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Old 11-11-2008, 04:57 PM   #16
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Are the minutes of board meetings avaiable to current members?
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:25 PM   #17
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Every month in the Bullsheet Bentley, Merl does a great job of detailing the issues and votes
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Old 11-11-2008, 06:42 PM   #18
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How can anyone send an educated response to something that hasn't been seen, by but a few people?

I'm not doubting that this petition doesn't exist, but, I,for one, am not going to send a letter to the entire board without reading it first.....
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Old 11-11-2008, 07:04 PM   #19
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Every month in the Bullsheet Bentley, Merl does a great job of detailing the issues and votes

They are the same as the offical minutes, or is that a synopsis?
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:50 AM   #20
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Unless I am wrong the membership would not get to vote on this or any matter as we were cheated out of out votes a few years ago. merl can tell us more about that and the number in the by laws I also remember that the bylaws would be on the KCBS website, are they?
Arlie, you are correct. Any change in the bylaws does not require any vote by the membership. Here is the language from the election/vote where this change was made and approved by a vote of the membership at that time. The red text is what this section used to say and the blue text is the new wording that was approved. It is difficult to read so below the actual wording from the section with the colored text I have inserted what the actual current wording is in the bylaws as they exist now.

Article XVIII.
ARTICLE XVII
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These Bylaws may be altered, amended or repealed and new Bylaws may be adopted at the annual meeting of the members by in accordance with Missouri statute 355.116. and a twothirds (2/3) affirmative vote of two-thirds of the all members present directors whole who are entitled to vote. Proposed amendments and/or revisions must be provided to all members director entitled to vote in writing at least one (1) month prior to the any meeting.

Article XVIII.
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These Bylaws may be altered, amended or repealed and new Bylaws may be adopted in accordance with Missouri statute 355.116. and a twothirds (2/3) affirmative vote of the directors who are entitled to vote. Proposed amendments and/or revisions must be provided to all directors entitled to vote in writing at least one (1) month prior to any meeting.

As you can see, the membership who voted gave complete power over the bylaws to the board of directors.

If anyone wants a copy of the current bylaws you can PM me your email address and I will send them to you as a PDF file. It is the complete document that was voted on and approved in a past election. It has all of the changes shown in color like the section above.

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Old 11-12-2008, 08:57 AM   #21
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By Laws should not be a membership vote, it is right for the directors to do this. It should be a large margin, 2/3rds and should be done with lot's of discussion first. By laws should not be opened and voted on at every meeting, they should be a living document and dealt with accordingly. Scott
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:58 AM   #22
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Just as a side note. A quorum to change by laws is not 2/3 of present directors, but rather 2/3 of all directors. So if 12 directors, 7 at the meeting, not enough directors to vote on the issue. Scott
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Old 11-12-2008, 11:57 AM   #23
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imagine that three brothers that you've never heard of were elected by a landslide to the Board. Would you be concerned about the possibility of something fishy going on?
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Article XVIII.
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These Bylaws may be altered, amended or repealed and new Bylaws may be adopted in accordance with Missouri statute 355.116. and a twothirds (2/3) affirmative vote of the directors who are entitled to vote.


So unless the Board is in imminent danger of being hijacked by a posse of 8(?) elected family members, I call BS.
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:54 PM   #24
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Here is a copy of the petition with the names removed
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:07 PM   #25
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I just do not see how this can be a representation of KCBS members. I never received any email or no one ever talked to me about signing this petition. So how does this represent me and my KCBS? To me, this "Petition" should not even be recognized by the Board. As I do not understand how the membership is represented by the few that signed this "Petition"...
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:13 PM   #26
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Why don't we cut to the chase, this petition has only two alternative.
1 to exclude Merl Whitebook from assuming his seat if re-elected or
2 to exclude Carol Whitebook from running for a second term.

OK now its on the table, lets talk about motive and why a few want to take your rights to vote away.

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Old 11-12-2008, 03:19 PM   #27
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Merl, correct me if ium wrong, but if I understand things properly, this is a request to amend the by-laws, which in order to move forward, the BOD would table and it then go to a vote.

Please everyone keep in mind this is NOT a KCBS board member that initiated it this time. So, , since this was received by the board form a member, and it has some sigs on it, then i would think the board has a responsibility to address it and make some type of ruling.

To shoot it down,
To table for further discsussion
To vote on it.

the vote would require 2/3 of the BOD, or 7 votes to pass 5 to overturn. We know Merls stance and most likely Carols, so thats 2, we need 3 more to overturn IF IT EVEN GETS TO A VOTE.

I think thats where we stand and we wait and see what the board thinks. I'm sure our BODs know the general standing of the membership based on the storm this caused last year.


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Old 11-12-2008, 03:23 PM   #28
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You have to love the "to include, but not limited to" part. Is it intentionally limitless to afford the opportunity to fit any desired need?

Not very well thought out, or was it?
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I just do not see how this can be a representation of KCBS members. I never received any email or no one ever talked to me about signing this petition. So how does this represent me and my KCBS? To me, this "Petition" should not even be recognized by the Board. As I do not understand how the membership is represented by the few that signed this "Petition"...
I think all members should be allowed to particpate in the KCBS including Randy Bigler and anyone who signs his petition. It's up to the board to then take that info and get input from more of the membership or maybe even decide not to persue the matter. Why should Randy and the other signatories be denied their rights? Just because you don't agree with them ? By the way I don't support that petition and the premise behind it but I recognize the rights of other KCBS members. I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the petition.
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:56 PM   #30
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I think all members should be allowed to particpate in the KCBS including Randy Bigler and anyone who signs his petition. It's up to the board to then take that info and get input from more of the membership or maybe even decide not to persue the matter. Why should Randy and the other signatories be denied their rights? Just because you don't agree with them ? By the way I don't support that petition and the premise behind it but I recognize the rights of other KCBS members. I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the petition.
I also don't have a problem with a petition being passed around but if it is to represented as speaking for the membership them I do have a problem. This petition never left one geographical area of the country and the contents of the petition were not made public until today (the day the Board is to meet).

We know that folks like Phillip Braizer, Randy Bigler and Mike Davis knew the content of the petition but refused to make available to whole membership. I really doubt that it is an oversite, there was plenty of opportunity.

Read into it what you want, I certainly will.
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