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Old 12-26-2007, 01:30 PM   #1
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Default KCBS TOY Calculations

What are your thoughts on the new KCBS Team of the Year Calculations?

Every team at a contest will receive points, even the last place team. Additionally, every team participating in a contest will be awarded bonus points based on the number of teams at an event, up to a maximum of 100. There are no double and triple points, only the bonus points based on the number teams competing at each event. While teams will still be rewarded for doing well in large contests, this system helps to bridge the gap between the smaller and larger events, rewarding teams for their consistency on the competition circuit regardless of event size.

The following is a breakdown of the points awarded at each event to each placement. Take for example the third place overall finisher at a 47-team event. The team will receive 200 points plus 47 bonus points based on the number of teams competing, for a total of 247.


1st---250
2nd---225
3rd---200
4th---175
5th---150
6th---140
7th---130
8th---120
9th---110
10th--100
11th--95
12th--90
13th--85
14th--80
15th--75
16th--70
17th--65
18th--60
19th--50
20th--45
21st--40
22nd--35
23rd--30
24th and down--25
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Old 12-26-2007, 02:55 PM   #2
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Thanks for posting this Wayne. Hadn't seen this yet. I think its a good step forward. Would like to see it capped at 5 contests like the current system. A cap means that everyone has a fighting chance, not just those that do 42 contests in a year.

I wonder if it will change the end result. Will the top 10 be the same with both old and new systems. Would be good if KCBS could show how the new system would have changed things for 2007.
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The new system look to be capped at 10 contests. It would be interesting to see how this would have worked out for 2007 but that would be a huge task to back a calculate.
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We redid the CBBQA ToY this year
Top 50% Score Points
Points are based on number of teams
43 teams 43 points for the GC
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Thom, do you have to be a member of the CBBQA to get points?
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Yes You cant win the contest without being a member
But a non member would count in the example of 43 teams
just not score points for themselves
Some events charge $200 for CBBQA members $236 with out and buy you a new membership

Almost everyone that cooks more than one event a year is a member here

Contest is based on your best 5 scores
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The Board was informed that there was little change if we used 10 or 5 scores. I would use 5 for the categories. The Board felt that TOY and the Categories were for those who compete. While I agree the chance of a team whom only competes 5 times a year against those who cook 20 a year are remote, I always enjoy seeing the underdog have a chance. I wanted to preseve that chance for the little guy.


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I'm trying to digest the math a bit... Is this correct ?

A team that places 22nd out of 25 teams gets 25 points + 22 points = 47 points total.
A team that places 44th out of 50 teams gets 25 points + 50 points = 75 points total.
A team that places 88th out of 100 gets 25 points + 100 points = 125 points total


Merl - Thanks for your work. Seems like you have a good pulse of whats out there.
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I'm trying to digest the math a bit...

Is this correct ?

A team that places 44th out of 50 teams gets 44 points.
A team that places 22nd out of 25 teams gets 22 points
A team that places 88th out of 100 gets 88 points ??

I am not sure which system your talking about
Sorry if you were talking the other
CBBQA if your 20th at a 55 team Cook Off
you get 55 minus 20 is 35 points

say your 13 at a 26 team C/O
You get 13 points
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Thanks Tom but I was referring to KCBS new system. I'm sure it will all work OK, but seems odd in some ways to grant any points to truly poor performances ... Why get any ?

I would really be interested in finding out more about the average, median, mode # of contests per team to see how that stacks up vs. the 5 or 10 contests needed to qualify for TOY.

Changing to 10 may not change the top teams but it does narrow the field considerably to at least even be acknowledged or provide insight for a team on where they stand overall. I know it's not Merl's words " for those who compete" but I'm just curious how they arrived at 10 as the new minimum #.

To make any educated decision, I would hope the BOD really has their pulse on how many the average KCBS team does rather than cater to the select who push 15-30 a year. Then the # could be re-evaluated each year based on previous year metrics on avg. participation by the core KCBS team. The best teams stand out either way but at least more get some idea of where they are in the bigger picture.
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As I think we have seen in the past people like to see their names on rankings. If this is a "hard core" only competition award system, seems the backyard, occasional competitor is out of the loop, out of the loop and make people feel less inclined to be interested and then the relativity of the KCBS to the backyard, occasional competitor, rapidly declines. we should know what happens when an organization ceases to be relative to the masses of it members. Don't ask how I know. But any new system should work to expand recognition and not to exclude more. Scott
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As I think we have seen in the past people like to see their names on rankings. If this is a "hard core" only competition award system, seems the backyard, occasional competitor is out of the loop, out of the loop and make people feel less inclined to be interested and then the relativity of the KCBS to the backyard, occasional competitor, rapidly declines. we should know what happens when an organization ceases to be relative to the masses of it members. Don't ask how I know. But any new system should work to expand recognition and not to exclude more. Scott

Well said Scott. That's what I was trying to say.
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I'm trying to digest the math a bit... Is this correct ?

A team that places 22nd out of 25 teams gets 25 points + 22 points = 47 points total.
A team that places 44th out of 50 teams gets 25 points + 50 points = 75 points total.
A team that places 88th out of 100 gets 25 points + 100 points = 125 points total


Merl - Thanks for your work. Seems like you have a good pulse of whats out there.
If your math is correct, it seems like this system is more about large contests than even the number of contests you attend. If I attend the Royal and GAB, that gives me about 200 just in attendance points. Kinda hard to beat if stick mainly to the NE, for example.

<Sorry, I've edited this as I didn't see the cap was 100 for attendance points.>

Still, the system does add more weight than ever to bigger contests. That's probably a good thing. The top end reward was 50 teams. Now you get more points for competing in up to 100 teams. We'll have over 360 points next year in just 4 of our contests.
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If your math is correct, it seems like this system is more about large contests than even the number of contests you attend. If I attend the Royal and GAB, that gives me about 800 just in attendance points. Kinda hard to beat if stick mainly to the NE, for example.

Todd - If I read Wayne's post correctly, for either of these two contests (assuming a min of 100 teams for GAB) attendance points are capped at 100.

So a last place finish at a 100+ team (or 500 is AR Open is KCBS sanctioned) event would score 125 (100+25) which using these same rules is equal to a team placing 12th at a 35 team contest (90+35). That seems very weird but admittedly the exception to the rule so to speak.
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Yup, saw my mistake. This is taking a bit to digest.

I can say that I would have liked to have had this system in place in 2007... for totally selfish reasons. We had ten top 10 pork calls (well, 9 I guess... one was a non sanctioned state championship) out of 13 contests where pork was a category. Only half of our calls were top 5. So we did well from a TOY stand point, but not well enough. Sure would have liked a few points in the 6's, 7's, and 8's that we got.
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