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Unread 01-24-2010, 04:19 PM   #1
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Default KCBS 2009 Full Ranks?

Pardon me if this has been discussed, but when will KCBS list the full ranks for 2009? I see PP ranks that simulate KCBS, but KCBS should add their ranks to their own site as well, right?
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I read someplace they won't. But you can email Dawn @ kcbs and she can tell you where you ranked. Pickled pig was close on a couple but 10 spots off on another.
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I read someplace they won't. But you can email Dawn @ kcbs and she can tell you where you ranked. Pickled pig was close on a couple but 10 spots off on another.

Any idea why not? They have previous years' results posted, why not this year?
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Any idea why not? They have previous years' results posted, why not this year?
It was something to do with verifying members I believe. It was easier to do 25 then 4000.
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Bad choice on their part. IMHO
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Bad choice on their part. IMHO
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I dont think they have ever showed "all" places, even in the previous years. It is just a subset. I do believe that the Dawn is happy to look up anything you would want though.
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I dont think they have ever showed "all" places, even in the previous years. It is just a subset. I do believe that the Dawn is happy to look up anything you would want though.
I think they have. Even before the points change, they listed everyone who got at least one point.
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I asked Dawn due to my curiosity. Even though it was a few days before the banquet she was going to be happy to help, but I told her not to worry about it and I'd follow up after the banquet (guess I should do that). She mentioned that it was quite time consuming.
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I think they have. Even before the points change, they listed everyone who got at least one point.
Yeah, I agree in past years KCBS has posted full results.
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I asked Dawn due to my curiosity. Even though it was a few days before the banquet she was going to be happy to help, but I told her not to worry about it and I'd follow up after the banquet (guess I should do that). She mentioned that it was quite time consuming.

I would imagine that it is quite time consuming because when you call and ask she calculates your points. Which seems to me if you didnt know how many points every team scored it would be tough to rank each team by their total points.

They created a giant mess by giving points to all teams at a contest. This is the result of that giant mess.

I would also guess that the reason that PPig is off on some of the rankings is because he uses a pattern matcher to match results to the existing teams and adds the points together. If a team is BBQ crew, Bar-Be-Que Crew, BarBQ Crew, bbq krewe, and BBQ Creew then the pattern matcher might miss the connection. So BBQ Crew might have points under several different team names. I know it happens to me and then the team has to email me when they notice it and I can combine all the teams together.

I really think that they should just let PPig handle the KCBS TOY rankings. He does a great job. But if Dawn really is calculating the TOY points when people call and ask, you have to wonder how they figured out who the top 25 teams were...did they just pick 50 teams they thought would be at the top and start calculating and tracking those teams and then sort them by point totals or did they calculate everyone all year and just sort by total. If they calculated everyone and have it all together, why does it take so much work and why not publish it?
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But if Dawn really is calculating the TOY points when people call and ask, you have to wonder how they figured out who the top 25 teams were...did they just pick 50 teams they thought would be at the top and start calculating and tracking those teams and then sort them by point totals or did they calculate everyone all year and just sort by total. If they calculated everyone and have it all together, why does it take so much work and why not publish it?
This is what I have been wondering as well--merely out of curiosity, though. PP's is good enough for me.
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I would imagine that it is quite time consuming because when you call and ask she calculates your points. Which seems to me if you didnt know how many points every team scored it would be tough to rank each team by their total points.

They created a giant mess by giving points to all teams at a contest. This is the result of that giant mess.

I would also guess that the reason that PPig is off on some of the rankings is because he uses a pattern matcher to match results to the existing teams and adds the points together. If a team is BBQ crew, Bar-Be-Que Crew, BarBQ Crew, bbq krewe, and BBQ Creew then the pattern matcher might miss the connection. So BBQ Crew might have points under several different team names. I know it happens to me and then the team has to email me when they notice it and I can combine all the teams together.

I really think that they should just let PPig handle the KCBS TOY rankings. He does a great job. But if Dawn really is calculating the TOY points when people call and ask, you have to wonder how they figured out who the top 25 teams were...did they just pick 50 teams they thought would be at the top and start calculating and tracking those teams and then sort them by point totals or did they calculate everyone all year and just sort by total. If they calculated everyone and have it all together, why does it take so much work and why not publish it?
I think they have all of them already and all she is doing is validating you are a member and then looking up your points. It took me less than 30 min from email sent to received to get them. It would be stupid to have to calculate all teams categories, etc for each request. All of that data is already contained in a database I'm sure.
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I think they have all of them already and all she is doing is validating you are a member and then looking up your points. It took me less than 30 min from email sent to received to get them. It would be stupid to have to calculate all teams categories, etc for each request. All of that data is already contained in a database I'm sure.

Then why not publish it. Also what did you get? Did you get your ranking or how many points you earned in the TOY system?

But yes it would be stupid to calculate each request.
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Then why not publish it. Also what did you get? Did you get your ranking or how many points you earned in the TOY system?

But yes it would be stupid to calculate each request.
If I understand what I think is correct, they would have to verifify all 4,000 plus teams are eligible for TOY and that is why the list is not published.

If you email dawn@kcbs.us and ask, they will send you a certificate with your placing. I read that in the last Bullsheet. I emailed her and asked for my points in each category and overall, which is what I received.
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