Invitational/Qualifer qualifications. **renamed **

BBQchef33 · 01-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Another thread made my right brain ask me a question that my left brain couldnt answer.

Scenario:

Theres a contest with 25 teams signed up. So it qualifies as a Qualifier for the Big Invitationals.

One of the team screws up a catagory or 2 and gets DQ'ed in them.

There is now only have 24 scores in some catagories.

Does the contest loose the the status as a 'Qualifier'. ?

Next Scenario.

Same contest.

AFTER judging a team gets DQ'ed for whatever. (fighting, using gas, cheating, whatever). The DQ drops the team count to 24.

Again what happens to the qualifier status. ?

Just curious.

On EDIT: Wording Edited base on plowboys correction to original question.

Jeff Hughes · 01-10-2009, 02:45 PM

That one's for Merl...

Plowboy · 01-10-2009, 02:51 PM

Trick question. It is a state championship because of the governor proclamation.

I think the question that you are asking is if it qualifies for the invitationals. What I understand is that scenario #2 takes the contest out of the invitationals. Not sure about #2. I believe that Jack looks at individual categories so that contests don't have a few "chicken only" teams just to make their numbers.

BBQchef33 · 01-10-2009, 02:54 PM

yeah.. thats what I meant. Invitational qualifiers. i edited the original question. thanks.

So u think that if a team gets a full DQ for whatever, it wrecks the GC's chances at the jack?

Double D's BBQ · 01-10-2009, 02:54 PM

It still should be a qualifier as long as the disqualification occurred after all 25 teams have turned in their meats.

But don't hold me to it, I'm just guessing. Now if for some reason the disqualification occurred before turn ins, I thinkg there would be a problem.

BBQchef33 · 01-10-2009, 03:03 PM

And what if on game day, team 25 is a no show. All of a sudden 24 teams are screwed?

I know thats when organizers scramble to get a 'chicken only' team cooking on a smokey joe, but what if they cant. ?

Plowboy · 01-10-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBQchef33

And what if on game day, team 25 is a no show. All of a sudden 24 teams are screwed?

I know thats when organizers scramble to get a 'chicken only' team cooking on a smokey joe, but what if they cant. ?

From what I understand, the 24 are screwed.

I can't find invitational qualifications on the Jack or AMR site right now. They detail the requirements for their contests.

Alexa RnQ · 01-10-2009, 03:29 PM

We went around the mulberry bush about this at the end of last season with the Utah contests. And the official line was, all 25 teams have to turn in all four meats.
But somehow auditing the season turns up a few discrepancies.

MilitantSquatter · 01-10-2009, 03:36 PM

Who provides Invitiational contests with the actual State Champ results/score sheets that allows them to audit something like team count or DQ's ?

Plowboy · 01-10-2009, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by militantsquatter

who provides invitiational contests with the actual state champ results/score sheets that allows them to audit something like team count or dq's ?

kcbs

Roo-B-Q'N · 01-10-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plowboy

Trick question. It is a state championship because of the governor proclamation.

Once a contest is proclaimed by the governor, is the contest always a state championship or does it have to have a proclimation every year?

KC_Bobby · 01-10-2009, 05:30 PM

Here's my understanding of the rule changes that happened in 2008

The year started off that as long as 25 teams were entered and turned in one catagory, the comp was used as a qualifier.

Then the rule changed that 25 teams need to turn in 4 catagories on time to qualify.

Then because a nameless team was 40 seconds late turning in a brisket at a 25 team comp, the rule was changed again that as long as 25 teams turn in all 4 catagories regardless if it is late or not the comp would be a qualifier. Late entries would get scored 1-1-1 across the board which is still technically a disqualification but, since it gets a score of 20, it makes 25 teams.

That's how I understood the changes as in the Bullsheet this past year. I hope Rod or Merl correct me or elaborate further.

ov1 · 01-10-2009, 05:31 PM

From what I understand, it has to proclaimed by the Governor every year. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Plowboy · 01-10-2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo-B-Q'N

Once a contest is proclaimed by the governor, is the contest always a state championship or does it have to have a proclimation every year?

Based on Jeff's comments about the Pleasant Hill contest, he said they got a proclamation last year so they are good to go this year.

Aren't you an organizer for a NE State Championship?

KC_Bobby · 01-10-2009, 05:49 PM

If a state has more then 1 governor state championship proclimation ... what's the point? Or does it need that proclaimation in order to be recognized as a qualifier?

01-10-2009, 02:43 PM	#1
BBQchef33 Grand Poobah and Site Admin Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Long Island, NY Downloads: 10 Uploads: 4	Invitational/Qualifer qualifications. renamed Another thread made my right brain ask me a question that my left brain couldnt answer. Scenario: Theres a contest with 25 teams signed up. So it qualifies as a Qualifier for the Big Invitationals. One of the team screws up a catagory or 2 and gets DQ'ed in them. There is now only have 24 scores in some catagories. Does the contest loose the the status as a 'Qualifier'. ? Next Scenario. Same contest. AFTER judging a team gets DQ'ed for whatever. (fighting, using gas, cheating, whatever). The DQ drops the team count to 24. Again what happens to the qualifier status. ? Just curious. On EDIT: Wording Edited base on plowboys correction to original question. __________________ Site Administrator and Grand PooBah CBJ with a Fuzzy Blue Hat, 18 Foot Competition Trailer, Customized Klose BYC, Custom Klose built MoAB (Mother of All Banderas) passed on to Big Dog, 1 Double Barreled Lang 84, 1 Heavily Modified Bionic Bandera, 1 Custom Super Medium Stickburning Spicewine w/stoker, 1 XL BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 1 Pit Barrel Cooker, 3 WSMs, 3 Weber Kettles, an NB Hondo, A Modified Brinkman Horizontal, DCS 48" Grill, a Broilmaster P3, a covered, pellet pooping FEC100, and our duck died. :( News Flash: "A mans worth is judged by the weight of his integrity " You know your getting older when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy Smoke on KC. WWW.BBQ-BRETHREN.COM

01-10-2009, 02:51 PM	#3
Plowboy somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-09-06 Location: Blue Springs, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Trick question. It is a state championship because of the governor proclamation. I think the question that you are asking is if it qualifies for the invitationals. What I understand is that scenario #2 takes the contest out of the invitationals. Not sure about #2. I believe that Jack looks at individual categories so that contests don't have a few "chicken only" teams just to make their numbers. __________________ Pork Pullin Plowboys (and Smoke on Wheels) Save a hog, ride a plowboy! www.plowboysbbq.com Todd Johns (me); Blue Springs, MO Randy Hinck (PigBoy); Concordia, MO Andy Groneman (Hodedo); KC, KS (Cameo Appearances) FEC-500SS; FEC-100 (Right handed); FEC-100 (Left handed); Country Smoker Tailgater; Big Green Egg (2-large, small, mini); Cookshack Pellet Fired Charbroiler

01-10-2009, 02:54 PM	#4
BBQchef33 Grand Poobah and Site Admin Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Long Island, NY Downloads: 10 Uploads: 4	yeah.. thats what I meant. Invitational qualifiers. i edited the original question. thanks. So u think that if a team gets a full DQ for whatever, it wrecks the GC's chances at the jack? __________________ Site Administrator and Grand PooBah CBJ with a Fuzzy Blue Hat, 18 Foot Competition Trailer, Customized Klose BYC, Custom Klose built MoAB (Mother of All Banderas) passed on to Big Dog, 1 Double Barreled Lang 84, 1 Heavily Modified Bionic Bandera, 1 Custom Super Medium Stickburning Spicewine w/stoker, 1 XL BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 1 Pit Barrel Cooker, 3 WSMs, 3 Weber Kettles, an NB Hondo, A Modified Brinkman Horizontal, DCS 48" Grill, a Broilmaster P3, a covered, pellet pooping FEC100, and our duck died. :( News Flash: "A mans worth is judged by the weight of his integrity " You know your getting older when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy Smoke on KC. WWW.BBQ-BRETHREN.COM

01-10-2009, 02:54 PM	#5
Double D's BBQ Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 10-31-05 Location: Hudson, OH Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It still should be a qualifier as long as the disqualification occurred after all 25 teams have turned in their meats. But don't hold me to it, I'm just guessing. Now if for some reason the disqualification occurred before turn ins, I thinkg there would be a problem. __________________ 1. Jamie Geer Large Trailer Mounted Pit 2. Klose Fajita Grill 3. Jedmaster 3660 Champion 4. Primo Oval 5. Stumps GF 223 6. FEC 100 7. Backwoods Smoker - Fatboy 8. Traeger Texas Grill (BBQ 075)

01-10-2009, 03:03 PM	#6
BBQchef33 Grand Poobah and Site Admin Join Date: 08-11-03 Location: Long Island, NY Downloads: 10 Uploads: 4	And what if on game day, team 25 is a no show. All of a sudden 24 teams are screwed? I know thats when organizers scramble to get a 'chicken only' team cooking on a smokey joe, but what if they cant. ? __________________ Site Administrator and Grand PooBah CBJ with a Fuzzy Blue Hat, 18 Foot Competition Trailer, Customized Klose BYC, Custom Klose built MoAB (Mother of All Banderas) passed on to Big Dog, 1 Double Barreled Lang 84, 1 Heavily Modified Bionic Bandera, 1 Custom Super Medium Stickburning Spicewine w/stoker, 1 XL BGE, 1 Mini BGE, 1 Pit Barrel Cooker, 3 WSMs, 3 Weber Kettles, an NB Hondo, A Modified Brinkman Horizontal, DCS 48" Grill, a Broilmaster P3, a covered, pellet pooping FEC100, and our duck died. :( News Flash: "A mans worth is judged by the weight of his integrity " You know your getting older when you choose your cereal for the fiber, not the toy Smoke on KC. WWW.BBQ-BRETHREN.COM

01-10-2009, 02:45 PM	#2
Jeff Hughes is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 02-03-06 Location: tulsa oklahoma Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That one's for Merl... __________________ Klose 72" Mobile Medium BGE HastyBake Legacy 22" Weber Kettle(10 bucks@garage sale)

01-10-2009, 03:29 PM	#8
Alexa RnQ is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 09-12-07 Location: the Ninth Ring of Hell, cleverly disguised as Phoenix Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	We went around the mulberry bush about this at the end of last season with the Utah contests. And the official line was, all 25 teams have to turn in all four meats. But somehow auditing the season turns up a few discrepancies. __________________ . . Don't practice until you get it right; practice until you can't get it wrong. Don't overthink or undercook. Rhythm 'n QUE

01-10-2009, 03:36 PM	#9
MilitantSquatter Moderator Join Date: 09-17-05 Location: soon to be in Mooresville, NC Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Who provides Invitiational contests with the actual State Champ results/score sheets that allows them to audit something like team count or DQ's ? __________________ Vinny 22" WSM & Kettle Former owner: Jambo, Klose BYC, Med. Spicewine, Pitts & Spitts, XL & (2) Med. BGE's, (2) 18" WSM's

01-10-2009, 05:30 PM	#12
KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Gardner KS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Here's my understanding of the rule changes that happened in 2008 The year started off that as long as 25 teams were entered and turned in one catagory, the comp was used as a qualifier. Then the rule changed that 25 teams need to turn in 4 catagories on time to qualify. Then because a nameless team was 40 seconds late turning in a brisket at a 25 team comp, the rule was changed again that as long as 25 teams turn in all 4 catagories regardless if it is late or not the comp would be a qualifier. Late entries would get scored 1-1-1 across the board which is still technically a disqualification but, since it gets a score of 20, it makes 25 teams. That's how I understood the changes as in the Bullsheet this past year. I hope Rod or Merl correct me or elaborate further. __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

01-10-2009, 05:31 PM	#13
ov1 On the road to being a farker Join Date: 04-27-08 Location: Jasper, IN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	From what I understand, it has to proclaimed by the Governor every year. Please correct me if I am wrong.

01-10-2009, 05:49 PM	#15
KC_Bobby Babbling Farker Join Date: 05-03-07 Location: Gardner KS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If a state has more then 1 governor state championship proclimation ... what's the point? Or does it need that proclaimation in order to be recognized as a qualifier? __________________ Boondoggle BBQ Country Smokers 450 Weber Smokey Mountain 18" Proud KCBS Member & Certified Judge

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