Comment Card Wall of Shame

Pickin' Porkers · 08-14-2009, 12:42 PM

Hopefully this will become a sticky and all will add something when it is warranted...I have recenty gotten two comment cards with the darnest comments from judges which I HAD to share.

Box had sauce smeared on the lid. Scored a 6 (Aren't you supposed to judge the meat appearance?)

Pork had too much salt added Scored a 7 ( I add no salt and very little in injections) I would have had no problem had the judge said..it TASTED salty.

Double D's BBQ · 08-14-2009, 01:12 PM

How about I scored your chicken down (4) because it was pink. Hello,,,,,smoke ring! This chicken came in 5th in Kettering (42 teams) despite the 4 score for a smoke ring.

Lake Dogs · 08-14-2009, 01:26 PM

Being a "damned judge" myself, I will NOT defend those.

Ok, the "salt" vs. "salty"... You say salt, I say sodium...

Appearance in KCBS isn't the same appearance as say MIM/MBN. MIM/MBN is the
appearance of the pork. KCBS is the presentation, so unfortunately a sauce smear
really does factor in to it... Shame, but true.

The chicken smoke ring.... THAT judge is a genuine IDIOT!

QN · 08-14-2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Dogs

Being a "damned judge" myself, I will NOT defend those.

Ok, the "salt" vs. "salty"... You say salt, I say sodium...

Appearance in KCBS isn't the same appearance as say MIM/MBN. MIM/MBN is the
appearance of the pork. KCBS is the presentation, so unfortunately a sauce smear
really does factor in to it... Shame, but true.

The chicken smoke ring.... THAT judge is a genuine IDIOT!

NO, you are WRONG! KCBS is most definitely the Appearance of the MEAT. If you are judging a KCBS entry down because of anything other than the appearance of the meat you should not be judging. The scorecard clearly says Appearance NOT presentation. Appearance scores are to be given for the appearance of the meat. It is even common for table captains to remind judges when they show a box for appearance scoring that they are "judging the appearance of the meat".

Skip · 08-14-2009, 01:34 PM

How did it smell?

SmokeInDaEye · 08-14-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skip

How did it smell?

Like a dog's butt...with too much salt.

Divemaster · 08-14-2009, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Dogs

Being a "damned judge" myself, I will NOT defend those.

Ok, the "salt" vs. "salty"... You say salt, I say sodium...

Appearance in KCBS isn't the same appearance as say MIM/MBN. MIM/MBN is the
appearance of the pork. KCBS is the presentation, so unfortunately a sauce smear
really does factor in to it... Shame, but true.

The chicken smoke ring.... THAT judge is a genuine IDIOT!

Quote:

Originally Posted by QN

NO, you are WRONG! KCBS is most definitely the Appearance of the MEAT. If you are judging a KCBS entry down because of anything other than the appearance of the meat you should not be judging. The scorecard clearly says Appearance NOT presentation. Appearance scores are to be given for the appearance of the meat. It is even common for table captains to remind judges when they show a box for appearance scoring that they are "judging the appearance of the meat".

Guys, take a deap breath....

Actually, QN is correct. From what I understand from the Reps I've talked with, the Judges are to be instructed not to include the lids in thier judging... Why? Because it may have happened AFTER the box was turned in.

KC_Bobby · 08-14-2009, 02:41 PM

A judge is not to take the a sauced lid into consideration. However if the lid made a mark on the meat, I believe by the rules the meat itself is fair game for scoring as you see it.

I can ask at tomorrows judges meeting if anyone would like me to...

Ford · 08-14-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Dogs

Being a "damned judge" myself, I will NOT defend those.

Ok, the "salt" vs. "salty"... You say salt, I say sodium...

Appearance in KCBS isn't the same appearance as say MIM/MBN. MIM/MBN is the
appearance of the pork. KCBS is the presentation, so unfortunately a sauce smear
really does factor in to it... Shame, but true.

The chicken smoke ring.... THAT judge is a genuine IDIOT!

QN is correct that sauce smears do not count. However if there is a smear then it probably means that the meat itself is smudged and that is a score down, especially on chicken and ribs. Kind of like a finger mark and that's a score down IMHO. Only use toothpicks once sauce is on the chicken in the cooker. Not touched by human or robot hands.

Bentley · 08-14-2009, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ford

QN is correct that sauce smears do not count. However if there is a smear then it probably means that the meat itselfand that is smudged is a score down, especially on chicken and ribs.

Why.

Who smuged it?

Because some dufus like me is Table Captian and fumbles the box...That aint right.

GratefulSmoker · 08-14-2009, 03:21 PM

At our last contest we were given a comment card on chicken....it had one word on it....Bland! Nothing else written, just..Bland. We thought it was kind of humurous, it scored decent with all the other judges.

EatonHoggBBQ · 08-15-2009, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bentley

Why.
Who smuged it?

The lids get smudged from turn in boxes being stacked on top of each other. I've seen that happen at several contests. And like Ford said "if there is a smear then it probably means that the meat itself is smudged and that is a score down". Unfortunate results because someone was careless.

Solidkick · 08-15-2009, 02:04 PM

OK guys.....let's get back on topic of the original post in the thread....if this grows, we'll consider cleaning it up and posting as a sticky.....

As for me, I'm never been given a comment card....but I should have had 6 of them on some DAL chicken.......LOL

HickoryFlats · 08-15-2009, 02:21 PM

I have heard nothing but complaints about comment cards and cooks saying it should not be something that continues. I have never received one but would welcome them. I think as cooks we can sort out the meticulous and additionally profit from genuine constructive criticism. Taste is like noses other parts of the anatomy....everyone has their own. If only one judge thinks it is salty, don't worry about it.....at least you know what happened on that score. If a trend develops then it gives you some direction. I am a homebrewer and in beer judging comments are mandatory. I feel the more input you get the better off you are.

Paul

butts · 08-15-2009, 09:01 PM

Great topic Roger!

Here's one from Gaffney this year for chicken:
"Very Very Good. Great taste, Juicy. Wanted More (with a smiley face)."
CBJ and the score was 998

I share this because I think that the comment cards can go both ways. The judge liked my chicken but thought that the tenderness was a little off?

08-14-2009, 12:42 PM	#1
Pickin' Porkers Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-15-07 Location: Clemmons, NC Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Comment Card Wall of Shame Hopefully this will become a sticky and all will add something when it is warranted...I have recenty gotten two comment cards with the darnest comments from judges which I HAD to share. Box had sauce smeared on the lid. Scored a 6 (Aren't you supposed to judge the meat appearance?) Pork had too much salt added Scored a 7 ( I add no salt and very little in injections) I would have had no problem had the judge said..it TASTED salty.

08-14-2009, 01:12 PM	#2
Double D's BBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 10-31-05 Location: Hudson, OH Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How about I scored your chicken down (4) because it was pink. Hello,,,,,smoke ring! This chicken came in 5th in Kettering (42 teams) despite the 4 score for a smoke ring. __________________ 1. Jamie Geer Large Trailer Mounted Pit 2. Klose Fajita Grill 3. Jedmaster 3660 Champion 4. Primo Oval 5. Stumps GF 223 6. FEC 100 7. Backwoods Smoker - Fatboy 8. Traeger Texas Grill (BBQ 075)

08-14-2009, 01:34 PM	#5
Skip is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 07-24-07 Location: Wantagh, NY Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How did it smell? __________________ WannaBeBBQueen's Prince Consort Swamp Pit BBQ's freeloader To part or not to part: that is the question. Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to part and suffer the slings and arrows of ostentatious brothers or to not part when faced with a sea of dissent, and by compromise end it? To part: to succeed. Forever more: and by succeed to say we win. Yeah it looks good...but how does it smell? Member of The Big Guns BBQ Team Semper Fumantem

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KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Gardner KS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A judge is not to take the a sauced lid into consideration. However if the lid made a mark on the meat, I believe by the rules the meat itself is fair game for scoring as you see it. I can ask at tomorrows judges meeting if anyone would like me to... __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

08-14-2009, 03:21 PM	#11
GratefulSmoker On the road to being a farker Join Date: 08-06-08 Location: Collinsville, Oklahoma Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	At our last contest we were given a comment card on chicken....it had one word on it....Bland! Nothing else written, just..Bland. We thought it was kind of humurous, it scored decent with all the other judges. __________________ [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][B]Joshua Seabolt[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#ff0000][U][COLOR=black]Business:[/COLOR][/U] Fairway BBQ Inc.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=lime][URL="http://www.fairwaybbq.com"]www.fairwaybbq.com[/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#00ff00][URL="http://www.smokinandfarmin.wordpress.com"][/URL][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#ff0000][COLOR=black][U]Team Name:[/U][/COLOR] New Pigs On The Block BBQ[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#ff0000][U][COLOR=black]Smokers:[/COLOR][/U] FEC100, 4 x Weber Kettles 22.5, 1951 Hasty Bake project, Hasty Bake Ranger[/COLOR][/SIZE]

08-14-2009, 01:26 PM	#3
Lake Dogs Babbling Farker Join Date: 07-14-09 Location: Lake Sinclair, GA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Being a "damned judge" myself, I will NOT defend those. Ok, the "salt" vs. "salty"... You say salt, I say sodium... Appearance in KCBS isn't the same appearance as say MIM/MBN. MIM/MBN is the appearance of the pork. KCBS is the presentation, so unfortunately a sauce smear really does factor in to it... Shame, but true. The chicken smoke ring.... THAT judge is a genuine IDIOT!

08-15-2009, 02:04 PM	#13
Solidkick somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-21-03 Location: Bandera Owner in Missouri Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OK guys.....let's get back on topic of the original post in the thread....if this grows, we'll consider cleaning it up and posting as a sticky..... As for me, I'm never been given a comment card....but I should have had 6 of them on some DAL chicken.......LOL __________________ Mr. Kick ------------------------------------------------ *Belly Brothers BBQ Team* "Sister Flame" Spicewine Trailer Smoker,Modified Bandera, Uni-Flame Chicken Cooker with a Spicewine Thermometer mod,Kingsford Barrel cooker and a super fast RED thermapen KC always said "fat cap up!!

08-15-2009, 02:21 PM	#14
HickoryFlats Found some matches. Join Date: 12-25-05 Location: Versailles, IN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have heard nothing but complaints about comment cards and cooks saying it should not be something that continues. I have never received one but would welcome them. I think as cooks we can sort out the meticulous and additionally profit from genuine constructive criticism. Taste is like noses other parts of the anatomy....everyone has their own. If only one judge thinks it is salty, don't worry about it.....at least you know what happened on that score. If a trend develops then it gives you some direction. I am a homebrewer and in beer judging comments are mandatory. I feel the more input you get the better off you are. Paul

08-15-2009, 09:01 PM	#15
butts Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-11-06 Location: landrum, sc Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great topic Roger! Here's one from Gaffney this year for chicken: "Very Very Good. Great taste, Juicy. Wanted More (with a smiley face)." CBJ and the score was 998 I share this because I think that the comment cards can go both ways. The judge liked my chicken but thought that the tenderness was a little off? __________________ Stumps GF223CM Weber WSM and Kettle CS 570 7' X 14' enclosed trailer ButtsandBreastts BBQ Facebook: Butts and Breastts

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