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Unread 02-10-2010, 11:09 PM   #16
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While it may be politically incorrect.....A brisket will still be smoking hot after 9 hours in a towel lined cooler and it will still have a good texture.
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While it may be politically incorrect.....A brisket will still be smoking hot after 9 hours in a towel lined cooler and it will still have a good texture.
way too many variables for this to be consistently true. I know it from experience that it CAN be true but not reliable depending on the cooler itself, amount stored inside, temp of what went in, temp of cooler when it went in, temp outside, whether or not some idiot opens it, size of brisket, number of towells.

I would also say that 140 degrees is not at all piping hot and even an appearance of being "smoking (steaming) hot" would be a stretch depending on humidity and temp.

Mindy Vega, that's smoking hot.
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Mindy Vega, that's smoking hot.
with or with out the plastic wrap?
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with or with out the plastic wrap?


ohh with a strategically placed slit in it to let the juices seep in.
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Preheat the cooler with some boiling water, shut the lid for 10 minutes,
Pour the water out, and put 1 or 2 heatpacks, like you use for your sore back, in the bottom of the cooler. If the brisket goes in hot, in foil, wrapped in towel, with little extra space in the cooler with heatpacks, it will be perfect when you arrive.

They will be at a safe temperature the entire time! If they are not hot enough for you, keep them in foil, place in oven 250-275 for 20 minutes THEN slice and serve.

I have used this technique for the military family days often, with perfectly tender, juicy, warm, and safe brisket.
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Would definately agree with Donnie about not slicing before reheating. Man, slicing and then reheating sounds like a recipe for some dry dry brisket. I may be wrong so don't hammer me if you have a reason for slicing first. I am like the rest of the brethren here, always willing to learn something new. Just a thought.
Yes I'm going to bring up NASCAR again. In the 4 years I cooked for them I figure that I've cooked up roughly 4 to 5 Tons of brisket. No, I'm not kidding (10-12 races a year, 200 - 250 pounds of raw brisket each race). The process that we came up with is very straight forward.

Once cooked, I normally chill the brisket in the fridge over night, slice it, cryo-suck it (food saver works great), and then freeze it.

To re-heat it I thaw it in the fridge (cause it's safer), and then place the cryo-sucked package in boiling water for 10 - 20 minutes depending on the weight (normally I do 1# packages for myself and my customers, 1/2 a flat for NASCAR). One thing, be sure to put a small towel in the bottom of the boiling water to keep the bag from melting.

This method allowed us, in short notice, to heat only what we needed. I have a customer that each year orders 25# of cooked brisket for his Chistmas party for just this reason.
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Preheat the cooler with some boiling water, shut the lid for 10 minutes,
Pour the water out, and put 1 or 2 heatpacks, like you use for your sore back, in the bottom of the cooler. If the brisket goes in hot, in foil, wrapped in towel, with little extra space in the cooler with heatpacks, it will be perfect when you arrive.

They will be at a safe temperature the entire time! If they are not hot enough for you, keep them in foil, place in oven 250-275 for 20 minutes THEN slice and serve.

I have used this technique for the military family days often, with perfectly tender, juicy, warm, and safe brisket.

Once again, please, the original thread poster should not follow this advice. Yes it works well but considering the cold environment you are going into, simply chilling and reheating would be the safe thing to do.

You asked what a caterer would do so I kept it up to health care standards.

This idea is an excellent one for some applications and it does indeed work. But based with the traveling you are doing.... I would not do this.

All respect to the poster of this best practices procedure for getting the most out of the heat. I used to use heated rocks.
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Dive, you and I measure our brisket experience in tons... one day it will be houses. LOL

I like the paper towel Idea.

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Yes I'm going to bring up NASCAR again. In the 4 years I cooked for them I figure that I've cooked up roughly 4 to 5 Tons of brisket. No, I'm not kidding (10-12 races a year, 200 - 250 pounds of raw brisket each race). The process that we came up with is very straight forward.

Once cooked, I normally chill the brisket in the fridge over night, slice it, cryo-suck it (food saver works great), and then freeze it.

To re-heat it I thaw it in the fridge (cause it's safer), and then place the cryo-sucked package in boiling water for 10 - 20 minutes depending on the weight (normally I do 1# packages for myself and my customers, 1/2 a flat for NASCAR). One thing, be sure to put a small towel in the bottom of the boiling water to keep the bag from melting.

This method allowed us, in short notice, to heat only what we needed. I have a customer that each year orders 25# of cooked brisket for his Chistmas party for just this reason.
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Once again, please, the original thread poster should not follow this advice. Yes it works well but considering the cold environment you are going into, simply chilling and reheating would be the safe thing to do.

You asked what a caterer would do so I kept it up to health care standards.

This idea is an excellent one for some applications and it does indeed work. But based with the traveling you are doing.... I would not do this.

All respect to the poster of this best practices procedure for getting the most out of the heat. I used to use heated rocks.
I actually agree with Donny on this. It may work 90% of the time, but would you want to serve your kids the food from the the other 10%?

Chill it, slice it, re-heat it and enjoy the rest of the weekend....
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Dive, you and I measure our brisket experience in tons... one day it will be houses. LOL

I like the paper towel Idea.
LOL... We've both been there, done that, and I have more than enough t-shirts to last a life time...

BTW, not a paper towel, just a small bar towel... You need to keep the cryo bag away from the direct heat applied to the bottom of the pot...
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Just curious here, but should (or could) you add the au jus, assuming you foiled the briskets, to the layers of foodservice wrap. Would the reheating process cause the wrap to melt of leak? It says right on the box, "keeps hot foods hot", "great insulator" and "microwave safe". I've been to classes where it was pointed out that it melts at temps above *250, so I've always re-heated lower.

Great advice from the tonnage cookers!
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Just curious here, but should (or could) you add the au jus, assuming you foiled the briskets, to the layers of foodservice wrap. Would the reheating process cause the wrap to melt of leak? It says right on the box, "keeps hot foods hot", "great insulator" and "microwave safe". I've been to classes where it was pointed out that it melts at temps above *250, so I've always re-heated lower.

Great advice from the tonnage cookers!
Not speaking for the food service wrap side, but yes, I do save the 'drippings' from the resting pans after the chill phase. I normally store them in quart mason jars if I'm using it within a couple of days or in a plastic container if I need to freeze it.

The problem I run into is not that the brisket is dry because of slicing it early and then freezing it, it's for the guests that get to the serving station later after the brisket's been on for 45 minutes. By adding some of this juice it keeps the meat nice an moist for a far longer period. Heck, I've even had guys make what they would call 'BBQ Italian Beef' by dipping some of the bread in the drippings and then adding the brisket.
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Ouestion...can you hot smoke chicken with the skin on and NOT make the skin shoe leather....
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Ouestion...can you hot smoke chicken with the skin on and NOT make the skin shoe leather....
Sure...

The problem is that there is a layer of fat on the inside of the skin. If you don't render this out, it turns tough. Get rid of the fat, tender skin...
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Not speaking for the food service wrap side, but yes, I do save the 'drippings' from the resting pans after the chill phase. I normally store them in quart mason jars if I'm using it within a couple of days or in a plastic container if I need to freeze it.

The problem I run into is not that the brisket is dry because of slicing it early and then freezing it, it's for the guests that get to the serving station later after the brisket's been on for 45 minutes. By adding some of this juice it keeps the meat nice an moist for a far longer period. Heck, I've even had guys make what they would call 'BBQ Italian Beef' by dipping some of the bread in the drippings and then adding the brisket.
I've tried freezing it and IMO it gets pungent... I use your quart jar idea and actually get the canner out. With the rub on the brisket in the juices it creates enough acidity to seal and it's like fresh brisket juice in every jar... Or I make BBQ with it and do the same.

Also, I've never tried to travel in a cooler with just a small peice of meat, but I have the WalMart huge white coolers (9 half pans fit perfectly BTW). I pack one full with meat and piping hot side and put my maverick smoker probe in it. I took a cooler of hot food to my wifes family about 3.5 hours away. It was like having them in a holding oven. Not sure about 8-9 hours, I would not feel safe with that even at holding temps.

I'm no pro yet, but figured I'd post my experience on the subject.
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