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Unread 03-31-2010, 02:07 PM   #1
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This is a question that has been stuck in my craw for a while now and I haven't gotten a satisfying answer yet. The BBQ I grew up on was savory and spicy. Most of the BBQ joints I've been to serve savory BBQ. The judges I've talked to say that sauces shouldn't hide the flavor of the meat.

Meat isn't sweet. But inevitably the entries that win are coated in a sugary sauce that most people say they wouldn't eat at home because it's too rich and too sweet.

So why does sweet win?
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Thanks for asking this here - I'd like to know, too...
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CBJ's please chime in since you are the one's making the choices.
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no clue, but the sooner i get it through my head, the better off I'll be.

(by the way, a guess: When you go to a Q joint, you get a meal (or two ro three) and have more time to 'savor the flavors'. A comp is a bite (or two), and you better notice the flavor.)
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Here is my thought. Whether people admit it or not, sweet is a good flavor. Spice is good, but may insult some people. If you take ten people, three will lie and say they love super spicy food, two will really like it and the other five will not like spice at all. So my thoughts are if you are throwing your food into a lottery and have a chance of playing the odds on your side, go with sweet, people more people just like it that way.
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Are you suggesting that sweet is easier to recognize as a flavor?
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Here is my thought. Whether people admit it or not, sweet is a good flavor. Spice is good, but may insult some people. If you take ten people, three will lie and say they love super spicy food, two will really like it and the other five will not like spice at all. So my thoughts are if you are throwing your food into a lottery and have a chance of playing the odds on your side, go with sweet, people more people just like it that way.
Then why not savory? Savory and spicy are different. People love beef and it isn't sweet.
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Are you suggesting that sweet is easier to recognize as a flavor?
Perhaps it is 'easier' and 'safer' to 'jolt' someone with sweet (not hard to add a bunch of brown sugar) than to jolt them with spice (relatively more complexities to spice and you may ruin a palate when overdone).
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Not everybody likes spicy but everybody likes sweet. Then you also have the tang, don't forget to throw that into the mix of savory, spicy, and sweet.
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Savory and spice are different correct. I think that a mix of a savory rub and some sweet sauce is a great combination. If you want to add a little spice go for it. A marriage of the flavors is great. I would not want to eat a plain savory rib because that is all it would be. SO if you marry all the flavors like we do, it is like a orgasm in your mouth and all of your taste buds will be popping!
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Then why not savory? Savory and spicy are different. People love beef and it isn't sweet.
MY beef is sweet!
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IMO, because the palate responds to a sweet contrast to savory.
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my beef is sweet!
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Is it possible that sweet wins more because sweet has become the expected norm for the CBJ in a KCBS competition? The "more common standard" that reigns in KCBS judging may be the answer. Diva has aluded to this a few times in other posts concerning % of CbJs at a contest. That's what judges want, that's the way they're trained, and cooks are expected to cook to that end to win. The more common standard.
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Possibly some people don't understand that they like sweet meat flavor.
They think it's spicy or savory; but, it's really just sweet.

A number of years ago a Krispy Kreem Donut store opened up close to where
I worked, so the manager went there one day and bought several dozen
Donuts for us all.
I had a chocolate one...I couldn't taste the Chocolate or the donut itself.
All I could taste was SWEET (sugar). I said to the guy next to me "these
don't have any flavor; all they are is sweet"....he replied "yeah; it's great,
I love sweet".

This was about 9 or 10 years ago here in Denver, Colorado. Cars were
lined up for hours at these Krispy Kreem Donut stores that had just come
to Denver.
Most people like sweet; whether they know it or not.

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