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Old 12-20-2009, 08:08 AM   #1
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Here is my suggestion to all sanctioned BBQ bodies that organize BBQ Cook-Offs:

My thought is to have each single meat catagory judging be done by catagories of stick burners, charcoal burner (No Electronics/Electricity), charcoal burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and then gas burners (At the table level Blind to the judges). The judgeing would be on as level as possible a playing field as possible with a difficulty multiplier to be applied to each of the meat catagory's final score (all 3 categories scores added together for each meat). Then take those scores and combine them all to get the Meat and overall winners.

I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following:
Log Burners - X 1.3
Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2
Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) - 1.1
Gas Burner - 1.0

This would also get the gas Burners in the event and I believe we would see 200 Teams where we see only 20-30 today in the pro devision. I think that the backyard would also be full with gassers.

What do you think?
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:15 AM   #2
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Seems like you have put a lot of good thought into all this. I use a stick burner myself. However, when I lose to a team that uses another kind of smoker I assume that they are:
1. Better cooks
2. Harder workers.

I don't see any need whatsoever to differentiate between cookers and types of cookers. As far as I'm concerned - let folks use whatever they want. It will always come down to ability and hard work, IMO. As for difficulty - I can't imagine how difficult it is to deal with power shortages, fried "boards" and stuck augers. Heck, all I have to do is start a fire :)
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:22 AM   #3
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Sounds to me like you think a stick burner is harder to use than other cookers. Or maybe stick burners can't cook so they need a big edge just to compete.

And I notice you decided to ban pellets or are they just little sticks.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:39 AM   #4
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That is a logistical nightmare...
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:45 AM   #5
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My logic is to level the field and get the gas burners in to up the Teams counts quick.

As far as a stick burner being fed a stick or two every 30-45 minutes all night the same dificulty as pour a bag of charcoal in and start the temp control device and then go to bed ... come on.

The analogy I gave in another thread is a hand welder skills and difficulty rated against a robotic welder operator. One does all the work and the other just sets up the machine and pushes a button. The weld bead is what would be judged only in todays sanctioned events. Which takes more human skill set and difficulty and is that a fair challange?

BTW - I have re-vamped to include pellet cookers:

I would have the difficulty multiplier something like the following:
Log Burners - X 1.3
Charcoal Burner (No Electronics/Electricity) - 1.2
Charcoal Burner (With Electronics/Electricity) and Pellet Cookers - 1.1
Gas Burner - 1.0

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Old 12-20-2009, 09:16 AM   #6
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How about homemade cookers X 2.5?

Seriously though, why would a stick burner be that much more difficult than a charcoal (Backwoods) cooker?
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:22 AM   #7
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How about homemade cookers X 2.5?

Seriously though, why would a stick burner be that much more difficult than a charcoal (Backwoods) cooker?

This was just a starting point to discuss possibilities. I am not saying those should not be equally weighted, or that the factors to multiply are correct %. I am just trying to get new judgeing involved and to find a way to get the gassers in the mix.
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This was just a starting point to discuss possibilities. I am not saying those should not be equally weighted, or that the factors to multiply are correct %. I am just trying to get new judgeing involved and to find a way to get the gassers in the mix.
Then how about we allow gassers.
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Then how about we allow gassers.
I am down for that ... and let everyone cook on what they like and can afford and scrap the difficulty multiplier. Hmmmmm

What does everyone else think about that logic?
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:40 AM   #10
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As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.
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Old 12-20-2009, 09:55 AM   #11
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As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.
I agree ... I was shaking the trees to make people see that the reason gassers was not allowed is no longer true. I am just trying to get the discussion here to be "Why Not Allow Gassers Now".

Can you vision the Pro Team Count blow through the roof if gas was allowed?
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As for me, I say let 'em cook on whatever puts them on top of their game. If I beat them, great for me. If they beat me, I need to work a little harder to find that edge.

I would find it a bitter pill to swallow if I won a comp and found out that the FEC or guru'ed stumps actually OUTSCORED me, but I won because I use a homebuilt stickburner and the multiplier handed me the win. That just ain't how I roll.
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What if I use logs and charcoal? Can I add the multipliers together?

Gasser and Stick Burner tie at 600. Stick burner gets 30% bump to 780 points.

With all of the electronics that can go wrong with a pellet cooker, I think they should be 1.4. I mean if you really want to challenge yourself, rely on a pellet machine. Takes a big pair to take the risk.
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I think the Gas cookers should get the highest multiplier because they'll get the most crap from the whiney stick burners. It's going to be a long winter.
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I think the Gas cookers should get the highest multiplier because they'll get the most crap from the whiney stick burners. It's going to be a long winter.
How about just no Farking banning of gassers from Pro Comps and no difficulty factor be applied
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