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Old 12-16-2010, 08:47 PM   #31
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I admit to a personal agenda against Tana because she did some unbelievable stuff to me personally. That's the difference, first hand knowledge of her character makes it reality.
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If it's a personal agenda, why don't you keep it that way and leave it off of this forum and just keep it between you and Tana?

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Old 12-16-2010, 10:30 PM   #32
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No but I think accusations ought to be kept in check a bit more.
Since when? Accusations seem to have never been throttled in the past, especially by a few BBQ cooks that I have a lot of respect for.

Elections are right around the corner and I think that anyone paying attention and considering their vote should be acknowledging the lack of information in this thread.

...but that's just me.
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Old 12-16-2010, 11:03 PM   #33
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Since when? Accusations seem to have never been throttled in the past, especially by a few BBQ cooks that I have a lot of respect for.

Elections are right around the corner and I think that anyone paying attention and considering their vote should be acknowledging the lack of information in this thread.

...but that's just me.
I don't think you can fault Tana for not posting anything on an Internet message forum or allowing someone else to post in her behalf from an email in regards to such issues. And with her being a board member, I'm suspecting certain other board members have raised the ridiculous "gag order" issue and threatened consequences if she speaks out.

That being said, you're right. Elections are just around the corner and it's really too bad we can't toss every board member and start fresh with a whole new board with members who care about the organization and the members. The entire soap opera is getting more and more ridiculous. It's freakin barbecue.
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Old 12-17-2010, 12:35 AM   #34
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No but I think accusations ought to be kept in check a bit more.
Ok. That seems reasonable.

Which accusation in particular do you believe was out of line?

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Old 12-17-2010, 01:17 AM   #35
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Ok. That seems reasonable.

Which accusation in particular do you believe was out of line?

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Maybe "accusation" was not the correct term but...

"This is completely unsubstantiated, but according to Ray Lampe..."

If it's according to Ray, who admittedly is biased due to a personal conflict with Tana, it might be something best left to the two of them.
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Maybe "accusation" was not the correct term but...

"This is completely unsubstantiated, but according to Ray Lampe..."

If it's according to Ray, who admittedly is biased due to a personal conflict with Tana, it might be something best left to the two of them.
I completely agree....except for the fact that Tana is running for a seat on the board. I think she would have a vested interest in addressing this issue. If she weren't running for re-election, it wouldn't be much of an issue...for me, anyway.
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Old 12-17-2010, 07:17 AM   #37
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If it's a personal agenda, why don't you keep it that way and leave it off of this forum and just keep it between you and Tana?

Because she's running for the board and I want people to know what kind of person she really is.
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If it's according to Ray, who admittedly is biased due to a personal conflict with Tana, it might be something best left to the two of them.
I guess I mis-spoke too because while it was between her and I and her boss and my client it wasn't actually personal. She tried to use her position with a previous employer to get my client to fire me and it was all BBQ related.

BTW I'm still working for that client...........
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Previous employer... clients you work for... that all sounds personal to me, Ray. Just because you happen to work in BBQ for a living doesn't make it barbecue related for anyone else. I'm not trying to be a smart ass there. It just doesn't have anything to do with her running for the board. Kinda like when Mr. Clinton found himself a new humidor for a cigar in the oval office... people said that was personal and had no bearing on the job he was doing as President. Now if she had used her position as a BOARD MEMBER to try to get you fired, that's different.
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Just because you happen to work in BBQ for a living doesn't make it barbecue related for anyone else.
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Previous employer... clients you work for... that all sounds personal to me, Ray. Just because you happen to work in BBQ for a living doesn't make it barbecue related for anyone else. I'm not trying to be a smart ass there. It just doesn't have anything to do with her running for the board. Kinda like when Mr. Clinton found himself a new humidor for a cigar in the oval office... people said that was personal and had no bearing on the job he was doing as President. Now if she had used her position as a BOARD MEMBER to try to get you fired, that's different.
I'll have to disagree with the premise. Past behavior is usually a pretty good indicator of what a person will do in the future.
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"This is completely unsubstantiated, but according to Ray Lampe..."

If it's according to Ray, who admittedly is biased due to a personal conflict with Tana, it might be something best left to the two of them.
I usually hate 'unnamed sources', so I referenced Ray who had mentioned this publicly. What piqued my original interest (and I'm speaking strictly for me here) was that I had heard the same thing from two different sources that were much closer to the situation than Ray.

I didn't mention that originally, as personal conversations that I had that I don't offer sources for shouldn't influence anyone else.

Regardless, that was only one facet of the discussion. There is still the question of why she was attempting to keep things from the BoD (that she was a member of). That is a significant concern in and of itself and is at least tangentially problematic and related to the question of financial involvement as it begs the question of what her interest in the matter was.

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Old 12-17-2010, 01:31 PM   #43
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Hi,

Just a very quick note letting those that are interested that I received a response from Tana to my email. Unfortunately, I'm heading out so I can't go through it fully right now, but I will do so as soon as I get home.

I'll also ask her permission to reprint her reply here.

It seemed that some people were doubting that she would reply, so I thought it only fair to let those that are interested know that she did as soon as I received it.

I'll post again this evening.

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Old 12-17-2010, 01:37 PM   #44
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I usually hate 'unnamed sources', so I referenced Ray who had mentioned this publicly. What piqued my original interest (and I'm speaking strictly for me here) was that I had heard the same thing from two different sources that were much closer to the situation than Ray.

I didn't mention that originally, as personal conversations that I had that I don't offer sources for shouldn't influence anyone else.

Regardless, that was only one facet of the discussion. There is still the question of why she was attempting to keep things from the BoD (that she was a member of). That is a significant concern in and of itself and is at least tangentially problematic and related to the question of financial involvement as it begs the question of what her interest in the matter was.

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In all honesty that bothers me just as much as some of the allegations I've heard regarding your initial question(s). I've seen and heard it from both factions of the current board, and it doesn't matter who it comes from at this point.

From my point of view it's further evidence of how dysfunctional the current board has become. It's juvenile, and embarrasses me as a member regardless of who initially leaked information about whatever the scandal/issue of the month is.

As legitimate as the issue may seem at the time, keep in mind that when you pick up the banner you have become a pawn to some extent. I say that, based on personal experience...and again that's based on information that has come from both factions of the current board.

At the end of the day, we are all responsible for our reputations when we speak publicy on any issue. Those that have leaked info to their chosen network, are rarely if ever named or held accountable.

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At this point I don't care if she did or did not do what she is being accused of, just the point that here name is being brought up shows in my opinion there is some kind of conflict with her on several different levels. If she did not do anything questionable then I would have a hard time believing she would have been drug threw the mud like this. We do not need anymore conflict on the Board, its time for most of them to go!!!
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