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Unread 02-08-2010, 12:36 PM   #16
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cooking all pork. there were 5 contests that were allowed to cook other than the 4 main categories and have it count to GC.
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Since it was in conjunction with the Wolrd Pork Expo, the categories were pork, loin, ribs and whole hog. Last year the whole hog was optional. The contest drew about 70 teams from 10-12 states.

gotcha..thanksl(Hey, i can use the button for that).


I knew about the contest, didnt make the connection that they had 'waivers' of some type. makes sense.

Couldnt they still operate under the competitor series where tweaking the rules is allowed?
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Unread 02-08-2010, 01:17 PM   #17
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Pork Prices? I am getting st louies and record lows for me.
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Unread 02-08-2010, 01:19 PM   #18
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Pork Prices? I am getting st louies and record lows for me.
The National Pork Board sponsored the contest at the World Pork Expo, in Des Moines. Pork prices are down, and the funds aren't there.
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Pork Prices? I am getting st louies and record lows for me.
The way I understand it is a percentage of the pork checkoff goes towards this event. With the pork prices being so low, the money generated from this was very low as well. Thus lack of funds.
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I think when it was announced that I read the pork council was short $10 million this year due to the declining prices in pork. Pretty big chunk of change to lose and not have to make cuts somewhere
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The way I understand it is a percentage of the pork checkoff goes towards this event. With the pork prices being so low, the money generated from this was very low as well. Thus lack of funds.
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I see. I understand how the comp works now.
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But the vote was 11 to 0 in favor of the rule change/clarification.
And I will be chewin some butts for it when I see them at contests...

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Took 2 posts to display them. Showed some votes. Roberts Rules were followed on Lula and it was Paul Kirk who changed his vote to no.
Since I work in the church I tend to be around Robert's Rules more than I'd like. I know from experience that once a motion is passed there are some procedural steps that need to be followed in order to take a revote. Not impossible - but there is a process. If the process wasn't followed correctly the new vote is meaningless and the first vote stands. Again, that how it has been handled in my experience. Certainly the parliamentarian may have interpreted the rules incorrectly and therefore my experience is meaningless - but there it is.
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And I will be chewin some butts for it when I see them at contests...

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Will you be parting those butts before you chew them? Just sayin.
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Let me be more specific. I was at a synod assembly where a motion was passed. This vote upset a number of people in the assembly - but they were not allowed to simply call for a revote - as that would destroy the process. Anyone who didn't like an outcome would be able to call for a revote and the assembly would not be able to move forward. The parliamentarian ruled that only a person who voted to approve the motion could call for a revote - thus eliminating the sour grapes types from gumming up the process. So, as far as I know that's how a revote is dealt with under Robert's Rules of Order. But what do I know - I'm a preacher, not a lawyer.
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If you're butt is chewy - I don't think putting it back in the smoker to set the sauce is really gonna matter. Sounds more like ya shouldn't ahh pulled it out when ya did.
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Let me be more specific. I was at a synod assembly where a motion was passed. This vote upset a number of people in the assembly - but they were not allowed to simply call for a revote - as that would destroy the process. Anyone who didn't like an outcome would be able to call for a revote and the assembly would not be able to move forward. The parliamentarian ruled that only a person who voted to approve the motion could call for a revote - thus eliminating the sour grapes types from gumming up the process. So, as far as I know that's how a revote is dealt with under Robert's Rules of Order. But what do I know - I'm a preacher, not a lawyer.
You make a motion on the subject, discuss the subject matter and then call for the vote. As community politics work, if the vote is shot down it can not come up for a revote the same night. It must have time for the public to see what is being voted on at the next meeting.
I don' think this revote would be in the same boat but I could be wrong.
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The rules followed are similar to RONR. A motion to reconsider the previous motion can be made by anyone who voted on the prevailing side. This motion is only valid providing no new business has been conducted by the group. Apparently Paul Kirk voted in the majority and then ask for a reconsideration prior to any new business. This motion was seconed by someone and a vote taken. There was discussion and a new vote was taken with Paul Kirk changing his vote which caused the contest to be denied. It was all straight forward and above board.

I have heard rumors that the reasons for denial had nothing to do with being two days late with paper work but with failure to provide the necessary paperwork to protect the cooks in case a similar incident to last years contest in Hot Springs when a sponsor backed out and the cooks who had entered prior to the reduction of advertised prize money appeared to be left hanging with no way to gracefully withdraw and get their money back.

We can all understand that chit happens and the BOD was looking out for us, the cooks, in requiring at least a guarantee and letter of credit that if advertised monies cannot be paid, then the cook can withdraw from the contest without penality. I for one, agree as I have an entry from several years ago that the the sponsor backed out and there was no money forth coming from the organizer as he had spent it.
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