Paul Kirk

motoeric · 11-04-2009, 10:45 PM

As time permits, I'm going to go through as many of the minutes as I have and list the amount of times that committee chairs that are up for reelection have filed reports at the monthly meetings.

Reporting on your committees actions or inaction isn't the end all and be all of their contributions, but I do find it telling. I would appreciate input from those more in the know about why someones activity doesn't mean they should get your vote or why their inactivity doesn't mean that you should exclude them.

According to the 20 different BoD meeting minutes that I went over from 2007 to current, Paul Kirk has had a committee report for his committee (education) 4 times. He has had no report 15 times. One copy of the minutes was inconclusive.

No reports:
April 08
Jan 09
March 08
April 09
May 09
May 08
June 09
July 09
August 09
September 09
September 08
Nov 07
Nov 08
Dec 08
Aug 07

Report:
2/25/09
3/11/09
04/07
10/08

Inconclusive:
Dec. 07

I hope that this is helpful to others as it was a pain in the *ss to go through.

Eric

Jeff_in_KC · 11-04-2009, 11:42 PM

I am a big fan of education and it is vitally important to the future growth of KCBS. I've stressed the importance of seeing ANY some sign of activity on committees for a long time now and this even surprises me...

Jeff_in_KC · 11-05-2009, 07:07 AM

"any some sign"?

Guess I was up way too late last night! Hate it when the edit button is gone.

timzcardz · 11-05-2009, 07:49 AM

I find it interesting that there is virtually nothing to report on education, because that's not what they tell the IRS.

From KCBS 2008 990 form:

Note that above they refer to "Statement 8" for what the primary exempt purpose is.

With education being one of the two stated purposes for the exempt status, I would think that there should be something of substance to report regularly.

I would think that it would be imporant to do so to maintain documented substantiation of the fulfillment of the prupose of its oroganization's tax exempt status, but then what do I know?

ThomEmery · 11-05-2009, 08:02 AM

Yes any, yea even some sign of activity a good thing

Scottie · 11-05-2009, 08:22 AM

Has anyone checked for a pulse?

While you were compiling these stats, I don't suppose you did them for everyone? I'd like to see those numbers...

Thank you for doing this. I've often contemplated it and figured... Nah...

Squeeze · 11-05-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottie

Has anyone checked for a pulse?

While you were compiling these stats, I don't suppose you did them for everyone? I'd like to see those numbers...

Thank you for doing this. I've often contemplated it and figured... Nah...

I agree...I think it is important to be able to cast an educated ballot. If the incumbents are not doing anything, why should they stay in, but on the other hand, if they have been a positively contributing director leading the way, then they should stay. I hope this is done with all of the directors seeking re-election. Thank you.

-Kevin

JD McGee · 11-05-2009, 09:01 AM

Just a thought here...

Wouldn't classes taught by folks like Paul be considered "educational". I'm sure his schedule and curriculum are public knowledge...

...or am I way off the topic base?

Just curious...

JD

Scottie · 11-05-2009, 09:12 AM

Sure they are educational. They are also profit driven... I mean, unless The Baron of BBQ is donating all of his profits back to the KCBS... I sure wouldn't hold my breath on that....

monty3777 · 11-05-2009, 10:09 AM

Obviously "no report" does not equal "no work done on behalf of KCBS." Certainly it might, but Paul deserves the benefit of deeper investigation before he is summarily dismissed as a lazy good for nothing. That goes for all the other members of the Board.

Skip · 11-05-2009, 12:21 PM

I think we need to see the others. We see this as a horrible record but others may be worse. I also question how much of a litmus test this actually is for the leadership. Is there a benchmark that we could follow? I guess what I am asking is "What exactly am I looking at and how does it bode for the person its attached to?"

Slamdunkpro · 11-05-2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee

Just a thought here...

Wouldn't classes taught by folks like Paul be considered "educational". I'm sure his schedule and curriculum are public knowledge...

...or am I way off the topic base?

Just curious...

JD

I suspect that KCBS catagorizes CBJ classes as education.

Skip · 11-05-2009, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slamdunkpro

I suspect that KCBS catagorizes CBJ classes as education.

If you notice post #4 they seem to seperate education and judging classes.

motoeric · 11-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monty3777

Obviously "no report" does not equal "no work done on behalf of KCBS." Certainly it might, but Paul deserves the benefit of deeper investigation before he is summarily dismissed as a lazy good for nothing. That goes for all the other members of the Board.

I have no idea where this is coming from. I don't think that anyone has suggested anything of the kind.

I'm hoping that their reporting is one tool amongst many that we can use to help educate ourselves on who should be voted for.

Eric

Plowboy · 11-05-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD McGee

Just a thought here...

Wouldn't classes taught by folks like Paul be considered "educational". I'm sure his schedule and curriculum are public knowledge...

...or am I way off the topic base?

Just curious...

JD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottie

Sure they are educational. They are also profit driven... I mean, unless The Baron of BBQ is donating all of his profits back to the KCBS... I sure wouldn't hold my breath on that....

This year, Paul made a motion that anyone who writes for the Bullsheet should get free advertising for their cooking classes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feb 2009

A motion was approved for KCBS end the practice of putting cooking classes in the Bullsheet and on the web, without a charge, to be effective April 1, 2009.

Rod Gray, abstain
Gene Goycochea, yes
Don Harwell, yes
Paul Kirk, abstain
Wayne Lohman, no
Linda Mullane, yes
Steve Ownby, no
Ed Roith, no
Tana Shupe, no
Carol Whitebook yes
Merl Whitebook yes
5 yes, 4 no 2 abstentions, the motion passes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by March 2009

From Agenda: Motion by Paul Kirk: I am proposing a motion that Board of Directors and members that contribute articles to the Bull Sheet on a regular basis receive their family dues free for their services and use the services of the Bull sheet as in listing classes for their contributions to such publications.

From Board meeting: The Board stayed the charging an advertising fee for posting of cooking classes until the editorial and publication policy is completed.

11-04-2009, 10:45 PM	#1
motoeric Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-07-06 Location: huntington, ny Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Paul Kirk As time permits, I'm going to go through as many of the minutes as I have and list the amount of times that committee chairs that are up for reelection have filed reports at the monthly meetings. Reporting on your committees actions or inaction isn't the end all and be all of their contributions, but I do find it telling. I would appreciate input from those more in the know about why someones activity doesn't mean they should get your vote or why their inactivity doesn't mean that you should exclude them. According to the 20 different BoD meeting minutes that I went over from 2007 to current, Paul Kirk has had a committee report for his committee (education) 4 times. He has had no report 15 times. One copy of the minutes was inconclusive. No reports: April 08 Jan 09 March 08 April 09 May 09 May 08 June 09 July 09 August 09 September 09 September 08 Nov 07 Nov 08 Dec 08 Aug 07 Report: 2/25/09 3/11/09 04/07 10/08 Inconclusive: Dec. 07 I hope that this is helpful to others as it was a pain in the *ss to go through. Eric __________________ Smoke Signals Current Issue A BBQ Brethren Publication 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Exodus 12:9

11-04-2009, 11:42 PM	#2
Jeff_in_KC somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 01-04-05 Location: Pleasant Hill, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I am a big fan of education and it is vitally important to the future growth of KCBS. I've stressed the importance of seeing ANY some sign of activity on committees for a long time now and this even surprises me... __________________ Big Creek BBQ Competition Team KCBS Member and CBJ #14287 Contest Organizer - Smokin' on Big Creek Co-Founder and Executive Director Operation BBQ Relief, Inc. Visit us at Operation BBQ Relief dot org

11-05-2009, 07:07 AM	#3
Jeff_in_KC somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 01-04-05 Location: Pleasant Hill, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"any some sign"? Guess I was up way too late last night! Hate it when the edit button is gone. __________________ Big Creek BBQ Competition Team KCBS Member and CBJ #14287 Contest Organizer - Smokin' on Big Creek Co-Founder and Executive Director Operation BBQ Relief, Inc. Visit us at Operation BBQ Relief dot org

11-05-2009, 08:02 AM	#5
ThomEmery Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-20-05 Location: Indio Ca. Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yes any, yea even some sign of activity a good thing __________________ Catering, Contests, and Community Service http://bbqthom.ning.com/video/our-wells-cargo-trailer Serving Jesus and great BBQ :) Team What Wood Jesus Q?

11-05-2009, 08:22 AM	#6
Scottie Babbling Farker Join Date: 11-03-06 Location: Chi-Town Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Has anyone checked for a pulse? While you were compiling these stats, I don't suppose you did them for everyone? I'd like to see those numbers... Thank you for doing this. I've often contemplated it and figured... Nah... __________________ cancersuckschicago.com FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA BBQ TOUR Red Jambo one off FE 100 FEC 100 WSM Homer Simpson 22 " Weber Kettle Red 18 1/2" Weber Kettle Black 26 3/4" Weber Kettle

11-05-2009, 07:49 AM	#4
timzcardz is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 07-22-05 Location: Long Island, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I find it interesting that there is virtually nothing to report on education, because that's not what they tell the IRS. From KCBS 2008 990 form: Note that above they refer to "Statement 8" for what the primary exempt purpose is. With education being one of the two stated purposes for the exempt status, I would think that there should be something of substance to report regularly. I would think that it would be imporant to do so to maintain documented substantiation of the fulfillment of the prupose of its oroganization's tax exempt status, but then what do I know? __________________ GRIM REAPER SMOKERS - "BBQ To Die For" ™ Weber Smokey Mountain x 2 Weber Genesis Silver x 2 Weber One Touch Gold Weber Smokey Joe Weber Performer Bottle of Absolut Bottle of Beer Everything Ripken "Cards and Que. One tastes of cardboard, the other sweet blue." ©

11-05-2009, 09:01 AM	#8
JD McGee somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 06-28-07 Location: Duvall, WA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Just a thought here... Wouldn't classes taught by folks like Paul be considered "educational". I'm sure his schedule and curriculum are public knowledge... ...or am I way off the topic base? Just curious... JD __________________ Wine Country "Q" Competition BBQ

11-05-2009, 09:12 AM	#9
Scottie Babbling Farker Join Date: 11-03-06 Location: Chi-Town Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sure they are educational. They are also profit driven... I mean, unless The Baron of BBQ is donating all of his profits back to the KCBS... I sure wouldn't hold my breath on that.... __________________ cancersuckschicago.com FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA BBQ TOUR Red Jambo one off FE 100 FEC 100 WSM Homer Simpson 22 " Weber Kettle Red 18 1/2" Weber Kettle Black 26 3/4" Weber Kettle

11-05-2009, 10:09 AM	#10
monty3777 is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-13-08 Location: Happytown, IA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Obviously "no report" does not equal "no work done on behalf of KCBS." Certainly it might, but Paul deserves the benefit of deeper investigation before he is summarily dismissed as a lazy good for nothing. That goes for all the other members of the Board. __________________ John 21:9

11-05-2009, 12:21 PM	#11
Skip is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-24-07 Location: Wantagh, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think we need to see the others. We see this as a horrible record but others may be worse. I also question how much of a litmus test this actually is for the leadership. Is there a benchmark that we could follow? I guess what I am asking is "What exactly am I looking at and how does it bode for the person its attached to?" __________________ WannaBeBBQueen's Prince Consort Swamp Pit BBQ's freeloader To part or not to part: that is the question. Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to part and suffer the slings and arrows of ostentatious brothers or to not part when faced with a sea of dissent, and by compromise end it? To part: to succeed. Forever more: and by succeed to say we win. Yeah it looks good...but how does it smell? Member of The Big Guns BBQ Team Semper Fumantem

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