Ignorance and what is and is not BBQ

[Hugh Jorgan]

I just found this. It's just to show you that this is what we think of BBQ in South Carolina. It's not 100% accurate but a pretty good read. I have read or heard most of what he says for the better part of my life. We are not fans of this new fangled stuff some of you are calling BBQ.

http://www.scbarbeque.com/History.html

Consider that 100% opinion. This is not a referencing source.

[BBQ Grail]

The internet. Oh that's a great source. A SC website telling us that anything not cooked like SC says is not BBQ.

Yup, you've convinced me!

If I post excerpts from a couple of books written by others that claim the origins are not what you state, will you accept them as fact?

Since I'm really tired of dealing with this, I'm going to go ahead and admit that you are correct.

[zydecopaws]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan

Thanks I'm not in Florida anymore, I'm back in SC now. But if I couldn't be here, I would love to be there.

Zydeco,
Are Webster's Dictionary and the Oxford English dictionary not real books? See this is why I think this is a gang up party. You must not have even read what I posted earlier. Seems like you're just jumping on the bandwagon. I have presented facts and their sources.

So I should refer all history questions to a couple of dictionaries? Not a gang up party, and I read the entire thread before posting. If you are going to cite historical references and the best you can come up with is a couple of dictionaries, I would suggest that your argument is pretty weak.

As for the bandwagon, you'll notice that I didn't tell you that your definition was incorrect, but merely asked you to cite reasonable sources. Since you disdain Dictionary.com as current English rather than historical English, let's go back to Websters' and Oxford. Neither of their definitions said anything about BBQ being only pork, and most of your other statements regarding history aren't included there either.

You arguments are weak, as is your logic. Attempting to dodge my request for acceptable historical references beyond a dictionary by accusing me of jumping on the bandwagon is a failing argument. It's clear you are attempting to win this particular argument by wearing us all down with your constant repetition of "I believe it, so it must be so". At this point, it is clear that no amount of other evidence is going to convince you to come off your beliefs; I believe I will go have a beer and read other posts from folks who have something worthwhile to offer.

[BBQ Grail]

Originally Posted by zydecopaws

At this point, it is clear that no amount of other evidence is going to convince you to come off your beliefs; I believe I will go have a beer and read other posts from folks who have something worthwhile to offer.

He wore me down! I'm going to go smoke a brisket, grill some sausages and BBQ a pork butt. I will not be discouraged...after all I'm a member of the BBQ/Grill/Smoking Brethren!

[Hugh Jorgan]

Originally Posted by barbefunkoramaque

Barbacoa was made with cow cheeks BEEF, and goat (Cabrito) in differing regions. It's basically what they had or what was regionally available.

Well if you read the Oxford English dictionary quote instead of glancing it over, you will see that they seem to say that the term is a bastardization of barbacoa since the Arawak indians had an almost identical word that they applied to the rack that they cooked on. The following link leads to a list of words that are attributed as coming from various indigenous American groups but have made their way into the English language.

http://www.askoxford.com/globalengli...ap_02/?view=uk

Originally Posted by barbefunkoramaque

I told a story once of leaving Texas and going into Tennessee and the Carolinas and refusing to eat pork BBQ for the same reason you say Beef is not BBQ. Ignorance and inflexibility. I can say that about myself so please don't get all half-cocked and pissy 'cuz I directed it at you.

Well now you know the truth. But your usage of the term ignorance is wrong because as you can now clearly see, I know what BBQ is and has always been. Also, this is not a theory that I have. It is simply historical fact that anyone who is able to read should be able to understand.

I am sorry if you think I am abrasive, I think it's the other way around. Stick to the facts and don't try to restate what I have posted in different ways until you get the results you want. It wont work as you can disagree with facts all you want. You just can't change them.

[BBQ Grail]

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[Hugh Jorgan]

Okay, I concede the fact that all languages evolve, that is a given. I realize that word meanings change. But this does not change anything that I have stated. I also know that if you go anywhere and order BBQ, you don't know what's going to show up on that plate and that is just wrong in my opinion. I know that most people don't understand that just because you call an SUV a truck it is still just a glorified station wagon.

Why isn't all Brandy Cognac? or all brown whisky Bourbon? or all sparkling wine Champagne? or anything covered in some kinda sauce BBQ? Because it just isn't. And people who REALLY are in the know can accept and understand this.

[Hugh Jorgan]

I'm done with this. It's like my dad saying my cousin was a good boy even after he broke into our house twice. Sometimes even a good man can't bring himself to change the way he thinks about something. Even when presented with the truth.

[BBQ Grail]

[BBQ Grail]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jorgan

Sometimes even a good man can't bring himself to change the way he thinks about something. Even when presented with the truth.

Finally something many of us can agree with you on.

[zydecopaws]

So it is clear that those of us who disagree with you are not in the know, and only those that do agree with you can accept and understand this. Yep, there is no point in continuing this conversation, because clearly I am incapable of accepting and understanding this since I am not REALLY in the know. I think I will go back to what I know, what my friends and family love, and that is BBQ. And they don't care that it isn't always pork.

[ABQ]

What was barbecue before the Carolinas were invented?

I believe barbecue was provided as a method of cooking with an open flame. period. Any meat, any thing.

The pork only thing...I can see where you are coming from, but that is a modern application of the term and geographic specific.

"We are not fans of this new fangled stuff some of you are calling BBQ"

Roasting lamb, deer, elk, buffalo (and any type of beef), turkey, etc. over an open flame qualifies as legitimate barbecue. Nothing new about that.

These barbecue turf wars is something new and dorky if you ask me.

As for Champagne, until South Carolina (maybe they do) has a town called barbecue and exclusive rights, the word barbecue is free to use. I'm just saying...

[BBQ Grail]

Originally Posted by zydecopaws

So it is clear that those of us who disagree with you are not in the know, and only those that do agree with you can accept and understand this. Yep, there is no point in continuing this conversation, because clearly I am incapable of accepting and understanding this since I am not REALLY in the know. I think I will go back to what I know, what my friends and family love, and that is BBQ. And they don't care that it isn't always pork.

Even though you are an ignorant farker, you are still one of my favorite people.

[zydecopaws]

By the way, can someone dial up the KCBS and tell them to change their name, or at least stop it with that brisket and chicken stuff!