New infor on KCBS contest listing

Merl · 03-08-2008, 04:22 PM

KCBS is in the process of including additional information on the contest database.

When KCBS receives the guaranteed prize money letter, that amount is published on the web and in the Bullsheet for contest listings.

In addition the percentage of CBJ's from last year is being posted as well.

The purpose of this information is to help cooks and CBJ's choose which contest they desire to compete or participate at. I hope you will find these and other web updates beneficial to you as cooks, CBJ's and organizers.

WWW.KCBS.US
Yours in Q
Merl Whitebook

Plowboy · 03-08-2008, 04:35 PM

I like that, Merl.

we'll smoke u · 03-08-2008, 05:09 PM

Merl keep up the great work!!!

arlieque · 03-08-2008, 05:51 PM

This may get KCBS in some trouble, I feel. I have looked at the posted info and I feel this should read Prize Package, not prize money!!!!

Arlie

ThomEmery · 03-08-2008, 08:38 PM

Good point

Merl · 03-08-2008, 10:05 PM

The reason for the post in that way, is that KCBS requires a letter guaranteeing the prize money. Yes they do make the organizer to deliver prizes as advertises. But it is the Money when we have pulled sanctioning when changed. This has been the problem area. In addition it is a black hole to determine the value of prizes. Retail, list, wholesale, or what.

The sanctioning agreement provides:

4. Within 90 days of the contest date, I agree to submit to KCBS a list of
all prize monies and a letter guaranteeing payment of said money.
5. Guarantee and pay prize monies as published/advertised to at least 5
places plus a Reserve Grand Champion and Grand Champion.
This amount may not be reduced after sanctioning and advertising.

I agree it is important for users of the web to understand the difference.

The web listing is based upon the letter guaranteeing payment of money.

Merl

arlieque · 03-09-2008, 09:18 AM

I understand all that as you know but lets face it a letter doesnt mean a thing. It is just a piece of paper and all it does is give KCBS a out to tell the teams , "Well we have a letter that guarantees that the contest has said it will pay." Can they make them pay if they don't?

FatBoyz · 03-09-2008, 09:24 AM

why is kcbs making harded for comps 25 for non member teams hell if i sactioned mine it would cost me 800 why, there are programs out there to score.
I do not mean any disrespect

smoke-n-my-i's · 03-09-2008, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arlieque

I understand all that as you know but lets face it a letter doesnt mean a thing. It is just a piece of paper and all it does is give KCBS a out to tell the teams , "Well we have a letter that guarantees that the contest has said it will pay." Can they make them pay if they don't?

My very first comp ended up that way.... they advertised paying through 10th place.... about a week before the event, we got an email saying that they were only going to pay through 3rd place, and if we wanted to drop out we could. We opted to stay. After arriving and setting up, we found out that the sanctioning had been pulled.... It took them over a month to pay the winners, and the GC had to work out a deal to get his.

So, the letter doesn't mean anything, like Arlie says.... just a piece of paper with words on it.

arlieque · 03-09-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoke-n-my-i's

My very first comp ended up that way.... they advertised paying through 10th place.... about a week before the event, we got an email saying that they were only going to pay through 3rd place, and if we wanted to drop out we could. We opted to stay. After arriving and setting up, we found out that the sanctioning had been pulled.... It took them over a month to pay the winners, and the GC had to work out a deal to get his.

So, the letter doesn't mean anything, like Arlie says.... just a piece of paper with words on it.

There is a way to do it but it requires some work on the part of KCBS.

drbbq · 03-09-2008, 07:45 PM

I think it's great Merl. Thanks.
The cash is the right way to list it. This will keep contest organizers from inflating their number with overvalued prizes.

Neal · 03-09-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drbbq

The cash is the right way to list it. This will keep contest organizers from inflating their number with overvalued prizes.

Agreed...been in some contests where a larger purse is advertised, but when you add up the money, it includes an overvalued (sometimes not-so-great) cooker and/or other items that really don't interest me as much as the money.

drbbq · 03-10-2008, 10:45 AM

Wanna buy an electric turkey fryer or a knife set? NIB.

Neal · 03-10-2008, 02:06 PM

Suggested retail value: $150!

03-08-2008, 04:22 PM	#1
Merl Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-13-06 Location: Tulsa, Ok Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	New infor on KCBS contest listing KCBS is in the process of including additional information on the contest database. When KCBS receives the guaranteed prize money letter, that amount is published on the web and in the Bullsheet for contest listings. In addition the percentage of CBJ's from last year is being posted as well. The purpose of this information is to help cooks and CBJ's choose which contest they desire to compete or participate at. I hope you will find these and other web updates beneficial to you as cooks, CBJ's and organizers. WWW.KCBS.US Yours in Q Merl Whitebook

03-08-2008, 04:35 PM	#2
Plowboy somebody shut me the fark up. Join Date: 10-09-06 Location: Blue Springs, MO Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I like that, Merl. __________________ Pork Pullin Plowboys (and Smoke on Wheels) Save a hog, ride a plowboy! www.plowboysbbq.com Todd Johns (me); Blue Springs, MO Randy Hinck (PigBoy); Concordia, MO Andy Groneman (Hodedo); KC, KS (Cameo Appearances) FEC-500SS; FEC-100 (Right handed); FEC-100 (Left handed); Country Smoker Tailgater; Big Green Egg (2-large, small, mini); Cookshack Pellet Fired Charbroiler

03-08-2008, 05:09 PM	#3
we'll smoke u is Blowin Smoke! Join Date: 07-21-06 Location: Valley, Nebraska Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Merl keep up the great work!!! __________________ Scott Burke www.wellsmokeubbq.com www.operationbbqmw.org KCBS MEMBER #24303 COUNTRY SMOKER 570 PELLET FEEDER ONE SMALL HOME MADE VERTICAL WEBER KETTLE GOLD 221/2 WEBER BABYQ

03-08-2008, 08:38 PM	#5
ThomEmery Babbling Farker Join Date: 08-20-05 Location: Indio Ca. Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Good point __________________ Catering, Contests, and Community Service http://bbqthom.ning.com/video/our-wells-cargo-trailer Serving Jesus and great BBQ :) Team What Wood Jesus Q?

03-09-2008, 09:24 AM	#8
FatBoyz is one Smokin' Farker Join Date: 09-16-07 Location: Mukwonago, Wi Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	why is kcbs making harded for comps 25 for non member teams hell if i sactioned mine it would cost me 800 why, there are programs out there to score. I do not mean any disrespect __________________ i feel i should say something profound .... so drink up the beers getting cold

03-08-2008, 05:51 PM	#4
arlieque Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-11-04 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This may get KCBS in some trouble, I feel. I have looked at the posted info and I feel this should read Prize Package, not prize money!!!! Arlie

03-08-2008, 10:05 PM	#6
Merl Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-13-06 Location: Tulsa, Ok Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The reason for the post in that way, is that KCBS requires a letter guaranteeing the prize money. Yes they do make the organizer to deliver prizes as advertises. But it is the Money when we have pulled sanctioning when changed. This has been the problem area. In addition it is a black hole to determine the value of prizes. Retail, list, wholesale, or what. The sanctioning agreement provides: 4. Within 90 days of the contest date, I agree to submit to KCBS a list of all prize monies and a letter guaranteeing payment of said money. 5. Guarantee and pay prize monies as published/advertised to at least 5 places plus a Reserve Grand Champion and Grand Champion. This amount may not be reduced after sanctioning and advertising. I agree it is important for users of the web to understand the difference. The web listing is based upon the letter guaranteeing payment of money. Merl

03-09-2008, 09:18 AM	#7
arlieque Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 08-11-04 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I understand all that as you know but lets face it a letter doesnt mean a thing. It is just a piece of paper and all it does is give KCBS a out to tell the teams , "Well we have a letter that guarantees that the contest has said it will pay." Can they make them pay if they don't?

03-09-2008, 07:45 PM	#11
drbbq is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-26-04 Location: Saint Petersburg, Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think it's great Merl. Thanks. The cash is the right way to list it. This will keep contest organizers from inflating their number with overvalued prizes. __________________ Ray Lampe Dr. BBQ The Honey Badger of BBQ. I just don't give a sh!t.

03-10-2008, 10:45 AM	#13
drbbq is One Chatty Farker Join Date: 10-26-04 Location: Saint Petersburg, Florida Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wanna buy an electric turkey fryer or a knife set? NIB. __________________ Ray Lampe Dr. BBQ The Honey Badger of BBQ. I just don't give a sh!t.

03-10-2008, 02:06 PM	#14
Neal Full Fledged Farker Join Date: 03-31-06 Location: Kansas City Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Suggested retail value: $150! __________________ Neal *Dodge County Smokers* KCBS CBJ *www.dodgecountysmokers.com* Custom Built Cooker / Weber Kettle /old New Braunfels offset in the backyard

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