

If I remember correctly, the reason for poor craftmanship was due to the local HS welding class doing the welding for him. I'm not sure if the same practice is being done today though?

snyper77
07-08-2011, 11:54 AM
If I remember correctly, the reason for poor craftmanship was due to the local HS welding class doing the welding for him. I'm not sure if the same practice is being done today though?

Whoa! He's got high school kids welding these things? Also, I've submitted TWO emails to LANG Company asking a few questions and they haven't replied at all. I've also seen forum posts and youtube videos stating the company will not return emails.
How's THAT for customer service? If that's how people are treated BEFORE they get your money, imagine how you're treated AFTER they get your money.

BBQ Bandit
07-08-2011, 12:01 PM
Whoa! He's got high school kids welding these things? Also, I've submitted TWO emails to LANG Company asking a few questions and they haven't replied at all. I've also seen forum posts and youtube videos stating the company will not return emails.
How's THAT for customer service? If that's how people are treated BEFORE they get your money, imagine how you're treated AFTER they get your money.


Snyper77,

The image is not an accurate portrayal of Lang's quality today.
That pic is a very old and not allowable nor acceptable today.
Ben's shop is nothing but quality today.

Look thru the pics I have under my profile... there are a bunch of images of 2nd and third generation of Lang smokers.

If there was such hacked up welds... I would not be using Langs today.
[The 48 patio is 3rd gen, the 60 mobile is second generation]
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=75&pictureid=1453
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=75&pictureid=1452
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=75&pictureid=1451
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=436&pictureid=3399

Full Draw BBQ
07-08-2011, 12:36 PM
I have a 60D, and like Lake Dogs, primarily use the verticle to cook beans, keep sauce warm, side dishes, ect..... But I wouldn't trade the cooker for anything, love every aspect of it. (once I got a charcoal basket for it)

JD McGee
07-08-2011, 01:22 PM
For some folks Lang is the best...not for others. There are several quality stickburners on the market...Meadow Creek, Klose, Gator, Bubba just to name a few...get what you can afford that will do what you want it to do. Remember...the magic is not in the pit...it is in the Pitmaster. Good luck!

southernsmoker
07-08-2011, 01:37 PM
I've had my Lang for several years and got nothing to say but good stuff about it. To be brief it's consistant, trouble free and ya can cook anything on it from a babie's phart to a clap of thunder so to speak!! :clap:


http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac249/Southernbbq/P1010014-1-1.jpg

Redwingsfn31
07-08-2011, 03:23 PM
Hey BBQ Bandit, how is that 48 Patio Model? I have been looking into purchasing a Lang, and that is the Model I am leaning toward.

BBQ Bandit
07-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Hey BBQ Bandit, how is that 48 Patio Model? I have been looking into purchasing a Lang, and that is the Model I am leaning toward.


The 48 patio is a well made cooker. Have no real complaints about it, love the versatility and capacity. Really got to know it when it was fully loaded... easily handling 100 lbs of meat... without a problem.

The only drawback... it weighs 800 lbs... out of 1/4" steel. If you keep it on a paved surface... no biggie... until it sinks into softer ground surfaces.
(Got a fix for that).
http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63163&highlight=sleeve

Jason TQ
07-08-2011, 04:42 PM
Do you want to have a stick burner and tend the fire? If so Lang and some of the others stick burners are great from what I have heard. I had a smaller sidebox and had it modded to run pretty efficiently, but now have a TnT (Stumps Type smoker) and love it. Can hold a ton of meat and never have to worry about tending the fire.

The Pigman
07-08-2011, 05:48 PM
Like Bob said Craigslist....... you cant hurt a lang a used one is as good as a new one and here on the brethren we have a way of getting smokers across county(leapfrogging) to make it eaiser.....






Get as much Lang as you can afford... you'll find meat for it... trust me.
[You will find used Langs for sale on Craigslist for much less]

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/for/2465116617.html
Keystone Heights, FL - Lang 84 $2,500

There's your gas money - go get it!

snyper77
07-08-2011, 09:02 PM
Hmmmmm........ I've had several people ask me "Do you really want to tend to a fire pit for hours and hours....or do you want to set it and forget it - and still get great results?"
I do see the good and bad in both. I enjoy tending a fire, but on the other hand, when it's an 8 hour boston butt (or longer), that's a long time to babysit a fire. What if I wanna smoke some meat on a Saturday, AND go bass fishing? Can't do it with a stick burner, but I could with a STUMP.

Damn....decisions.

I sure appreciate all you taking the time to give your opinions.

stephan
07-08-2011, 09:38 PM
There's no doubt that a stick burner also burns up your time. It has to be watched and tended to. I have a Klose 42 inch back yard smoker and I cant go for to much more than an hour without tending to the fire

NorthwestBBQ
07-08-2011, 09:43 PM
Hmmmmm........ I've had several people ask me "Do you really want to tend to a fire pit for hours and hours....or do you want to set it and forget it - and still get great results?"
I do see the good and bad in both. I enjoy tending a fire, but on the other hand, when it's an 8 hour boston butt (or longer), that's a long time to babysit a fire. What if I wanna smoke some meat on a Saturday, AND go bass fishing? Can't do it with a stick burner, but I could with a STUMP.

Damn....decisions.

I sure appreciate all you taking the time to give your opinions.

Whoomp, there It Is! :whoo:

I would suggest a Backwoods Smoker (http://www.backwoods-smoker.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68&Itemid=88).

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/5d/b5/af900323a6ee12ceb5335ee54720.jpg

snyper77
07-08-2011, 10:10 PM
Hmmmm.....they are same price........

http://www.backwoods-smoker.com/images/stories/competitor1.jpghttp://www.backwoods-smoker.com/images/stories/competitor2.jpg



............VERSES.................




http://langbbqsmokers.com/lang60/images/60_deluxe.jpg

NorthwestBBQ
07-08-2011, 10:23 PM
One of the reasons I like the BWS is they weigh less than their SpiceWine, Superior, Stumps, equivalents.

smokinQ2
07-08-2011, 10:55 PM
I don't own a Lang but have cooked on them and love a reverse flow smoker. Really good smoke flavor and holds a lot of meat, an 84 will hold 40-45 butts. You do have to tend the fire but I would say not every hour but sooner than 2 hours. Depends on how easy you want to make your life.

smokinQ2
07-08-2011, 10:55 PM
I have heard great things about Bubba's too.

NorthwestBBQ
07-08-2011, 10:57 PM
I have heard great things about Bubba's too.

How does the cost compare to Lang for the same size pit?

ThunderDomeBBQ
07-08-2011, 11:42 PM
Here are some pictures of mine and here are some pictures of a lang I got to smoke on, just want you to know the options and a shameless pluge to go along with it :doh:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/dads%20smoker/DSC_0005-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/smoker%20build/DSC_0006-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/smoker%20build/DSC_0005-2.jpg

and the lang......84"
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00070007.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00080008-1.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/got14u5150/DSC_00100010.jpg
Not a big fan of langs but they are close to you.....google western smokers or search on here!!!!

whatever your decision I wish the best...try looking at uprights for a alternative, spicewines,mine,backwoods, ect.......

While I haven't used one of Jerod's smokers, i do know they're top quality from his build posts. Shoot him a PM and I'm sure he'd talk options.

Boshizzle
07-08-2011, 11:50 PM
I have looked over a lot of Lang smokers and have never seen anything like those photos. Now, I have a Jambo and am very pleased with it and it was constructed with impeccable quality and has a standard insulated fire box. But, I have been impressed by all of the Langs that I have seen too.

Big A
07-09-2011, 12:04 AM
You are correct as to why the design has changed as they no longer use propane cylinders. However, I don't believe that they ever made their smokers out of used propane cylinders. I'm pretty sure that's a liability risk that no company would be willing to take on. I could be wrong though.



got14u,

If I remember correctly, the reason for poor craftmanship was due to the local HS welding class doing the welding for him. I'm not sure if the same practice is being done today though?

I would think it's new pipe.rolling means more expense.The old ones could have been empty propane tanks.Like never had propane in them. I really wish I could have deleted this lol

snyper77
07-09-2011, 12:13 AM
Head to Head - Bubba Grills vs. LANG

BUBBA GRILLS - $2400


250R (72") on 3 x 10 trailer, two sliding racks, larger fire box (compared to LANG), gas starter in fire box, 15 inch tires and trailer

LANG - $2800


LANG 60 Original


Here are the photos:

BUBBA....
http://k002.kiwi6.com/hotlink/jm3tyom5d3/bubba.jpg


LANG........
http://langbbqsmokers.com/lang60/images/60_original.jpg

NorthwestBBQ
07-09-2011, 12:41 AM
You want to feed it every 90 minutes?

smokinQ2
07-09-2011, 12:20 PM
I have heard great things about Bubba's too.

I believe the answer is below but I think a Lang 84 compares in size to Bubba 250R.

smokinQ2
07-09-2011, 12:27 PM
And yes you need to feed it every 90 minutes. Now there are some insulated FBs and cookers and those Brethren need to tell us how well they hold their heat..

I'm not trying to hijack but this is important to what type of cooker you buy. Some folks believe you need to do it the old fashioned way and not with some computerized feeder and fans. I am one who is more traditionalist but there is huge merit to going to sleep at night for 6 hours. IMHO comps should delineated between traditional methods vs using today's technology. If I had Stumps with a Guru I would probably smoke a lot more since I wouldn't need to tend it all night but nothing replaces the camadarie of a few really good friends staying up most of the night. Regardless, you decide how you want to cook and then buy the cooker best for that method. Either way you will make some fine Q. Good Luck!!!

ClayHill
07-09-2011, 12:46 PM
There's no doubt that a stick burner also burns up your time.

Speak for yourself.......:becky:

I'm getting tierd of yuppy bbq, there I said it.........as I duck for cover

Redwingsfn31
07-09-2011, 09:54 PM
Speak for yourself.......:becky:

I'm getting tierd of yuppy bbq, there I said it.........as I duck for cover



:clap2:

jestridge
07-09-2011, 10:40 PM
If I was going to spend that kind of money I would do a lot of looking , you prolly could find a local weld shop that would build one to your likeing . I have never seen a Lang in person ,but some of pictures I have seen ,there were a lot of second class welding and cutting on them. I don't know about the price but the Klose looks like a better quality. But then again bad welds will not affect your Q

snyper77
07-10-2011, 03:38 AM
Gosh, this article sure opened my eyes.......

http://www.smokymtbarbecue.com/2011/05/02/meadow-creek-vs-lang-smokers/

BBQ Bandit
07-10-2011, 06:46 AM
Gosh, this article sure opened my eyes.......

http://www.smokymtbarbecue.com/2011/05/02/meadow-creek-vs-lang-smokers/

a. That is a Meadowcreek reseller... a middle man distributer... which is an advertisement... not a consumer's opinion.
(Ask them who originated the reverse flow design).

b. Lang does not have authorized distributors... if you're interested in a Lang... you'll be placing an order to Ben Lang's shop directly.

c. Have seen Meadowcreek smokers in person... and am not impressed with the cost/value. Ask them if their tanks are 1/4" steel.
You'll be be paying more for less steel.

d. Their smallest smoker... which is half the size of a Lang 48... is over $2,000.

The real question is... do you want to believe in an advertisement or actual consumer's opinion and decisions?

CarolinaQue
07-10-2011, 07:43 AM
Gosh, this article sure opened my eyes.......

http://www.smokymtbarbecue.com/2011/05/02/meadow-creek-vs-lang-smokers/


Haven't you heard...don't believe every thing you read and only half of what you see?!!!

snyper77
07-28-2011, 05:12 PM
Seems that most people say "stay away from stick burners". Therefore, I have a question:
Since so many people "hate" stick burners, how are companies like Lang, Klose, Gator, Bubba, Jambo and Meadow Creek staying in business?

jestridge
07-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Some of those things they point out doesn't matter when it come to good Q such as stainless grate after a couple of cooks the rust problem is gone. But I do agree the Meadow Creek looks a lot better.

gtr
07-28-2011, 05:38 PM
Anybody stuff a wbole hog into one of them cabinet thingees? Just wondering how that works...:heh: I kid....

Truth be told, I'd actually like to have a cabinet type smoker one day (that's mo$t likely far away) to add to what I already have - those Pitmaker Pits are beautiful. I like to tend the fire in my stickburner, and sometimes the UDS is the way to go if I'm busy.

Lake Dogs
07-28-2011, 08:03 PM
Seems that most people say "stay away from stick burners". Therefore, I have a question:
Since so many people "hate" stick burners, how are companies like Lang, Klose, Gator, Bubba, Jambo and Meadow Creek staying in business?

Some people love Chevrolet; others Ford; some 2WD, others 4WD; some gasoline, other diesel. Same with these two basic types of smokers. They each have their advantages/strengths and disadvantages/weaknesses. Doesn't make one better than the other really; just different. Largely it comes down to how you personally like to cook, whether you enjoy fire or not.

smokinQ2
07-29-2011, 09:37 AM
Agree with gtr, Lake Dogs, BBQ bandit and what other have said, all depends on what you want. I would and will have a PitMaker or Stumps someday with Guru so I can get some sleep when cooking butts or brisket. That said I love to cook a whole hog on a stick burner or cinderblock pit with real hickory and Apple wood and not sawdust, stay up around a fire with my friends having a beer or 10, to me that is what this is all about. Figure out what you want and go do it. Just have fun, experiment and send PRON to this site.... :-D

flyingwrench75
07-31-2011, 10:31 PM
Just to let you know...Yes, LANG is the BEST stick burner, I have a lang 84 deluxe, with a charcoal grill added to the front for finishing ribs/cooking chicken at the comps. that happens to be for sale!!! I Know, I know, I shouldn't use this particular thread to sell it, and you don't need to buy mine, but it kinda ties into the discussion...as for stick burners, and having to tend to them alot,...buy a guru and any stickburner will be as low maintenance as anything else!! I found this out by trial and error, we used to burn twice as much fuel and not get any sleep at comps., tried a charcoal box, minion method, etc..bought the guru and had to fine tune that too...started with one fan, then added another, but now that we got it figured out, it's a piece of cake...I would definately recommend any reverse flow smoker, from any manufacturer. as they cook consistantly on both sides, no hot spots next to the firebox!!! langs seem to be the best bang for the buck...next build a new table for the fire box with sides on it, similar to the charcoal boxes that Klose builds, we can stack 2 20lb. bags of kingsford and 4-5 good size apple logs on top, will burn for hours with the guru running without ever checking on it, if you want you can build a charcoal chute for the firebox, so you can add coals without opening the door and getting a face full of fire., as for the warmer, do whatever you can to buy one WITH a warmer!!!they work awesome at competitions if you go to any...here's why, every piece of meat cooks a little different, say you get your brisket done way before you need to turn it in, throw it in the warmer wait till 5 min. before turn in, pull it slice it, turn it in..it'll be like it just came off the smoker.not cold, or overcooked, just right...sorry to ramble on, but i had to get my .02 in...hope this helps

PorkQPine
09-15-2011, 05:15 PM
I have a Klose BYC, I have cooked on a commercial Traeger, an FEC 100 an FEC500 and FEC750 plus an OH EL-EC and I built a UDS. They all have their pluses and minuses it all depends on what you are using one for. For catering there is nothing like a stick burner for the eye candy, for ease of use the pellet poopers are great and let you sleep. The restaurant's OH EL-EC is awesome for volume cooking. To my taste, nothing beats a offset for flavor but it comes with the price of tending the fire. For competition Jambo seems to have the best parts of each since it has an insulated firebox and great airflow design. Visit all the compeitions you can before you buy a smoker and ask a lot of questions, let your heart be your guide.

Kernscookin
09-15-2011, 05:45 PM
I've been where you are, pulling my hair out trying to decide. Tending the fire and having a beer with friends and family is what smoking is all about to me. I chose Lang. Whatever you decide, welcome to the family of meat cooker. Thank you all for being there for all of us. I am relatively new to the Forum and it is refreshing to know that there are so many who care enough to offer an opinion.

Kernscookin = Lang 60

PimpSmoke
09-15-2011, 05:57 PM
Man, I wish I had these problems. I've been cooking on and doing comps with a Smoke King Deluxe for a lot of years. To have to debate what GOOD cooker to buy.

What I wouldn't give for that burden.

ClayHill
09-15-2011, 09:06 PM
Just to let you know...Yes, LANG is the BEST stick burner, I have a lang 84 deluxe, with a charcoal grill added to the front for finishing ribs/cooking chicken at the comps. that happens to be for sale!!! I Know, I know, I shouldn't use this particular thread to sell it, and you don't need to buy mine, but it kinda ties into the discussion...as for stick burners, and having to tend to them alot,...buy a guru and any stickburner will be as low maintenance as anything else!! I found this out by trial and error, we used to burn twice as much fuel and not get any sleep at comps., tried a charcoal box, minion method, etc..bought the guru and had to fine tune that too...started with one fan, then added another, but now that we got it figured out, it's a piece of cake...I would definately recommend any reverse flow smoker, from any manufacturer. as they cook consistantly on both sides, no hot spots next to the firebox!!! langs seem to be the best bang for the buck...next build a new table for the fire box with sides on it, similar to the charcoal boxes that Klose builds, we can stack 2 20lb. bags of kingsford and 4-5 good size apple logs on top, will burn for hours with the guru running without ever checking on it, if you want you can build a charcoal chute for the firebox, so you can add coals without opening the door and getting a face full of fire., as for the warmer, do whatever you can to buy one WITH a warmer!!!they work awesome at competitions if you go to any...here's why, every piece of meat cooks a little different, say you get your brisket done way before you need to turn it in, throw it in the warmer wait till 5 min. before turn in, pull it slice it, turn it in..it'll be like it just came off the smoker.not cold, or overcooked, just right...sorry to ramble on, but i had to get my .02 in...hope this helps

Of course its the best if your selling it.........:becky: I have ADD and zoned out in the rest of your post:icon_blush:

The Cosmic Pig
09-15-2011, 09:38 PM
Whoomp, there It Is! :whoo:

I would suggest a Backwoods Smoker (http://www.backwoods-smoker.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68&Itemid=88).

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/5d/b5/af900323a6ee12ceb5335ee54720.jpg

I second that motion! I appreciate the versatility of the Backwoods more every day! I've also begun experimenting with ways to make it burn at the right temp for an extended period of time without tending it, and also with no water. This process in itself is a blast! I don't think you could go wrong with a Backwoods, and it fits within your bubget! :thumb:

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 09:41 PM
"Lang is the best stick burner." You know what, that's a pretty big statement right there. I doubt that a standard Lang can compete with a Jambo on fuel efficiency. I love my Jambo and will not agree that a Lang is "the best." Now, is Lang one of the best? Sure, I can go there. But, I can't say it's "the best." I'll put my Jambo up against ANY stick burning offset at anytime anywhere.

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 09:42 PM
"Lang is the best stick burner." You know what, that's a pretty big statement right there. I doubt that a standard Lang can compete with a Jambo on fuel efficiency. I love my Jambo and will not agree that a Lang is "the best." Now, is Lang one of the best? Sure, I can go there. But, I can't say it's "the best." I'll put my Jambo up against ANY stick burning offset at anytime anywhere.

Are you ready for a THROWDOWN!? :boxing::-P

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 09:45 PM
Are you ready for a THROWDOWN!? :boxing::-P

Bring it on, monkey farmer! :laugh: :boxing:

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Bring it on, monkey farmer! :laugh: :boxing:

http://tinyurl.com/4234mwo

:heh:

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 09:57 PM
http://tinyurl.com/4234mwo

:heh:

That's not sporting at all! If that gal wasn't so cute I'd be greatly offended. :-D

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 10:02 PM
That's not sporting at all! If that gal wasn't so cute I'd be greatly offended. :-D

No more than I am with the Urban Dictionary definition.

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 10:08 PM
You mean this one?

To be offended. An evil state of mind that causes censorship, kills freedom of speech, destroys urban dictionary definitions (via the remove button), and ruins video games as well as many other things.

People who are able to by "offended" by anything are the worst people on earth. Keep an open mind about things and live and let live. Don't ruin things for other people just because you can't take it. Not everything is pleasent in this world and if you can't take it then you need to grow up.

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 10:10 PM
You mean this one?

To be offended. An evil state of mind that causes censorship, kills freedom of speech, destroys urban dictionary definitions (via the remove button), and ruins video games as well as many other things.

People who are able to by "offended" by anything are the worst people on earth. Keep an open mind about things and live and let live. Don't ruin things for other people just because you can't take it. Not everything is pleasent in this world and if you can't take it then you need to grow up.

No, this one:

http://tinyurl.com/3hywjkv

I am not offended, you are my friend.

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 10:17 PM
No, this one:

http://tinyurl.com/3hywjkv

I am not offended, you are my friend.


Ooooooooh, I wasn't aware of that one. My use of monkey farmer comes from the movie Alvin and the Chipmunks when they parroted Bruce Willis in Die Hard when he said Yippee Kayay blank blank. Where blank blank is replaced with monkey farmer. :laugh: It's a friendly phrase.

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 10:21 PM
Sorry about the hijack folks. :focus:

snyper77
09-15-2011, 10:43 PM
"Lang is the best stick burner." You know what, that's a pretty big statement right there. I doubt that a standard Lang can compete with a Jambo on fuel efficiency. I love my Jambo and will not agree that a Lang is "the best." Now, is Lang one of the best? Sure, I can go there. But, I can't say it's "the best." I'll put my Jambo up against ANY stick burning offset at anytime anywhere.

Yes, I titled this thread "Lang - The best stick burner?" - but in the body of my original post, it says "dollar for dollar and most bang for your buck - is Lang the best?"

I think most would lean toward YES.

Now, if we said "Best stick burner on earth?" - No, Lang would not even be considered. And we all know "Jambo" is not "value based" with "maximum bang for your buck", but it's gotta be the best looking son of a smoker alive!!!!! Dang they are gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to take a moment to say "thank you" to each and every one of you who took the time to reply here. This is a great site and I am thankful to be a member.

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 10:47 PM
I think most would lean toward YES.


I still don't agree. The backyard Jambo is $1775.00. That's a pretty good deal for a smoker with 7 gauge steel, and 2" thick insulated fire box made of 1/4" steel and SS hardware and impeccable workmanship.

NorthwestBBQ
09-15-2011, 10:54 PM
I still don't agree. The backyard Jambo is $1775.00. That's a pretty good deal for a smoker with 7 gauge steel, and 2" thick insulated fire box made of 1/4" steel and SS hardware and impeccable workmanship.

JamBoshizzle, my nizzle!

Only $12,000! :becky:

http://www.jambopits.com/J5-4.JPG

Boshizzle
09-15-2011, 10:58 PM
Yeah, but you can get a Jambo that cooks Q just as well as the one with all of the eye candy for under $2000.00.

Kernscookin
09-16-2011, 07:47 AM
Is Jambo reverse flow? The stack is on the wrong side to be reverse flow.

nmayeux
09-16-2011, 08:53 AM
One of the things to consider is that with reverse flow, you have little to no "hot spot" due to the pan. In smaller smokers, I personally think this makes a big difference due to the percentage of space used by the hot spot.

Also, if you are going to get a Jambo, why wouldn't you get the biggest and best? Heck, its like buying a Porche Boxter.. Cool, but everybody knows you bought one because you can't afford a 911. Or you are a girl... :)

Boshizzle
09-16-2011, 09:02 AM
Is Jambo reverse flow? The stack is on the wrong side to be reverse flow.

Nope, not reverse flow.

Boshizzle
09-16-2011, 09:05 AM
One of the things to consider is that with reverse flow, you have little to no "hot spot" due to the pan. In smaller smokers, I personally think this makes a big difference due to the percentage of space used by the hot spot.

The same can be said of Langs. But, there are no spurious hot spots in my Jambo outside of the typical slightly higher temp on the firebox side.

Also, if you are going to get a Jambo, why wouldn't you get the biggest and best? Heck, its like buying a Porche Boxter.. Cool, but everybody knows you bought one because you can't afford a 911. Or you are a girl... :)

That's what I think of Lang owners who don't own a Lang 108. Why settle for a prissy little 60? :heh:

nmayeux
09-16-2011, 09:22 AM
The same can be said of Langs. But, there are no spurious hot spots in my Jambo outside of the typical slightly higher temp on the firebox side.

I was thinking this as a reverse flow compared to regular offset. It seems that the larger smokers negate the benefits of reverse flow...

That's what I think of Lang owners who don't own a Lang 108. Why settle for a prissy little 60? :heh:

Your comment is like comparing a Porche to a Ford truck... Although I would love an F-450 loaded, I just don't have the space... :( However, I do have space for a 911 GT3, but don't have the cash! In other words, I have to settle for a plain old F-150. :)

nmayeux
09-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Damn, not only do I not have your absolutely stunning smoker, I also don't have your ability to manipulate quotes! I think I suck today...

Boshizzle
09-16-2011, 09:30 AM
Well, I'd love to have an F-150 or a Lang 60 but both are out of my price range nowadays.

big brother smoke
09-16-2011, 09:39 AM
my head hurts!

nmayeux
09-16-2011, 09:50 AM
Hey BBS! Good to see you are still alive. Seems like the oldtimers are dropping like flies, or made it to the big time!
my head hurts!

PimpSmoke
09-16-2011, 05:40 PM
Hey BBS! Good to see you are still alive. Seems like the oldtimers are dropping like flies, or made it to the big time!

Bout time I saw you around here, I was beginning to wonder.....

Peaches
10-27-2011, 08:49 AM
Man, what a great thread! I've read through the whole thing. I've been in the market for a smoker that's competition worthy. I'm ready to put on my big girl panties and start competing. :clap2: I've done my homework, had settled on a Lang, but that whole "customer service" issue came in to play. So while I was WAITING PATIENTLY for a response after a third email and no returned phone call, a good buddy told me about Meadow Creek. I respect his opinion and he has seen both units in action and recommened the MC over the Lang. At that point I was getting frustrated with Lang :mad2: so started calling around looking for a MC TS120. Found a super nice guy in Sarasota, FL that had one with a couple of extras. Check is in the mail. :becky:

Just for the record, I don't think it's fair for someone to say this or that smoker is the best on the market, simply because they own it. If you haven't cooked on ALL of them then be quiet. Tell us how much you like yours and give some examples of why you like it so well. Be honest and share the good and the bad if there is any. I say that because I have made some bad choices in smokers, but it is what it is (think electric and pellet). I want old school, tending a fire most of the time. If I don't then I'll use my Primo XL, which, by the way, is a great unit. Is it better than BGE? I have no idea as I've never cooked on one. :laugh:

Thanks for all the great info!

:bow:

Kernscookin
10-27-2011, 09:37 AM
I bought the Lang 60 mobile back in the spring and I love it BUT Since I bought it I have sent several emails to Ben Lang regarding buying other things like charcoal basket and asking advice and have never received an answer. Don't get me wrong. He makes a great cooker, it's well built but getting in touch with him about anything is a nightmare. Even when I was trying to order it, it took weeks to get a call back. When you do speak with him he is the nicest man you will ever meet but he needs to work on getting some help that will answer emails and the phone. If I knew what I know now and had known about Bubba grills I would have gone with them. They seem to be very customer oriented.

Lake Dogs
10-27-2011, 10:01 AM
Man, what a great thread! I've read through the whole thing. I've been in the market for a smoker that's competition worthy. I'm ready to put on my big girl panties and start competing. :clap2: I've done my homework, had settled on a Lang, but that whole "customer service" issue came in to play. So while I was WAITING PATIENTLY for a response after a third email and no returned phone call, a good buddy told me about Meadow Creek. I respect his opinion and he has seen both units in action and recommened the MC over the Lang. At that point I was getting frustrated with Lang :mad2: so started calling around looking for a MC TS120. Found a super nice guy in Sarasota, FL that had one with a couple of extras. Check is in the mail. :becky:

Just for the record, I don't think it's fair for someone to say this or that smoker is the best on the market, simply because they own it. If you haven't cooked on ALL of them then be quiet. Tell us how much you like yours and give some examples of why you like it so well. Be honest and share the good and the bad if there is any. I say that because I have made some bad choices in smokers, but it is what it is (think electric and pellet). I want old school, tending a fire most of the time. If I don't then I'll use my Primo XL, which, by the way, is a great unit. Is it better than BGE? I have no idea as I've never cooked on one. :laugh:

Thanks for all the great info!

:bow:

Shoot. Did you check out Bubba Grills? They make them right here in GA as well (perhaps close to Camel Toe)...

www.bubbagrills.net (http://www.bubbagrills.net)

They were on display this weekend, tons of them, at Deep Roots Festival in Milledgeville (we're just down the road from Camel Toe, aren't we?)

Lonnie (Bubba of Bubba Grills) is known for stellar customer service and he happens to make a pretty darned good smoker. If you call or email him on a Friday afternoon or Saturday morning and he doesn't answer immediately, odds are good that's because he's probably competing. He won Memphis In May ribs this past year.

mike101prf
10-27-2011, 12:05 PM
I am leaving for Lang to pick up my 60 deluxe w/chargrill on Saturday morning, ive been in constant communication with Ben and have always been able to get in touch with someone on the phone.
I owned a 2nd gen 48 mobile before and the quality was top notch on that cooker thats why I chose to get another Lang when it was time to upgrade.