Bigmista's Brisket Appearance

Bigmista · 10-21-2007, 09:02 AM

Judges, how would you score this brisket and why?

bbqbull · 10-21-2007, 09:12 AM

Neil, Im not a trained judge.
All I can say is pass me the bread. Another great job!

Pig Headed · 10-21-2007, 09:34 AM

Neil, I have to give you a 7. While the brisket looks good, the upper most piece is longer and bending down and the lowest one is a bit long on the lower right end. I think you could even them up a bit more.
It looks nice and juicy and has a nice smoke ring.

ThomEmery · 10-21-2007, 09:36 AM

YUM Is all I could say

lwest99 · 10-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Mista I think I agree with Ron. It looks like the slices had to be curled over to fit in the box. You could either cut the brisket to box size before you cook it (allow for shrinkage). Or you could just trim off one end.

Great smoke ring and it looks very moist.

Pig Headed · 10-21-2007, 10:12 AM

Neil, when our slices are too long to fit sideways, we put them in diagonally.

Ford · 10-21-2007, 10:23 AM

looks like you may have some burnt ends or chunks at the back to make the slices stand up and fan. Makes it look odd. Agree with comments on bending slices.

Garnish is not very good and while it's a meat contest the first overall impression is what you see in the box. I see a bunch of lettuce up front covering the first slice. That top slice neeeds to be in full view and needs to glisten. That's what the small paint brushes are for in our presentation boxes. If you take a competition class (Mike D., Rod, Trigg, etc. they show you their presentation boxes and all I can say is they sure are Kodak moments.

Sauce application to slices is good except for some ends. I'm guessing maybe you used hands to put in the box and rubbed off a little sauce and didn't go back and touch up. For brisket allow 2 minutes just to do little touch ups so everything is uniform and glistens.

Meat looks very well cooked and I'd be happy to sample a slcie as a judge.

swamprb · 10-21-2007, 10:35 AM

Neil-What were the Brisket scores?

Ron_L · 10-21-2007, 10:40 AM

I'm in for a 7 also. The garnish isn't even all around, but that wouldn't make me knock it down by itself, but it is a contributing factor. The meat should have been trimmed to fit or pu in on an angle like Pig Headed's box. Also, It's a picture so my opinion would probably be different in person, but it doesn't scream "eat me" to me. The slices look kind of flat (no shine) and the burnt ends look dry. That's probably the picture, however.

What were your appearance scores, Mista?

Pig Headed, what were your scores for your box? I like the shine on the bark but the chunks front and back look a little out of place. The slices do make me want to grab one, however. Probably an 8, maybe a 9 in person.

Nitrofly · 10-21-2007, 10:54 AM

Box is not as neat as it should be.
you need to trim your brisket to fit in the
box. are you burnt ends there for the Judges
to eat or are they just a prop to hold your
slices up?? plus the part of some of your
slices that you made turn the corner is just
fat sticking up.. Most judges don't find fat
appealing.. I still would love to taste your
brisket looks moist and tasty.

Pig Headed · 10-21-2007, 11:07 AM

Pig Headed, what were your scores for your box? I like the shine on the bark but the chunks front and back look a little out of place. The slices do make me want to grab one, however. Probably an 8, maybe a 9 in person.[/quote]

The box was from Dover this weekend. Got 8's and 9's in appearence. First time we used the chunks in a box. I just thought there was too much empty space in front and back of the slices. Wish the rest of the scores were as good. Mostly 7's in taste.

ModelMaker · 10-21-2007, 12:37 PM

Mista, nice lookin meat for the most part. Even up your greens, slices are just too darn big, try trimming to desired size pre cook maybe loose some of that fat. Personaly fat is a part of that piece of meat and it doesn't bother me but I hear other judges not quite as ok with it as me. Looks moist and tasty.
Score 7.5 pry would write down a 7 just because of the ends of the slices.

Ron, 7 for yours, slices are too thin but look real nice. Those pieces in front , are there 6 or 12 if 12 then you just stacked some cut up slices not near as appealing as chunks. And chunks should not be perfect squares of meat!
Of course nothing a nice fresh bun would't fix!!!
ModelMaker

The_Kapn · 10-21-2007, 02:03 PM

Neil,

7(ish) from me--Sorry.

Like everyone has said, attention to detail gets the biggo scores.

TIM

bbqjoe · 10-21-2007, 02:26 PM

Wow!
What a tough crowd!

I am a little concerned with the ladybug on the lettuce.

Bentley · 10-21-2007, 02:29 PM

I would give it a 7. I am posting this before reading everyone comments so I will be curious if anyone else votes like me and gives some feed back. The meat looks very inviting, but it looks crowded in the box. I like the garnish, but I would also put some parsley to accent it. As a CBJ, I sometimes struggle with appearence, I am told it is a "meat" contest but garnish is optional. Well if you are going to use garnish I want the team to try and go over the top! I am not sure if am way off base as a CBJ in this thinking? I will be very curious to see other responses.

Edit Mod: I see I am not as far off in my thinking as I thought!

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10-21-2007, 09:02 AM	#1
Bigmista somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 05-24-04 Location: Long Beach, CA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bigmista's Brisket Appearance Judges, how would you score this brisket and why? __________________ Wait! Bigmista wrote a cookbook? Exodus 29:18 Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ! Bigmista Custom Spicewine Trailer - Olivia J. PIMA Large and Medium Spicewines Weber Ranch Kettle - E.T. Remembering Scott

10-21-2007, 09:12 AM	#2
bbqbull Moderator Join Date: 12-27-05 Location: Mid Michigan Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Neil, Im not a trained judge. All I can say is pass me the bread. Another great job! __________________ You have never really lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you. KC I miss your advice. Heavily medicated for your protection. Klose Mobile Pit Klose Owners Reccomended Pit Cookshack Smokette Gasser Little Chief Smoker Large BGE Gifted to me my Pit Barrel Smoker

10-21-2007, 09:34 AM	#3
Pig Headed Babbling Farker Join Date: 06-15-06 Location: Middletown, DE Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Neil, I have to give you a 7. While the brisket looks good, the upper most piece is longer and bending down and the lowest one is a bit long on the lower right end. I think you could even them up a bit more. It looks nice and juicy and has a nice smoke ring. __________________ Ron Pigheaded BBQ Team www.pigheadedbbq.com KCBS CBJ Stumps Stretch (Raquel) Eagles Green. 1 -22" Weber WSM, 1 - 18"Weber WSM's 2 - 22" kettles 6x12 Haulmark Trailer

10-21-2007, 09:36 AM	#4
ThomEmery Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-20-05 Location: Indio Ca. Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	YUM Is all I could say __________________ Catering, Contests, and Community Service http://bbqthom.ning.com/video/our-wells-cargo-trailer Serving Jesus and great BBQ :) Team What Wood Jesus Q?

10-21-2007, 10:02 AM	#5
lwest99 On the road to being a farker Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Lenexa, KS Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mista I think I agree with Ron. It looks like the slices had to be curled over to fit in the box. You could either cut the brisket to box size before you cook it (allow for shrinkage). Or you could just trim off one end. Great smoke ring and it looks very moist. __________________ Lee West [B][URL="http://www.thepickledpig.com"]The Pickled Pig[/URL][/B] Lenexa, KS :icon_cool

10-21-2007, 10:23 AM	#7
Ford is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 04-14-07 Location: Lakeland Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	looks like you may have some burnt ends or chunks at the back to make the slices stand up and fan. Makes it look odd. Agree with comments on bending slices. Garnish is not very good and while it's a meat contest the first overall impression is what you see in the box. I see a bunch of lettuce up front covering the first slice. That top slice neeeds to be in full view and needs to glisten. That's what the small paint brushes are for in our presentation boxes. If you take a competition class (Mike D., Rod, Trigg, etc. they show you their presentation boxes and all I can say is they sure are Kodak moments. Sauce application to slices is good except for some ends. I'm guessing maybe you used hands to put in the box and rubbed off a little sauce and didn't go back and touch up. For brisket allow 2 minutes just to do little touch ups so everything is uniform and glistens. Meat looks very well cooked and I'd be happy to sample a slcie as a judge. __________________ Ford Owner/Head Cook/Chief Bottle Washer for Great Lakes BBQ & Feed Competition BBQ Team FBA Member, KCBS Member & KCBS Certified BBQ Judge Spicewine medium, weber kettle, gas grill

10-21-2007, 10:35 AM	#8
swamprb somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-27-06 Location: Bothell WA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Neil-What were the Brisket scores? __________________ Brian - Left Hand Smoke BBQ PNWBA 2010 Team of the Year BGE's/WSM's/BWS Gater/BDS Clones/Weber Performer w EZ-Que/Cajun Bandit/Rib-O-Lator Test Pilot/La Caja China/BBQ Guru/Weber 1000 RK Drum Coffee Roaster Follow Left Hand Smoke on Facebook!http://www.facebook.com/pages/Left-H...462391?sk=wall KCBS CBJ/PNWBA CBJ www.pnwba.com

10-21-2007, 10:40 AM	#9
Ron_L Moderator Join Date: 12-09-04 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm in for a 7 also. The garnish isn't even all around, but that wouldn't make me knock it down by itself, but it is a contributing factor. The meat should have been trimmed to fit or pu in on an angle like Pig Headed's box. Also, It's a picture so my opinion would probably be different in person, but it doesn't scream "eat me" to me. The slices look kind of flat (no shine) and the burnt ends look dry. That's probably the picture, however. What were your appearance scores, Mista? Pig Headed, what were your scores for your box? I like the shine on the bark but the chunks front and back look a little out of place. The slices do make me want to grab one, however. Probably an 8, maybe a 9 in person. __________________ "Ron Rico, Boss. You can call me Captain Ron..." Save The Fatty! FEC-100/BWS Party/Memphis Pro SS/PBC/LBGE X 2/SBGE/Mini BGE/Nomad Pellet-matic/Good-One Model 42/WSM X 2/Cookshack Smokette 008/Weber Performer/Weber Gasser/Weber Kettle X 2/Weber Smokey Joe/WGA/UDS/Coffee Roasting Gasser and a pickle Remembering a friend

10-21-2007, 10:54 AM	#10
Nitrofly is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 09-27-06 Location: Worcester mass Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seven in apperance Box is not as neat as it should be. you need to trim your brisket to fit in the box. are you burnt ends there for the Judges to eat or are they just a prop to hold your slices up?? plus the part of some of your slices that you made turn the corner is just fat sticking up.. Most judges don't find fat appealing.. I still would love to taste your brisket looks moist and tasty. __________________ Sully lunchmeat BBQ team KCBS Certified BBQ Judge New England Barbecue Society Board of Directors BAAAHHHBEQUE !!! 2 WSM more of a good thing Brinkman offset Backwoods competitor Weber Performer 22' weber kettle w/rottiserie 17" table top weber kettle & weber smokey joe.

10-21-2007, 11:07 AM	#11
Pig Headed Babbling Farker Join Date: 06-15-06 Location: Middletown, DE Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Pig Headed, what were your scores for your box? I like the shine on the bark but the chunks front and back look a little out of place. The slices do make me want to grab one, however. Probably an 8, maybe a 9 in person.[/quote] The box was from Dover this weekend. Got 8's and 9's in appearence. First time we used the chunks in a box. I just thought there was too much empty space in front and back of the slices. Wish the rest of the scores were as good. Mostly 7's in taste. __________________ Ron Pigheaded BBQ Team www.pigheadedbbq.com KCBS CBJ Stumps Stretch (Raquel) Eagles Green. 1 -22" Weber WSM, 1 - 18"Weber WSM's 2 - 22" kettles 6x12 Haulmark Trailer

10-21-2007, 12:37 PM	#12
ModelMaker is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 04-21-06 Location: Lake Ponderosa-Montezuma, IA Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Mista, nice lookin meat for the most part. Even up your greens, slices are just too darn big, try trimming to desired size pre cook maybe loose some of that fat. Personaly fat is a part of that piece of meat and it doesn't bother me but I hear other judges not quite as ok with it as me. Looks moist and tasty. Score 7.5 pry would write down a 7 just because of the ends of the slices. Ron, 7 for yours, slices are too thin but look real nice. Those pieces in front , are there 6 or 12 if 12 then you just stacked some cut up slices not near as appealing as chunks. And chunks should not be perfect squares of meat! Of course nothing a nice fresh bun would't fix!!! ModelMaker __________________ Designer of a custom drum smoker Customized Aussie gas passer Turkey fryer Extremely seasoned hand hammered Wok Pit Boss-HART BURN Competition BBQ Team KCBS certified judge And Your not the boss of me either!!

10-21-2007, 02:03 PM	#13
The_Kapn Moderator Emeritus Join Date: 04-08-04 Location: Marianna, FL Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Neil, 7(ish) from me--Sorry. Like everyone has said, attention to detail gets the biggo scores. TIM __________________ "Flirtin' with Disaster" BBQ Team (RETIRED) FBA and KCBS Cook and Judge. Former owner of a WSM, a Smokey Joe, a Charbroil Commercial gasser (junk), and the legendary "StudeDera". Now cooking with a FEC100, a Traeger Lil' Tex, and a Fast Eddy PG500 Proud Pellet guy cooking on real wood.

10-21-2007, 02:26 PM	#14
bbqjoe Banned Join Date: 01-16-06 Location: Wikieup Arizona Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wow! What a tough crowd! I am a little concerned with the ladybug on the lettuce.

10-21-2007, 02:29 PM	#15
Bentley Babbling Farker Join Date: 03-14-07 Location: Eden After the Fall Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would give it a 7. I am posting this before reading everyone comments so I will be curious if anyone else votes like me and gives some feed back. The meat looks very inviting, but it looks crowded in the box. I like the garnish, but I would also put some parsley to accent it. As a CBJ, I sometimes struggle with appearence, I am told it is a "meat" contest but garnish is optional. Well if you are going to use garnish I want the team to try and go over the top! I am not sure if am way off base as a CBJ in this thinking? I will be very curious to see other responses. Edit Mod: I see I am not as far off in my thinking as I thought! __________________ Certified Master Judge #5382 What is best in life? "To crush your BBQ opponents, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."

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