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Unread 10-06-2008, 11:13 AM   #1
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Default A team got caught cheating in Columbia

by using openly using a propane torch to glaze their brisket. They were turned in by another team (witnessed by several people). Based on the posted scores no action was taken, even though the rep indicated to the party that turned them in, that action was being taken. WTF???
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damn, with that I dont know who to hold more responsible, the team for doing it, or, the reps for not taking the appropriate course of actions.
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damn, with that I dont know who to hold more responsible, the team for doing it, or, the reps for not taking the appropriate course of actions.
I hear ya. I'm not going to blame anyone for my poor performace except me, but..........
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That is not right, and the Reps were wrong to condone that activity. Should be banned for a year
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Does anyone know this team? Are they newbies and it was a mistake or was it someone taking shortcuts?

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Seriously? For real?

I guess if they tried to set the glaze with wooden kitchen matches, that would be legal.
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by using openly using a propane torch to glaze their brisket. They were turned in by another team (witnessed by several people). Based on the posted scores no action was taken, even though the rep indicated to the party that turned them in, that action was being taken. WTF???
If nothing happened they didn't get caught, did they?

While I, like almost everyone else that reads this, have no information or knowledge of the events, there are a few basic things wrong,

No representitive should ever make a statement about something like that during the event, it's no ones business, nor their job in my opinion to explain actions taken or not taken after the infraction was called to their attention. The reps should have just given the team a DQ and let the team explain why or what their side is when it hits the fan if it was warrented.
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I did not know about this. WTF - no action was taken. That really makes me mad. There are a lot of teams who play by the rules, and this is allowed. I think there needs to be an investigation in the REP.
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To clear a couple things up;

A team that all of us MOFO's know very well witnessed it and reported it. I have no axe to grind with anyone, especially the offending party, but, you cheat, you lose, period! Shortcut??? It was a PROPANE torch. Illegal.

I'm not going to mention team names in this open forum. I have e-mailed KCBS merely asking them to look into it and clear the air.
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That is not right, and the Reps were wrong to condone that activity. Should be banned for a year

Who should be banned, the reps or the team, or...?

CAUSES FOR DISQUALIFICATION & EVICTION

H. Use of gas or other auxiliary heat sources inside the
cooking device.


Violation of any of the KCBS Cook’s Rules (above,

save and except #9 – 13).
Excessive or continued complaints from teams on any of the
above rule infractions shall be considered grounds for
immediate disqualification from the contest by KCBS
Representatives, Organizers and/or Security.
In addition, any violation of the above rules shall be
reported to the KCBS Board of Directors who may in
addition to the above disqualification impose additional
penalties upon the team, the head cook, and its members
including but not limited to disqualification from
competing in KCBS events for a period of time not to

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Who should be banned, the reps or the team, or...?

CAUSES FOR DISQUALIFICATION & EVICTION
H. Use of gas or other auxiliary heat sources inside the cooking device.



Violation of any of the KCBS Cook’s Rules (above,

save and except #9 – 13).

Excessive or continued complaints from teams on any of the

above rule infractions shall be considered grounds for

immediate disqualification from the contest by KCBS
Representatives, Organizers and/or Security.
In addition, any violation of the above rules shall be
reported to the KCBS Board of Directors who may in
addition to the above disqualification impose additional
penalties upon the team, the head cook, and its members
including but not limited to disqualification from
competing in KCBS events for a period of time not to





exceed five years
Ummm - I don't practice law, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last week. To be disqualified per the section quoted above, it sounds like the gas or other heating device would have had to be used inside the cooker. If you had the brisket on a picnic table and hit them with a torch would disqualification be the proper result based on what's provided above.

If they did use the torch outside the smoker I think the applicable rule would be -

5. Fires shall be of wood, wood pellets or charcoal. Gas and electric heat sources shall not be permitted for cooking or holding. Need to use this rule with CAUSES FOR DISQUALIFICATION & EVICTION, I. Violation of any of the KCBS Cook’s Rules (above, save and except #9 – 13) to get you were you want to be.

and always remember - 1. The decision and interpretations of the KCBS Rules and Regulations are at the discretion of the KCBS Contest Representatives at the contest. Their decisions andinterpretations are final.

Guess we will have to wait and see how this plays-out.
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As a cook, judge, and bbq taste lover, WHY would anyone want to add the taste of burnt propane to their turn-in? Do they really think good judges wouldn't detect it? Naive and dumb strategy. Reps and teams needs to be addressed very harshly if the rules were broken that blatantly. Steve.
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Ummm - I don't practice law, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last week. To be disqualified per the section quoted above, it sounds like the gas or other heating device would have had to be used inside the cooker. If you had the brisket on a picnic table and hit them with a torch would disqualification be the proper result based on what's provided above.

If they did use the torch outside the smoker I think the applicable rule would be -

5. Fires shall be of wood, wood pellets or charcoal. Gas and electric heat sources shall not be permitted for cooking or holding. Need to use this rule with CAUSES FOR DISQUALIFICATION & EVICTION, I. Violation of any of the KCBS Cook’s Rules (above, save and except #9 – 13) to get you were you want to be.

and always remember - 1. The decision and interpretations of the KCBS Rules and Regulations are at the discretion of the KCBS Contest Representatives at the contest. Their decisions andinterpretations are final.

Guess we will have to wait and see how this plays-out.

Good points, I dont know! Seems to me nither would apply. Could one argue it is already cooked, so gas was not used for either?
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It sounds to me like someone came up with a way around a rule that needs to have further stipulations added.

They could easily argue that the torch had no cooking effect on the meat, it only was used to set the glaze. That portion could be considered a cooking process just as easily as it could be argued it wasn't.
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I would think the reps would of had to catch them in the act in person.
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