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Unread 03-07-2011, 09:45 AM   #76
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OK.. so with the March 2011 Bullsheet article now out. Does is solve all questions?
Are 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407 all legal cuts since they are all listed along with their descriptions? Or just the 404 and 406 cuts along with the picnic?
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Unread 03-07-2011, 07:43 PM   #77
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Excerpt from the KCBS Board Meeting Quick Notes...

Pork Collar Issue: Motion by Don Harwell that the board defines a boston butt, picnic or whole shoulder as defined by the National Pork Board which does not include the pork collar. Seconded by Paul Kirk, the vote was unanimous; motion passed.
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Did you even read my post, or did you just have that reply handy for anything that showed up in this thread?

Nobody is questioning the Pork Collar ruling.. it's illegal.. we all know it.. whether is should be is like arguing the pot should be legal. Doesn't matter..it isn't.

My question was regarding the promised article that has now shown up in the MArch Bull Sheet in which the following cuts are listed as cuts we can all order 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407.

My question is.. Are they all legal?
By the wording in the article, I would think so, but.....
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Did you even read my post, or did you just have that reply handy for anything that showed up in this thread?

Nobody is questioning the Pork Collar ruling.. it's illegal.. we all know it.. whether is should be is like arguing the pot should be legal. Doesn't matter..it isn't.

My question was regarding the promised article that has now shown up in the MArch Bull Sheet in which the following cuts are listed as cuts we can all order 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407.

My question is.. Are they all legal?
By the wording in the article, I would think so, but.....

Can I ask a stupid question? By no means am I trying to push this issue.

The board has ruled and I t think it is pretty clear their ruling... If not, go listen to the MP3. But why are you pushing this issue? I don't get it.

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Not trying to push for anything Scottie. Part of what was said was that the article in the bullsheet would clarify their ruling. Here's what's in the article.

There has been quite a bit of controversy about BBQ Teams using what
is called a Pork Collar which is a European cut of pork. The help clarify
what is legal the KCBS uses the National Meat Processing Guide for it’s
definition of a Pork Butt or Pork Shoulder and here they are.
http://porkfoodservice.org/CutsByCategory.aspx?c=Butt
The numbers 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407 are
the numbers that your meat supplier orders from the producers, so that
everybody can order the same product all over the country.


Sounds to me like Paul is saying these butt cuts are legal.
Am I reading it wrong?
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Not trying to push for anything Scottie. Part of what was said was that the article in the bullsheet would clarify their ruling. Here's what's in the article.

There has been quite a bit of controversy about BBQ Teams using what
is called a Pork Collar which is a European cut of pork. The help clarify
what is legal the KCBS uses the National Meat Processing Guide for it’s
definition of a Pork Butt or Pork Shoulder and here they are.
http://porkfoodservice.org/CutsByCategory.aspx?c=Butt
The numbers 403, 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407 are
the numbers that your meat supplier orders from the producers, so that
everybody can order the same product all over the country.


Sounds to me like Paul is saying these butt cuts are legal.
Am I reading it wrong?
Just a little more gasoline on the fire.......

I showed this thread and the cut descriptions to my wife, the veterinarian. Her comment was that these descriptions are anatomical gibberish when it comes to where the animal is broken. One example is in the 403 description they reference the knee. The knee is on the back leg folks. She also points out that there are no front to back references defined. She suggests that if KCBS wants total clarity it should be written:

Legal pork shall consist of IMPS shoulder #403 and it's derivatives ( 403B, 403C, 404, 406, 406B, 406C, and 407) where the animal has been broken no further rostral than Cervical vertebra C3 and no further caudal than thoracic vertebra T1 (the first rostral rib).

This would leave no wiggle room what so ever.
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Simple answer to this dilema is have the event provide the meat, then all is fair
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Even I, the pot stirrer, has beaten this poor horse to death!
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