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04-23-2009, 09:25 PM | #1 |
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What the Heck is a Qualifier?
I've been searching threads looking for some sort of rhyme or reason as to how teams get selected to represent the best-of-the-best at contests such as the American Royal Invitational, The GAB, the Jack, etc.
I've seen talk about contests that aren't sanctioned still granting access to the big shows. What exactly is the criteria? Does a contest have to have 25 competitors to be included (or 15 for a first year contest*) and where is that written? And what about state championships? If governors of some states are quicker to the draw with the pen, does that weigh heavier than a better attended contest that couldn't get a proclamation? I'm just trying to better understand the process and hopefully make it better long term.
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04-23-2009, 09:31 PM | #2 |
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The GAB has it listed on their website http://www.thinkbbq.com/index.php?page=invitational
GAB Royal Oak Invitational Contest Qualifications for the Great American Barbecue Invitational Contest are… 1. Teams must win a qualifying barbecue sanctioned competition with a minimum of 10 teams. Qualifying sanctioning bodies include those sanctioning bodies that have 3 or more competitions in one year. Or 2. Teams must win a qualifying competition with a minimum of 50 teams. Extra criteria…….. 3. Only Grand Champions will be invited. 4. No PassDowns. 5. The qualifying timeline is the January 1 thru December 31 of the previous year. 6. The Sanctioning Bodies must submit the following information to the Great American Barbecue to [email protected]. The Sanctioning Body should identify itself, plus give contact person, email address and phone number. American Royal Invitational http://www.americanroyal.com/Default.aspx?tabid=236 Invitations Only Grand Champions are invited. No pass downs are accepted. Invitations will be extended to the qualified team name/head cook combination. Should the team name or head cook change after qualifying, the team must enter the American Royal Invitational under the qualifying team name/head cook combination. Should the same head cook have qualified with more than one team, he/she may enter the American Royal/KC Masterpiece Invitational Contest only one time. An invitation will be mailed from the American Royal to the qualifiers in mid August with a deadline for returning the application by September 1st. If an invitational team would like to also compete in the Open Contest, it is MANDATORY for that team to complete the Open Application ahead of time so a space can be reserved. Qualifying Contests Include: ·Contests with a “qualifying state championship.” A state championship is a contest with a state proclamation signed by the Governor with at least 15 competing teams the first year and 25 competing teams each subsequent year. ·Contests with a minimum of 50 competing teams are qualifiers and do not require a “state championship” proclamation. ·A state with only one contest must have a minimum of 15 competing teams to be considered but does not require a “state championship” proclamation. To be considered a “competing team,” teams must submit entries for all contest categories required to be the grand champion or overall winner of that event. Automatic Entries Go To: *Grand Champion of previous year’s American Royal Open Contest *Grand Champions of previous five (5) year’s American Royal/KC Masterpiece Invitational Contest *Grand Champion of previous year’s Annual Jack Daniel’s World Championship Invitational Barbecue *Grand Champion of current year’s Memphis in May World Championship Barbecue Contest *Grand Champion of current year’s Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo World Championship Bar-B-Que Contest JACK DANIELS As far as the Jack - I don't think this specifically answers the question but Chris posted this a few years back about the Jack as it's somewhat related. http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/sh...8&postcount=76
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04-23-2009, 09:51 PM | #3 |
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Interesting.
So for the Royal, you could have tons of teams from one state and only one from another depending on what the governor decides to sign. It makes less sense by the day.
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04-23-2009, 10:08 PM | #4 |
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I'm sure there's a lot of history behind the "state championship" criteria but I agree, Idon't see why a governor's seal of approval would be an ideal determining factor. Seems like it just creates extra work for an organizer to get paperwork done.
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04-23-2009, 10:16 PM | #5 |
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Yeah, its just sucks for someone who competes in a contest sanctioned by KCBS or another qualified body, beats 25 teams (or 15 in the first year*), then doesn't get an invite or included in the Jack draw because the governor didn't endorse their win. Or am I missing something?
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04-23-2009, 10:20 PM | #6 |
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In sports I've competed in, the sanctioning body decided upon which competitions were to be designated as the state championship.. No governors involved and no one ever said a peep.. It was viewed as a state championshipn by those involved with the sport and that is all that mattered. Usually 1 in each state per year. The winners or those competitors with qualifying totals would be eligilible to compete at a national championship which was also determined by the sanctioning body.
Here I could see how the sanctioning body stays away from making those calls and the membership not wanting a select few to decide what contest gets the designation as it could hurt all the other contests. That's were a point system like TOY would be the most ideal as long as it's capped at a reasonable # of contests.
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04-23-2009, 10:25 PM | #7 | |
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04-24-2009, 06:16 AM | #8 | |
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Here is last year's Jack Daniel's qualifying info:
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04-24-2009, 06:25 AM | #9 |
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I think that what KCBS has done, by forcing govenors proclimation, is to heighten the awareness of BBQ and bring it out of back alleys and seedy clinics. By going to the govenor it conveys a more globally accepted existence of BBQ. Not that it's to our advantage, but having several state championships is good. Now if you did a playoff kind of thingy with it....
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04-24-2009, 06:38 AM | #10 | |
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04-24-2009, 06:45 AM | #11 |
somebody shut me the fark up.
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Correct. The only KCBS involvement is to run the invitational contests for the organizers. The organizer decides, by their criteria, who attends.
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04-24-2009, 08:03 AM | #12 | |
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For the Royal and Jack qualifiers its basically * 1st Year 15 teams + State Proclamation * 2nd+ Year 25 teams + State Proclamation * or 50 teams Note that for the Jack there is a difference between qualifying and actually getting to cook it. |
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04-24-2009, 09:42 AM | #13 |
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I believe that for the Best of the Best in Ga. it's the top five teams by points in each sanctioning body that get invited.
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04-24-2009, 10:08 AM | #14 |
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While there are other ways "around" the invites (a 50-plus team contest), I think the KCBS did start the proclamation thing. I know they keep a file of the photocopies of the proclamations in the office. I've seen it myself. If they didn't care, why the file?
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04-24-2009, 11:30 AM | #15 |
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