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Unread 06-18-2009, 11:12 PM   #1
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I'm starting this thread in earnest so please do not get offended, but please do contribute.

My background: I have cooked only two KCBS events. Both were at the 2007 American Royal, where we cooked the Invitational and the Open. I have however been exposed to much of the KCBS culture and technique here and on other forums as well as many midnight discussions at comps.

Otherwise I cook TGCBCA and IBCA events here in Texas, 34 so far.

While reading through the current Board Resignation thread I saw and read the KCBS mission statement. I had recently been curious about just
that. Or more to the point, HOW does the KCBS help, or hurt BBQ as a national cuisine?

So here it is again

KCBS Mission:

"Our mission is to celebrate, teach, preserve, and promote barbecue as a culinary technique, sport and art form. We want barbecue to be recognized as America's Cuisine."


The KCBS see's itself as the nations biggest and best organization for accomplishing the above goals and tends to dominate the discussion as well as the sandbox.

The breakdown:

Does it/can it, fulfill it's mission?

Celebrate: Yes indeed I do believe it does celebrate BBQ. From what I have seen the organization does a wonderful job of it.

Teach: Here is where I get stuck. What is taught? As far as I can tell it teaches an extremely narrow idea of what BBQ is. You competitors and
judges know what I'm talking about.

Preserve: Again I'm stuck. Does it preserve BBQ and all it's regional nuance? Not that I can tell. Does it preserve the past? Again not that I can tell. So if it's not preserving regional BBQ or the past ie: old ways? What does it preserve? As far as I can tell it only preserves the current form of accepted KCBS competiton BBQ.

Promote: Again, yes I think the organization does this well as the size of the club can attest.

Culinary technique, Absolutely!

Sport? OK.

Art form? Again, OK I can live with that.

I'm seeing that it's all becoming a formula rather than teaching and accepting a broad overview of BBQ in the USA, recognizing and
preserving our past, as culinary technique, sport and art form.
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Unread 06-18-2009, 11:29 PM   #2
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Don't forget the KCBS Roadshow. Mike and Chris Peters do several cooking demos at each contest they travel to. Say what you want, but they get a lot of spectators. There definitely teaching going on there.
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Im tired.. and lazy to get to lengthy, so iIn an overly simplifed cliif notes version of my perspective, i think the 'teach, promote, preserve' went down the tubes when they wrapped their arms around BBQt and said its mine mine mine, and you can't use it unless you pay for it. Small entities that would take the baselines KCBS has established and use ti to promote and grow the craft are now strong armed and hesitant to move forward.

They want to teach, promote, preserve, as long as they get paid.
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Im tired.. and lazy to get to lengthy, so iIn an overly simplifed cliif notes version of my perspective, i think the 'teach, promote, preserve' went down the tubes when they wrapped their arms around BBQt and said its mine mine mine, and you can't use it unless you pay for it. Small entities that would take the baselines KCBS has established and use ti to promote and grow the craft are now strong armed and hesitant to move forward.

They want to teach, promote, preserve, as long as they get paid.
But like the old saying goes, "Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?"
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ok, but i still think the vison has changed from what it was 6-7 years ago.
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ok, but i still think the vison has changed from what it was 6-7 years ago.
Yes, I think there is some middle ground that needs to be found in the issue you present. They've tried, but it either isn't the right solution or isn't understood.
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Don't forget the KCBS Roadshow. Mike and Chris Peters do several cooking demos at each contest they travel to. Say what you want, but they get a lot of spectators. There definitely teaching going on there.

This is by no means any disrespect to Mike or Chris, as they are employees or vendors of KCBS. But what they are teaching, is that BBQ or a means to an end for getting plugs in for all these new sponsors?
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pooh , I agree with you 100%. as usual.
That is why you wear the blue hat

up until recently, the smaller, outlying orgs were not necessarily embraced by KCBS, but were NEVER out and out threatened and cut off at the knees. Quite different from what is on the "about KCBS' page...

Networking with related trade associations and other contest-sanctioning organizations.
Teaming up with other food organizations and the media to promote barbeque.

But I digress, so... as not to get off topic, I will go back to Zilla's original ideas...

I DO believe that the Kansas City BBQ Society celebrates BBQ...
the members celebrate BBQ whole-heartedly!!!!

When we started, we were taught - by one of the best, and I FIRMLY believe that we were taught the RIGHT way... and this is it...
(thanks again Garry!)

first... have fun! (ALWAYS the number one rule...)
second... cook as well as you possibly can.
third... share what you have learned with others.

If we (the people ) keep doing these things, then I believe we are preserving the original concept... regardless of pellets, garnish, bite-thru skin, or any other phase that runs through and is gone.

Unfortunately I'd have to agree with it all becoming a formula, as can be seen by my thread on parsley.

And that, my friend, is a true bummer.
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Great subject Zilla!! I will refrain from my thoughts for now, but I think the KCBS is doing part of their mission very well and others not so well. But I will say I have seen improvements of late (1-2 years).
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Man did you open a can of worms! lol

I voiced my opinions at the kcbs banquet as a cook, judge and an organizer. Hense i was not the most popular person there lol

I can write pages on where they need to improve, but I dont want this to be a KCBS slam session either.

Ill throw in a little insght on judges to start.
In order to become a master judge, you need to judge 30 contests within a 3 year period (10 a year) I"ll never make it, and most wont, I guess if you dont do your 10 a year, you dont have the skills to be a master judge?

Have a friend who was certified, but, since he didnt renew his membership one year, He was told He was no longer certified. I didnt know your membership fee kept your certification. Hmm snatched all he learned and His experience right from his head i guess.
At the banquet I brought up that as a cook I would rather have a former certified CBJ judging my contest entry than aunt Martha that the reps plucked from the crowd. Again, didnt fair well lol

Keep in mind that KCBS has grown in leaps and bounds over the last couple years, hopefully they will use some of the contest money they collect to get more people to help the overworked office.
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Teaching to win? Teaching the turn in tray?
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Its when this:


Needed to change into this:
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That the organization focus went South of the Mission Statement.

Its all about $$

No more 501c3 charitable organization.

For Profit!

Protect our IP at all costs.

Strong arm local contests.

Thats what I've been reading here, by some of you folks that are the ones doing the competing and organizing.

"As The World Turns" has nothing on this org.
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I believe that things have gone down hill in the last few years there.
I hope things will inprove and I will renew my membership.
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I have not been around thatg long so I have not seen the changes that you are talkijng about. I can say I always have had a good time even Dover a few years ago, met a lot of great people, learned a lot, and have yet to find someone someone who is not willing to help and teach.
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In order to become a master judge, you need to judge 30 contests within a 3 year period (10 a year) I"ll never make it, and most wont, I guess if you dont do your 10 a year, you dont have the skills to be a master judge?
Just FYI this is no longer true, it's 30 period, no time frame or limit.

It was true at one point, but they changed the rule.
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